7650 = phone + fun camera
9210 = phone + business tool
P800 = phone + fun camera + MP3 player + document viewer
Memory OVER
[quote="ebo"]
My 7650 just came back from one week's maintenance after the phone's memory had filled. I didn't get it back working, it was reporting "Memory Full" and its OS didn't load anymore.
This happened after I had received two SMS messages in short period. The phone did not warn that it was running out of memory so I was totally surprised when it crashed like MS Windows 3.11 in the old days.
The phone wasn't even repaired, so I got a whole new phone. I sure wish there was more memory even for a smartphone and of course better memory management so that this kind of problems would not occur again.
For 7650 owners: Be warned! Don't let your phone's memory run out. And make those backups! I finally managed to restore a few weeks old backup from PC Suite today after a few hours work since the PC Suite first reported that the backup files were corrupt.
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That's bad - the Nokia 7650 is undoubtedly lacking in the memory department, it doesn't take much to fill it up. Its interestign to hear your experience with memory problems.
It does open an interesting question though - how much memory would be enough? How much would you want to see on the 7650i and would you want a SD / MMC slot?
Rafe
[quote="Zuber"]I just can't understand why Nokia can come up with devices which are "potentially" fantastic, and then restrict that potential by limiting the memory capacity.[/quote]
I believe this is a strategic choice. If I've interpreted correctly, Nokia sees the 7650 specifically as an imaging phone. If you ask them about the small memory, they will most likely answer that "you can store over 60 pictures or more with the best quality settings" or something like that.
I don't think Nokia wants that businessnen and other professionals buy the 7650 instead of the Communicator which is still the flagship of their product line. So there have to be limitations in the 7650 too. The ideal phone of users' wildest dreams doesn't necessarily mean the best profits and sales in total for Nokia -- especially if we talk about needs of a small minority of customers.
Nokia seems to see the 7650 as the elite league of MMS phones. MMS is not just a feature, but it's a big part of mobile telephone maker's future strategies and income estimations. They want people to buy new phones (in different price ranges starting from the lowest price phones) and send MMS messages.
But then again for tech-enthusiasts like me and many of us here, the whole MMS issue seems pretty useless since I rather use standard email anyway. I strongly believe most of us see the 7650 from a totally different point of view than Nokia and most customers. Large audiences aren't likely to install their phones full of Java applications - it's merely a bonus feature for people like us here.
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When it comes to memory leaking issues and other software problems, I think that a significant role is played by the fact that each Nokia phone is a separate project or several projects.
For many times we've seen steps forward and backward with new models. Often these feel pretty irrational, but if you think that there have been separate teams working with different phones at the same and that these are not necessarily shipped at the same time, this all makes sort of sense.
Communicator 9210 is based on an older Symbian OS version than the 7650. The graphical user interface is totally different too, and so are those keypad controls. I wouldn't be so sure that they have been able to build the 7650 based on the Communicator. This could explain why we are seeing memory problems again.
And please remember that I'm just making my own wild assumptions. 😊
Tero
ebo, you're definitely right.
imho, nokia did want to be ahead of sonyericsson's p800, with 7650. and a few months later, after p800 come out, nokia will release a mmc/sd epuipped version of 7650..
waht do you think..? do you think nokia will replace ours when such a model come out, or will nokia make the hardware modification..?
if not, i'll feel myself fooled!!!
..just wondering what the fuzz is all about. Don't they say Nokia is the 'Mercedes' of mobile phones. Well, that's exactly what I feel when holding a Nokia phone or a SonyEricsson 'toy-phone'. 😃
nokia umm... not realy mercedez but BMW and
VERTU is realy a mercedez 😃 😃
btw i think as nokia conclude that 7650 is an imaging phone it's enough to to have 3.6 shared memory (i mean nokia not made 7650 for java apps specialist that hav a lot of memory)
and i wonder if the P800 will face the same problem with other ericsson phone slow input cos they will hav the recognition writing
...I see VERTU as being a 'Rolls-Royce', who needs the gold??? 8)
The 7650 is and does exactly what it was made for...focussing on Phone, MMS and GPRS. 3.6Mb available for having a collection of photos/messages , surely enough to fulfil this task.
The extras just come with the Symbian OS.
bout when we zooming in and out picture i think it realy takes a lot of memory cos with my laptop bfore i had a picture 1.4 megs and when i try to zoom in and out the dialog box "Run of memory" poped up
so this also is common problem when zomming in and out pictures
but who knows
just my 1.9999999 centx
nahh...
i need the gold if u wanna gimme the phone lol
yep i agree with ray about 7650 was made exactly for what it nokia want to make it as an imaging phone (without flashlight) lol
[quote="Ray"]...I see VERTU as being a 'Rolls-Royce', who needs the gold???[/quote]
The point is not who needs it, but who wants it and who can have it. Very many people can't afford it, so getting a Vertu phone is a status symbol. This is not very different from expensive sports cars.
Vertu phones are personalized for each customer so you don't have to worry that anyone else has a phone just like yours. And when you get for example a Vertu GPRS phone, it will be later upgraded to an 3G (UMTS) phone without extra costs. So you get an upgrade service too. If I recall right, Vertu phones' prices start from 6000 euros and the best ones cost over 25 000 euros.
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A few words more about smartphones. Many people have got excited about the 7650 for exanple because it's a Symbian OS smartphone, you can install applications, there's an POP3/IMAP4/SMTP email client, a calendar with synchronization and GPRS support so that you can use Internet connections with reasonable costs -- this is like a light version of the Communicator.
I think that Nokia sees the Communicator as the first and best choice for professionals and businessmen who want a phone close to a PDA. At the moment Communicator does not support Java applications and GPRS connections, but I think this will all change with the phone that still has project name Hilden. This is expected to be the next generation Communicator with GPRS support and many other improvements. There have been estimations that it would be released Q1/2003.
Then again project name Cameron is expected to be a Symbian OS smartphone like the 7650, but without a camera. It might also be a more PDA like smartphone with more memory and maybe a memory card, since there isn't the camera taking space and using battery. Or maybe it will just be a cheaper version of the 7650.
Tero
bout the hilden and cameron where did u hear it and is it nokia product or ....
ebo do u like ur 7650
[quote="Anonymous"]bout the hilden and cameron where did u hear it and is it nokia product or ....[/quote]
Hilden is rumoured to be the next generation Communicator and Cameron a Symbian OS smartphone without a camera, both from Nokia.
For example The Register had an article a long time ago about smartphones from different manufacturers - these are all more or less rumours:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/23512.html
ebo do u like ur 7650
There are pros and cons, but generally I'm satisfied. It's still far from perfect, but at the moment the best combination of a phone and a PDA. I'm also anxious to get my hands on the Sony Ericsson P800 as soon as it arrives.
Tero
Assuming it's slimmer than the 9210, Hilden is probably just whatI want. I can't wait around forever though, so I guess it's going to have to be a P800. That's assuming it doesn't end op being due in Q1 2003. At which point, I'll be going through the is hilden really due out Q1 posts :-?
Zuber
[quote="Rafe"][quote="ebo"]
My 7650 just came back from one week's maintenance after the phone's memory had filled. I didn't get it back working, it was reporting "Memory Full" and its OS didn't load anymore.
This happened after I had received two SMS messages in short period. The phone did not warn that it was running out of memory so I was totally surprised when it crashed like MS Windows 3.11 in the old days.
The phone wasn't even repaired, so I got a whole new phone. I sure wish there was more memory even for a smartphone and of course better memory management so that this kind of problems would not occur again.
For 7650 owners: Be warned! Don't let your phone's memory run out. And make those backups! I finally managed to restore a few weeks old backup from PC Suite today after a few hours work since the PC Suite first reported that the backup files were corrupt.
[/quote]
That's bad - the Nokia 7650 is undoubtedly lacking in the memory department, it doesn't take much to fill it up. Its interestign to hear your experience with memory problems.
It does open an interesting question though - how much memory would be enough? How much would you want to see on the 7650i and would you want a SD / MMC slot?
Rafe[/quote]
That (more memory) is definitely NOT the solution. By time you fill up every amount of memory with the same result. The solution would be allowing flushing the memory by yourself, perhaps with a key combination (Ctrl-Shft-F ?!?!?). As it seems to be this must be part of an OS update. Ergo - wait.
OTOH more memory would be not that bad, though :-?
Andy