TWO Faced moderators??

No actually raven it totally makes my point (phew just resisted the caps urge there)

just because I actually got it wrong doesnt mean I could not try it out does it??

Plenty of other people got it to work for them and too be honest
I very much doubt that the offical SE update service works perfectly for everyone (It will be the 1st time in software history if it does!

I like the way you highlight just one line from what i have said to try and make a rather pathetic point, ok I will quote from you

'It also makes most of your arguments crumble to pieces'

1. If it makes 'most' crumble which ones do not crumble?

2.How does having an update error make my arguments crumble when the process clearly worked for many other people?
3. Yes I know dvd ripping, own use etc blah blah is legal but the majority of it is done to rip stuff off please do not try to deny that basic fact

4.You have still not stated what is 'Illegal' about changing the CDA on your own phone, sure you may invalidate the warranty
but that is not breaking the law is it? Often when you buy a PC as soon as you open it to upgrade it you are breaking the warranty are you not??

Anyway you just go back to being a good little consumer with the rest of the sheep and do as you are told by Mr big Corporation and wait for ever for the �500 phone you bought to be upgraded to the latest software in about a year, keep watching their adverts, and the rest of us who don't take this crap lying down will be enjoying their new software and advert free phones

Basically people IMHO (I think thats allowed to be a caps isnt it?)come down to 2 types followers and doers
So its 2 choices
either
1.All the accepters carry on as before and ignore my ranting and raving enjoy your second rate software

2.All the doers take your phones down to your nearest SE centre
and get them to upgrade it for free to the latest software!!

Its as simple as that
😃 😃 😃 😃

Originally posted by spacedude
Its as simple as that

Bottom line:

• SE obviously does not condone the "hack"
• It may render your phone useless (you are the perfect example)
• You would most likely be breaking some clause in the contract you signed with your operator
• We do not condone it, because it may get us in trouble if your phone gets damaged, or the warranty gets invalidated by a "hack" found on this site
• Again, about the "legal" issue, I am not a lawyer and these things can be very complicated, but the firmware itself is copyrighted by Sony Ericsson, so I would think that tampering with it would in fact be illegal

And now SE have made sure that the "hack" can no longer be used with the update service, so why do you keep going on and on about this? If you can't accept the rules of this forum, and the moderators who enforce them, why don't you simply take your business elsewhere? You have already broken one rule over and over again;

Please treat other members as you would have them treat you. be respectful and courteous at all times. Do not be offensive or abusive. Please follow the basic rules of netiquette.

Think you sirs. Being that I do have a judge in the family I do know there is nothing illegal about my personal site. I don't post any prices or anything of that sort on the site. There is nothing that clearly states that I have "copied" the content and have intent to sell. Moreover, it clearly shows that some don't understand how content posted on the internet differs from individual governing state laws. So with that said, spacedude's point is baseless and in a court of law I know I could not be prosecuted. Hence, I've done my homework boys.

Spacedude, I hope you realize that your poorly stated and baseles examples appear shy of what would be partake in a 4th grade classroom argument. You would not be capable of winning any debates with that attitude. So you're way of out your league on this one pilgrim. 😉

Bigfeat you are implying by your cheesey reposte that you have sneaked round a few copyright laws i.e.

'nothing that clearly states that I have "copied the content'

'I don't post any prices'

what a sad sordid little way to make a living so its not illegal technically Your site that is.

Have you ever sold copyrighted material for profit??

Or would you rather not comment?

In fact I never actually said you did , I merely posed a question
your over defensive response leads me to believe that you feel you have to make an excuse for yourself?

I have made plenty of fairly reasonable arguments most of which have still not been answered though some attempt has at least been made to state why this forum will not discuss them
I also feel strongly about consumer rights, why should we put up with crap but thats just a personal opinion

Your pomposity continues to amuse me and merely saying words such as 'baseless' and 'out of your league' neither impress, cower or deter me you are merely a buffoon who runs a sad little website offering other peoples work for sale.Or do you give them
for free??. Your father must be so proud!!!
you come across like someone who failed a legal degree
(please do not bother to respond telling us/me how you got a 1st class degree from yale /Harvard, etc )

Raven
Of course SE would not condone what you call a 'hack' though the fact that their site has not been hacked leads me to dispute that definition

SE do not seem to mind going roughshod over other companies
branding, my experience is proof of that

I understand that you do not want to get in trouble and thats the first Honest answer i have heard from you so fair play to you

I am well aware that the SE service has been changed to prevent this happening but no doubt some enterprising soul will defeat it again and again , infact I think they have done so already by another means!!

Ban me if you wish im not really going to lose any sleep over it
like I said its not exactly up there with the worlds biggest problems , but at least it stirred up some healthy debate rather
than the same old boring crap that comes up in these forums over and over again.

Spacedude-

This really did start as my helping you. But I'm beginning to think you should be banned from here as Raven puts it. I think I just have a better way to get my point across then you without having to shout or use 3rd grade language. As to my site, I was not referring to you specifically. I just didn't understand why that was dragged into this thread. Raven didn't find any reason show that I was breaking forum rules and that's what all Mod decisions come down to.

What SE service point was this by the way? If you state that you were not bound by contract at the time of the firmware flash then why would that service center not perform service? That's what I mean by weak and baseless. Your choice of examples do not support your argument. You state that their flashing your phone was 'proof', but then again they flashed an SE phone which you state was not under contract. Therefore, they are holding their end of the manufacturer's warranty by performing a service. You really are not good at arguing. I've had more itelligent conversations with my 3 year old African Grey parrot. Maybe you had a few beers before you started your rant. If that's the case then I can understand the reason for your incoherent rants.

Bigfeat I neither requested or desired your help ok , what is it you do not understand about that?

I dont like your patronising attitude or your double standards.

One of the main points of my argument is about what is allowed and not allowed on this forum. For instance we cannot talk about something no one knows for a fact to be illegal yet we can talk quite openly about programmes that are capable of rippng off
copyrighted software, IMHO thats a double standard.
I await to see if we ever hear of anyone being prosecuted for changing the CDA on their own phone.

The SE service centre I used had no idea whether I was under contract to O2 (the carrier to whom my phone was branded) or not. They did not ask me and I did not tell them. I merely handed my phone in and told them it was not working properly and could they reflash it to the latest software and get rid of the O2 screens.(when the phone was the turned on (after it messed up)
the only thing that could be seen was the O2 screens!!) However they just flashed it for me anyway knowing full well it was an O2 branded phone.

I think its you who are not good at arguing maybe that Parrot of yours could teach you a few lessons in commonsense.I also find it quite amusing that you spelt 'INTELLIGENT' wrong!

I notice you also steered clear of answering any questions about your BIGFEAT (sorry for the caps but thought you might like the free advertising) sordid little enterprise where you sneak around selling off other peoples work, 'please contact the webmaster for details' wow what a sophisticated selling technique.

Do you sell copyrighted material for your own profit??

At least I come to this forum to have discussions and arguments not as a way to hawk my pathetic cheap ripped of warez to people with SE phones

If so I think you are far more likely to get a visit from the lawyers
anytme soon than me or anyone who has changed the CDA on their phone.!!!

Now please go away im sure you have a few more pirated movies
you can copy for sale, however I for one wont be buying.
Or maybe I will to test my theory!!!hmm

For gods sake don't ban him!
We'll have "Why was I banned?" threads going for months!

I have to say BIgfeat that while you break no laws with your site you are implying the breaking of laws and that is a fact that maybe you should live with.

On this forum if you post links to warez or hacks and cracks promotiong the breaking of laws the links are removed. Therefore I feel that your site is promoting the downloading or purchasing of priate DVD's - which have not been released yet. Surely this should not be encouraged was my original point - but as I have said it doesnt personally offend it just strikes me as slightly hypocritical given the argument going on thats all.

The fact that you have weened your way around certain state laws may make you feel better about yourself but morally doesnt make it right.

Spacedude used the hack in question before it was made illegal and the guys at SE didnt seem bothered that he had messed his phone up so maybe he like you is just finding his way round the law - it doesnt make it wrong is my point.

This doesnt however stop it from being allowed on this forum due to the rules laid down before us...

Hmmmm.
Time to show exactly how much of a noob I am!

I didnt buy my phone it was a free upgrade from a nokia 3510i

I didnt have to change tariff or anything I was just offered a free upgrade by vodaphone.

Is my phone branded?

I havent had to watch any advert from anyone yet.

I don't know how to start my comment, but I actually agree and disagree with both 😕

both of you guys (spacedude and Bigfeat) are correct, and wrong in a way!

spacedude didn't hide the issue of "ha**ing" his set on SE, and mentioned that clealry to the guys there, and they've already knew that the phone was branded (the O2 logo was there), on the otherhand they didn't ask or give a damn about it.
so I agree with his way of Unbranding a branded phone legaly.

but he also chosen to buy a branded phone, so he should follow their rules and watch their ads everytime he turn it off or on. that was your choice (even though you didn't get a contract with them), so live with it (well you chose not to as you already got rid of it) 😉

Bigfeat on the other hand, is refering to a clear issue, if this workaround over the branded phones issue was legal, why should SE then make contracts with network providers and brand their phones?!? they produced this Online Upgrading feature for unbranded phones, which is clear as it doesn't accept upgrading a branded phone, so it's ilegal fro their point of view.

but I don't think there's such ilegal stuff going around here, it's just about how they (I mean SE) would like it to be. otherwise they should not accept branded phone to be flashed in the service centers, the way they don't allow them to update it through the web, but as long as they have no problem doing it with their hands, then it's still legal...

don't know if my point is clear enough, as you guys confused me with your comments😕

spacedude:
it's still not LEGAL here to call people names!
guess this is the only thing we all totally agree on down here🙄

Spacedude � the premise of your post was to ask why your topic was banned when you feel that it was anything different then what the mods have openly discussed. I initially suggested that you get support from SE and a contract carrier in the form of a letter to support your idea that the act was not �illegal�. That was the help I was trying to provide early on. You quickly turned on me and started to rant and steam. You stated some examples with regards to what the mods discussed which you thought was against forum rules. I thought those examples were week and I stated some examples of why they were weak.

As far as my site goes. I�m not sure if you know this, but there is nothing there to suggest that I downloaded the content from anywhere. Has it come to any of your attention that there are millions of film content distributed to people around the world by the movie industry? For instance, my first advanced screening came when I saw Pulp Fiction in my uncle�s living room 2 months prior to it being released. He gets his copy directly from various movie studios because of the business he is in. Has it ever crossed your minds that I may have access to material that you guys wait months to see? So again, you guys make assumptions and those assumptions are merely suggestive. With that said, I�d love to hear how that implies I have to download any content that I have and how my personal site (which only lists movies and has links of a synopsis) suggest that I am selling anything. That's why I think some of you guys are very bad at arguing. You reach conclusions based on subjective evidence. You can not pin-point any facts to support your argument. Unlike some that clearly discuss methods to acts that break the forum rules. If my personal content (which is only located in my signature) is not punishable by law nor breaks this forum's rules then why bring it up? How can you make it relevant to this topic? I've sat in millions of courtroom hearings as long as I can remember to deduce your arguments down to apples and oranges. I've seen hundreds of plantiff cases get thrown out because they assume the argument they conjure up in their head could get by a judge or jury. This thread is a prime example of one. 😃

If you want to pass judgment based on non-factual evidence you might want to check the string of threads this buddy of yours have posted.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=40523&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

You can then pose this question to him: why are you telling members they can download movies and convert them to MP4s? Where are these movies coming from? Why do we see a history of you ranting and undermining other members? Why do you turn on those that have helped you?

Bigfeat why should I get a letter about my phone its already been sorted happily and openly by an SE centre so thats in my book the case is closed.

I am still yet to hear Which specific law is being broken re changing your CDA so how is it illegal?? or has anyone got evidence of a carrier stating that they will prosecute if you change your CDA?

The majority of what I have said is about something you might wish to think about 'principles' and the upholding of them by those who have them.Why should I get a worse product simply because some corporation wants me to watch their crap very unsubliminal adverts on my phone.What about my rights as a purchaser of their products.
Is not the 'Customer ' always right it is we after all who make their profits by buying their products.

Your self defence of your site is full of slippery pretty obvious BS
you constantly use words such as 'suggest' 'subjective'
and 'not punishable by law' who cares about that.

Why not answer one question openly and honestly without your frankly pathetic legal schmegal pap

'Have you ever sold copyrighted material for profit'

YES or NO??

Originally posted by spacedude
I am still yet to hear Which specific law is being broken re changing your CDA so how is it illegal??

🙄

Like I mentioned before; basic copyright laws. The firmware itself is the intellectual property of Sony Ericsson, therefore tampering with it would be ILLEGAL. The CDA version is a part of the actual firmware (ROM).

Spacedude -

The answer is NO. I have not sold any of the material for a profit. My choice of diction is appropriate because there is no evidence one can lean towards. There is no hard proof thus every argument you have brought up (suggested) would be thrown out in court (if we were in that scenerio). I don't need to make a profit from the material even though I have been begged and pleaded to sell for purchase. To tell you the truth I really wouldn't know what price tag to put on them. I spent over $1,500 for my P900 and over $1,110 for my P800 so would I really need to peddle this stuff for cash? That site came well after I have had any of these materials. So I've always had access to this type of material for years. Hence the reason why I haven't really taken the time to do anything with the site (i.e. put a price tag on anything or actually launched it).

There is a very famous radio personality that open talks about watching similar content in his car because that's the only time he really has time to view them. He openly talks about sharing the content with friends as his intent is only for viewing purposes. No big deal. The P800/P900 was my tool for viewing those materials. So again, this content is available to people with the right connections (verifiable). I just happen to have access to those 'right connections' whom happen to be close to me. This may just be a big deal to you because there's probably no one in your demographic that is priveledged to previewing any of this content.

Why should I get a worse product simply because some corporation wants me to watch their crap very unsubliminal adverts on my phone.What about my rights as a purchaser of their products.
Is not the 'Customer ' always right it is we after all who make their profits by buying their products.

Because you bought a contract/operator branded phone.If you had bought it SIM free the phone would've probably cost you 2 or 3 times more.Nothing in this world comes free.

Well said Ghostdog..... 😊

Ghostdog well I think I have proved that sometimes things do come free havent I??I got my phone for a substantial reduction because I bought it off someone who did not want it from his upgrade then it was totally unbranded by SE so looks like I have proved your point wrong

And are you so Naive to think because you are getting your phone cheaper they are doing you some big favour??

You may get the handset cheaper but you have to buy into their
service for how long??? 6 months . 12 months etc You have to keep paying them plenty of cash mate.

Havent you noticed that the bigger the discount on the Handset the higher the Tariff!! Its a simple marketing ploy to get you to take out their service.

Dont be fooled into thinking you are getting something for nothing you are paying for it every month with every bill at the higher Tariff you paid for.

On top of this extra tariff you also get stuck with their logos/adverts,
ok you may or may not care about that,

But what about the fact that despite getting this great phone and paying a high tariff for it you cannot even update the bloody thing to use it at its full potential!!!!

You the consumer who is paying out are not getting the best of what you paid for simply because they cannot be arsed to update the phones because it might get rid of their dumb logos!!!!
That is simply not right!!
To be honest If i could have updated to the latest software and kept their logos i would not have really cared, but why should they stop me from enjoying my phone at its best?

Bigfeat
You frankly astound me with your constant BS, you qualify every answer say with some quasi legal rubbish!!

We are Not in court , this is Not a trial!!

what is this absurd nonsense you are spouting

'My choice of diction is appropriate because there is no evidence one can lean towards'

'There is no hard proof thus every argument you have brought up (suggested) would be thrown out in court'

Of course I have no proof I am merely asking you for an honest answer yet you cannot resist using some pathetic legaleez to justify it. This would suggest that you feel you have something to hide or cover up.
Things do not have to be proven legally to be true do they??

Approximately 25% of murders in the UK remain unsolved, that means that 25% of murderers in the UK have not been proven guilty in a court of law, THEY STILL KILLED SOMEBODY!!!(sorry everyone i just could not resist caps there ) does that mean they are not guilty of a crime even if they never get caught?

Is someone wrongly convicted of murder really a murderer simply because they were wrongly convicted by flawed judicial system??

And as for your frankly yet again very pompous (finally spelt that right) 'demographic' 'big deal' and 'right connections' man you are so up your own arse its unbelievable

Practically anything is available for download these days or sold on street corners so give me a break about the priviliged few that get to see this material.Practically everything on your site has been available for weeks if not months

I do not care whether you sell ripped off stuff or not, Im just making a point of principle something you do not seem to have or understand.

If you were not concerned with subjects pertaining to legal issues why bring it up? What was your objective? How was my personal site relevant to this topic? Why did you digress to talking about my site if you didn't have a point to make? That shows your inability to stay within topic discusions or make relevant points.

Contract carriers do take a big loss on selling expensive phones with a discounted price because there is risk involved. If one buys a $1000 phone for $300 on contract and breaks the contract for $175 only 1 week later the loss still goes to the carrier. You don't think a $525 discount on that phone is a loss to the carrier? Hence their reason for charging higher rates to actually break even in the event such thing occurs. Business economics.

You brought yourself into this discussion Bigfeat with your arrogant and patronising attitude. I brought your site into this because I think (though obviously i cannot prove it in a court of law) that you profit from selling copyrighted material through your site.

You are allowed to provide links to your site through this forum which I feel allows or perhaps encourages people to have access to illegal material yet I am not allowed to discuss simply upgrading software on a phone.THATS MY POINT!!!!

Many many people have been prosecuted for selling copyrighted material and it has cost industry literally Billions of pounds!!
yet this link remains.

No one to my knowledge has yet been prosecuted for changing the basic software on their phone

Does that not strike you as a contradiction?

I still find it amusing that you still avoid for the 3rd/4th time of asking the simple question YES or NO to whether you have sold copyrighted material? , never mind the legal BS that you spout at the drop of a hat.

Frankly any answer you give now could not be trusted so please do not bother to regale us with even more of your legal speak tosh , it is not impressive or convincing, just a little sad as you endeavour to defend your position. So let it go.

As for whether contract carriers make a huge loss on selling phones well please stop my poor heart from breaking for those poor little corporations, im sure the executives and shareholders of those companies are currently begging in the streets with all the money they are losing to those nasty consumers who break their contracts.
If they provided a better service (i.e.access to the latest software)
then consumers would be less likely to break their contract.
Business economics indeed!!!!

poor old Vodaphone,O2 , Tmobile shall we send them some donations to bail them out??

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! they are rolling in cash!!!

There have been a number of goverment enquiries in the UK stating that these companies are infact charging us WELL ABOVE what we should be paying for their services , often as a way to help them bankroll the ridiculous price they paid to get the G3 licences or just pay out to greedy shareholders

And by the way do you honestly believe that O2, Tmobile, Vodaphone and all the rest Actually pay the SAME PRICE for a phone which they sell as part of a contract as people who buy the phone offline??They buy in huge amounts and are probably getting enormous discounts per unit price.

P900s probably cost about $20-30 to actually make, probably by some underpaid workers on a huge production line.

They are making huge mark ups to individual consumers , but easily afford to discount the Bulk purchases of contract carriers and still make a tidy profit

God you are so naive, I really thought that such a legal savvy
well connected guy like you would know at least that, well perhaps not.

like i said in an earlier post are you a doer or an accepter

Im a doer what you are is up to you!!

I still find it amusing that you still avoid for the 3rd/4th time of asking the simple question YES or NO to whether you have sold copyrighted material? , never mind the legal BS that you spout at the drop of a hat.

Originally posted by Bigfeat
Spacedude -

The answer is NO. I have not sold any of the material for a profit.

It would help if you read the posts you reply to.

Its irrelevant whether or not carriers make loads of money or whether or not they acquire devices at extremely low prices
or whether or not the p900 costs 30$(BTW:It costs a lot more that that).I don't see what any of that has to do with the topic.

Ghostdog u r way out of your league why dont you read the post fully then you might understand the subtlety of what is being said

quote
'The answer is NO. I have not sold any of the material for a profit. My choice of diction is appropriate because there is no evidence one can lean towards'

quote the facts not your edited highlights, he is clearly stating that it cannot be proved,not that it is not the case.

Why do you think he never gives a straight YES or NO answer without spouting off his legal mumbo jumbo nonsense afterwards? Really you are being quite ignorant here without even realising it.

Im not sure how one can 'LEAN towards evidence' though.

quote from you
'I don't see what any of that has to do with the topic.'

If you dont see then dont try to answer you clearly do not understand, I thinks its perfectly clear but then again this is my topic is it not.

The point is and its not a very hard one to grasp SO LISTEN CAREFULLY!!

WE should be able to get the best from the phones/products we buy.

WE are the most important people we are the CONSUMERS

Phone companies who already charge us lots of money should not be allowed to restrict our enjoyment of what we paid for , simply because they cannot be bothered to update our software.

Like I said you are either a DOER or an ACCEPTER you are clearly an ACCEPTER good for you thats your choice some of us are DOERS we expect more from life!

Thats it simple isnt it

And it is Absolutely relevant whether carriers make lots of money.
YOU are the ONE who brought up the price of handsets !!!
If they get them cheaply then they are NOT losing out if we cancel our contracts are they? These companies exist only to make a huge profit I personally expect more for my money
you Do Not

CASE CLOSED!

That is a big bunch of bollocks.

I quoted Bigfeat because in every of your factless posts you whined about how no one answered your 3-4 times asked questions.So far,all of them have been answered but for some reason,you are still here.

Of course you should get the best from the products you buy.But since you bought a contract phone you can't just do anything to you phone because its technicaly a loan.

And it is Absolutely relevant whether carriers make lots of money.
YOU are the ONE who brought up the price of handsets !!!
If they get them cheaply then they are NOT losing out if we cancel our contracts are they? These companies exist only to make a huge profit I personally expect more for my money
you Do Not

Its absolutely irrelevant for this discussion whether or not operators make loads of money but since brought it up,you know this,how?Do you do the accounting for every major operator out there?I do not except the best for my moneys worth?Do you know me,do you do my accounting as well?

CASE CLOSED!

Does this mean that you win?I'm sorry,but your posts are pointless and i don't have the time and energy to continue this discussion so go and do what you doers do.

Ghostdog I find it amusing that you as a so called
'Super moderator' are now breaking your own rules by using bad language.

You clearly cannot understand a SUBTLE argument and so you plod on like the idiot you are makng your sweeping statements based on your own dumb logic about whether a point has been made or not.

If your phone is technically a loan and you smash it to bits do they ask for their money back?
If you cancel your contract do they ask for the phone back?
At the end of your contract do they ask for the phone back?

the answer is No to each question?

You have to sign up for most contracts for at least 12 months so you have already PAID for your handset.
If you break your contract You have PAID for your phone
NO carrier has EVER told me my phone was on loan

I dont know what the phone companies do where you come from
but in the UK they are making a fortune and have been told by Government here they CHARGE TOO MUCH, or did you miss that point.

You come across as an ACCEPTER i.e. one who accepts what he is told, why do you feel the need to stick up for corporations who just want your money??

quote
'I don't have the time and energy to continue this discussion'.

so why are you bothering to answer, I do not care what time or energy you have or do not have. If you do not like the thread
ignore it , or do you not have the intelligence to just let it go
If my posts are pointless WHY DO YOU KEEP RESPONDING??

Unlike YOU I am more than aware that it is impossible to win an argument on the internet, people take positions and stick to them
so fair enough thats their choice

This thread started off about double standards on this site
THOSE DOUBLE STANDARDS STILL REMAIN IMHO

IN fact YOU!! were at one point going to ask Bigfeat to remove the link to his site!!! wow you have the memory of a flea with amnesia

This forum can still be used to LINK to GREY/Illegal material and yet the CDA discussion is not allowed.
THAT IS A DOUBLE STANDARD dude whether you like it or not.

To be honest I have grown tired of Posting on this thread myself
obviously the forum is not going to change its opinion and I knew that from the OUTSET but hey I like a good argument.

You can now go back to your really exciting posts about your favourite colour or case for your phone.

AT least this THREAD generated some interest and some Debate
I have looked at the average thread in this forum and each one often only gets 1-3 replies.

The threads that have generated MOST interest are based
on COST of phones and FLASHING THE SOFTWARE!!! how interesting.It would seem that many people think they are paying too much and want the latest software on their PHONE.

I am not going to bother carrying on this Thread as we can play Verbal Table tennis for the next month, I have made my point.

Infact I have tried to end this thread quite a few Times!!
Still at the end of the DAY I was PROACTIVE and got MY phone updated so its NOW UNBRANDED and ITS GREAT!!!!
YOu do what you want to do it affects me not one bit.

CASE CLOSED , NO ONE WINS(EVER) BUT A POINT HAS BEEN MADE

Raven ..

guess it's time to close this topic 😃

Originally posted by spacedude
This thread started off about double standards on this site
THOSE DOUBLE STANDARDS STILL REMAIN IMHO

Are you still here? Every single one of your puny arguments have been put to pieces, yet you seem unable to take your loss like a man. Geez you're pathetic. Those "double standards" only remains IN YOUR LITTLE HEAD.

Originally posted by spacedude
This forum can still be used to LINK to GREY/Illegal material and yet the CDA discussion is not allowed.
THAT IS A DOUBLE STANDARD dude whether you like it or not.

No it is not. Because you CAN NOT find links to grey/illegal material on this site, that is a plain LIE.

Originally posted by spacedude
CASE CLOSED

NOW the case (topic) is indeed closed, and I don't ever want to see you here again. Take your horrible attitude elsewhere.