Forum has become product campaign for NewsBot..

If we wanted to check out new software we would monitor the software websites ourself.

NewsBot, you're only alienating potential customers with this spam campaign.

How does everyone else feel?

We don't need a seperate post for every software available.

Where are the moderators, or are they in on it?

this forum is goin' to commercialized crap, like everything else.

i couldn't agree more... this is a forum.. i've joined a few forums already but this forum has is progressing to marketing...

Time to move to

Where real info resides.

They should rename it to AllAboutSales

lol

NewsBot,like the name says is not a real person but a Bot that automatically posts every new software article that comes in the shop and only posts in the Series 60 Software and UIQ software forums.Do you guys see this as a problem?

At least I don't. It is just keeping us informed. If you don't want to see it, stay clear of the "Series 60 Software" and "UIQ Software" forums...

Geez, some people just complain for the sake of complaining... Like GhostDog said, NewsBot is exactly what the name describes - a 'robot' automatically retrieving and posting news about new software. Which I for one find very useful. And I'm sure that goes for many others as well.

'EinStein' & CO, what's your problem? Series 60 Software and UIQ Software is only a small part of the forum and the 'NewsBot' is meant to be a service, not some evil advertising scheme. Get a grip.

I notice all the above guest posts are by the same person at the same IP 🙄

I do not see the bot as a problem at all, i think it's quite a nice feature to see updated software releases.

At least they aren't posted on the front page like some other sites, It's nice to see a lot of new and interesting articles on the front page rather than just new software releases. 😊

could it be that the above posters are all the same person?

the time diffrence betweeen them is very little

looooool j2theizzo

posted at the same time with the same thought 😃

Ismail wrote:looooool j2theizzo

posted at the same time with the same thought 😃

😉

I already suspected they were all the same person! Don't know what his problem is

J2theIZZO wrote:At least they aren't posted on the front page like some other sites

I haven't seen a single bad word about AAS from people running MySymbian for years, while I keep seeing such vicious allusions to MySymbian on these forums all the time, and most of them come from AAS people, not from ordinary users. Like Ewan Spencer saying in his 9500 review that he won't post hundreds of useless screenshots. The allussion is obvious. And you are not the only one. Your allied Richard Bloor says the same things, for example on msmobiles.com he says that MySymbian is just a poor shop frontend. Hmmm.... Maybe he can't read, but it was MySymbian who reviewed the 9500 when he didn't even know how it looks like, the same for BenQ P30, the same for 9210 and 7650 some years ago, the same for P910i (in summer) etc.

Leave MySymbian alone, OK? Or do you really want to provoke them?

Jacek from Warsaw who also keeps reading AAS

J2theIZZO wrote:At least they aren't posted on the front page like some other sites

I haven't seen a single bad word about AAS from people running MySymbian for years, while I keep seeing such vicious allusions to MySymbian on these forums and site quite often, and many of them come from AAS people, not from ordinary users who really don't care about your competition. Most users use BOTH sites and consider them complementary. Why damage this stable situation? Like Ewan Spencer saying in his 9500 review that he won't post hundreds of useless screenshots. The allussion is obvious. And you are not the only one. Your allied Richard Bloor says the same things, for example on msmobiles.com he says that MySymbian is just a poor shop frontend. Hmmm.... Maybe he can't read, but it was MySymbian who reviewed the 9500 when he didn't even know how it looks like, the same for BenQ P30, the same for 9210 and 7650 some years ago, the same for P910i (in summer) etc. And what exactly makes mySymbian a "shop frontend" and your site not? You have the same shop. The only difference is that mySymbian add _all_ programs to their software directory and link it from main page, while you only inform about some applications (maybe you charge developers for mentioning their programs and publish only those who pay? quite possible)

Your negative attitute is so clearly visible. Of course, you don't have to link them or even say a word about them on your site. But there has to be some reason and explanation for why you link e.g. SymbianOne reviews but not MySymbian reviews (and their 9500 review is extremely detailed, the BenQ review is quite useful, so is the P910i review), you removed MySymbian news feed, on your so called "separate S80 site" (which actually is the same site, just filtered for S80, i.e. exactly the same as Communicator section on mySymbian) there is not even a link to mySymbian even though there are links to much less popular sites with much less resources about S80 and more. The same for SymbianOne - they avoid saying a word about mySymbian as much as they can. And if they say anything, it is negative (like on the msmobiles). I remember how mysymbian was called on this forum when they switched from news server and dared to use phpbb script which was also used by you. Then I remember how mysymbian was called on this forum after michal Jerz was invited by Microsoft. I think these threads are still available. Funny thing, when your Admin got invited (and went) to Microsoft two times, nobody on this forum said a single bad word. You Brits are so chauvinistic...

This is ridiculous and it makes you look really bad, so let other sites alone. Try to win with others by offering better content and not by kicking others.

Jacek from Warsaw
who also keeps reading AAS and likes it as long as it is objective and friendly for others. mySymbian is run by my compatriot and is a great site with long history since late '90s and it really annoys me if treated this way by money-hungry people

First of all
Choose one name and stick to it

second of all
It bugs you that we put ads but you wish that we do more?
have u ever seen a website with no ads
ads are only ways to help websites pay off their dept
dare you to find a MAJOR website(hotmail,google,yahoo...etc) that doesnt have ads

i consider this a community furom because as stated above i dont see the moderaters writing news for programs on its front page
thats y its a community furom

my symbian is a great website and cant argue with that

have u thought of maybe that my symbian didnt give permission to post a link to their reviews?

Last of all
what is it you want exactly? :con? 😎

Ismail wrote:First of all
Choose one name and stick to it

It bugs you that we put ads but you wish that we do more?

have u ever seen a website with no ads
ads are only ways to help websites pay off their dept
dare you to find a MAJOR website(hotmail,google,yahoo...etc) that doesnt have ads

my symbian is a great website and cant argue with that

have u thought of maybe that my symbian didnt give permission to post a link to their reviews?

Last of all
what is it you want exactly? :con? 😎

BTW. I know what the NewsBot is. It is a great way to boost the number of posts on this board 😊 Then you can say this forum is more popular than any other. If not counting the Newsbot posts and posts in Community Waffle (i.e. when counting only Symbian OS related posts) this forum would have even less posts than mySymbian, even though mySymbian's forums are much younger....

The same for users browsing. mySymbian shows people browsing the actual forum, while this site shows all people on the entire site. And the date of the news on the front page... I cant understand why it is 5 or 6 hours back. To give you an impression that AAS is the quickest? I asked about this some time ago and they told me it is because of the server being in US. Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt time zone settable in a posters profile and it really doesnt matter where the server is? And so on. All these little things.

BTW. That anonymous guy wrote: "This is crap Time to move to " and the rest was removed by a moderator. What site did he censor? Am I a bit oversensitive or was it mySymbian? 😉

Jacek (just checked with IPconfig - my IP is 83.28.226.85 - Polish neostrada network - 80% of Polish users use it as it is our national telecom provider).

sorry for accusing u of being the same poster
the above thread is a response to the first

btw u said that my symbian started in the late 90s so its a very old website
which means naturrally it has more ppl in it

look how about we end it here and end this nonsense conversation
if we keep arguing this conversation will never end

ps i 2 want to know whats the website that was removed?

We value all comments, after all it is our users who have made us the number 1 Symbian website on the internet!

To address some specific concerns. The NewsBot is an automatic bot which posts news to the software forums when something is new or updated on Handango. This was created in direct response to several users request that the information that appears in software could also be posted to the forum. Perhaps it would be a good idea to seperate this forum into two one soley for software updates and one for software discussion. I'll add it to the list for the next forum review.

Jacek - if you see what you consider to be vicious allusion do let me know - I don't always read all the post so I may have missed something. Of course I may also have read things in a different way to you.

We certainly do not intend to hide that we make money out of advertising and affiliate sales. I'm sure you, as a webmaster, realise the necessity of covering costs through such methods. I would expect most members to be aware of this too.

Inevitably people see Symbian sites in competition with each other, although from past discussion with Michal we have agreed there's more than enough room for both of us and we do in fact serve different markets. AAS does have more written content (such as our reviews and features), and we don't post news everytime something is new on Handnago. My-Symbian on the other hand is an excellent resource for those looking for software news and updates, and Michal has had excellent reviews of hardware too.

I'm glad to see you are reading AAS. Can we expect to see you switching to a Symbian device soon! 😉

Ismail wrote:btw u said that my symbian started in the late 90s so its a very old website which means naturrally it has more ppl in it

But it really doesnt matter to me which site is more popular or has more visitors. The sites should cooperate and not compete if their goal is to support Symbian users. But recently AAS sound a bit unfriendly, at least thats how I see it.

look how about we end it here and end this nonsense conversation
if we keep arguing this conversation will never end

ps i 2 want to know whats the website that was removed?

J.

Just to add My-Symbian have never refused permission for linking, and I'm sure in the past we have done so (linked to them that is). Certainly there's a permanent link on the front page (I assume the reverse is true, though I haven't checked recently).

Equally we I think SymbianOne is a valuable resource. It is not widely known about though. I agree NewLC is probably best for developers. SymbianOne is really targetting Enterprise sector / users.

With regards to the time/ date - its nothing deliberate. It is to do with the server time (on the front page its sever time), and in the fourms - assuming your registered you can set it to whatver timezone you like. I might look at setting the server time to GMT at some point.

Jacek from Warsaw,

So, out of curiosity, what's your handle over at My-Symbian? It isn't Michal Jerz is it? I don't see why anyone else would (over)react the way you do to some misconception of this site boycotting My-Symbian. I don't see why anyone else would know that much about the history of My-Symbian. I don't see why anyone else would care that much about this site having more visitors and more posts. Having been a regular user of My-Symbian for a long long time I also recognise your writing style.

I do have great respect for you, Michal, you do a hell of job for the Symbian community. You are probably the most knowledgeable person out there when it comes to Symbian stuff, but your ramblings here are, IMO, misguided and uncivilised. Creating a false persona and attacking AAS in that manner, is just plain rude.

Btw, I'm positive that GhostDog didn't remove a link to your site, it was most likely a link to some warez site. You really are being 'oversensitive' as you call it. I would probably use another word, but I won't go there. 😊

Rafe wrote:We value all comments, after all it is our users who have made us the number 1 Symbian website on the internet!

Now I know why I prefer mySymbian (apart from them being my compatriots): they do not call themselves number one, the best, the biggest, the only, the real and the true. Unlike you. Michal Jerz is sometimes a bit too (or maybe even way too) harsh, but at least is a honest person and not a conceited know-all. And what he achieved with mySymbian, he did it himself alone. While there are so many of you guys here: webmasters, reviewers, moderators, supermoderators, admins etc., and you only managed to get close to mySymbian recently - to what one man keeps doing for years. Funny, isnt it?

I'm sure you, as a webmaster, realise the necessity of covering costs through such methods.

from past discussion with Michal we have agreed there's more than enough room for both of us and we do in fact serve different markets.

AAS does have more written content (such as our reviews and features), and we don't post news everytime something is new on Handnago. My-Symbian on the other hand is an excellent resource for those looking for software news and updates, and Michal has had excellent reviews of hardware too.

I'm glad to see you are reading AAS. Can we expect to see you switching to a Symbian device soon! 😉

Anyway, I am truly honoured by being ansered by the Admin Himself. Please, forgive me being (intentionally) a little bit biting and ironic but your puffed up attitude perfectly matches everything I wrote about this website in my previous post. But I guess it's in your genes or maybe the English weather has something to do with it....?

So, out of curiosity, what's your handle over at My-Symbian? It isn't Michal Jerz is it?

Btw, I'm positive that GhostDog didn't remove a link to your site, it was most likely a link to some warez site.

And yes,it was a warez site that i removed,should i post it?:redface:

Raven,

I have just come to All About Symbian to check if there are any news from the Expo, only to find this thread (thanks to its interesting subject). What can I say... I am sorry to disappoint you Raven, but I don't have anything to do with the person who introduces himself as Jacek in this thread nor with the person who started it. That's all I can say and I am not going to prove it. I do not know any of the persons, I have no idea what their nicks on my forums are and even whether they really use my forums or not. Nor I have any idea how/why the person knows so much about My-Symbian history but I don't think it is anything unusual. The simple explanation is that he really keeps visiting My-Symbian for several years and that's it. My-Symbian has been popular for many years and it isn't anything special that there are people (especially in my home country) who keep visiting the site from its launch in 1998. Besides, what he wrote about is what I often discuss on my forums so it isn't hard to learn it. There are some people who are quite 'fanatic' about My-Symbian as if it was a football team or other "idol" but it's really not my thing what they do. That person only expressed his opinion and NOT MINE. As for him sharing my style of writing, please don't be ridiulous. Thank you. There is probably some similiarity between all Polish people writing in English just like e.g. all Americans I know who speak a little Polish make the same funny mistakes or use very similiar experssions. No conspiracy theories, please.

Raven, if you check you will know that I happened to defend myself and My-Symbian on this forum several times in the past, when I was accused here of various funny things like e.g. collaboration with Microsoft. But I was ALWAYS using my real name and the name of my website as an account name. ALWAYS. And that's how I am. That you accused me of using false name to attack AAS only means that you TOTALLY DON'T KNOW ME, contrary to what you wrote. I do not have to use any false nicks or pretend to be someone else - I always say what I think with my head high and under my own name. Go and check my forums and see how many times I had to answer difficult questions and unpleasant or even rude posts - always as Michal Jerz. The very same for my posts on this forum. I am sorry but you were wrong and saying so really was insulting for me.

Anyway, this thread is totally nonsense. I do not share Jacek's (or whoever he is) opinions about AAS, I do not want to fight with AAS, I do not want to compete with AAS, I do not want anything from AAS. To be honest, I rarely (if at all) think about AAS lately as I have very, very little free time and a lot of important things to do this days. I can't find enough time to do all the required things on my own website and it would be amazing if I was spending my precious time on your forums, God only knows what for. Check my forums and see if I ever talk about AAS there. Why should I do it here then for God's sake.

That's all I can say. Believe it or not. Hopefully Rafe can check and let you know if my IP has anything to do with those two guys.

I don't expect apologies from you Raven, but please, be more restrained in your opinions next time Raven as it is very easy to offend innocent people, especially in a public place. This thread will be read by hundreds of people. The most sad thing about AAS <-> My-Sy relations is that this is not the first time I have to come here to defend myself against senseless accusations. What's wrong with some of you? :con?

Best regards,
Michal Jerz
My-Symbian.com Admin

Please do not expect any further posts from me in this thread. I am reachable on my own website - either directly on the forums or via PM.

Sorry Michal, I didn't want to cause any trouble. Raven, you are wrong, Michal Jerz don't even know who I am (and I wont tell neither you nor him). My intentions were good but you AllAboutSymbian guys didnt understand me correctly because you are blind and you only keep saying that youre number one etc. I was writing about being more friendly and willing to cooperate with each other instead of competing; thats all. MySymbian is a friendly site and you won't find anybody writing bad things about AAS on on their forums, at least I cant find any. Doesn't matter, anyway. Thats my last message as I dont want to start any wars. If I knew it will turn against Michal Jerz I wouldnt post at all but I thought someone has to say that.

I think you shouldremove this thread as it doesn't do any good to neither mySybmian nor AllaboutSymbian. No need for wars. I still think what I wrote, but I should have written it a bit differently. So just remove this thread. Once again, sorry Michal, no more posts from me about your site here. I am sorry if I offended anybody - it wasn't my intention.

Przepraszam Michal
Jacek Z.

Unregistered,., wrote:I think you shouldremove this thread as it doesn't do any good to neither mySybmian nor AllaboutSymbian. No need for wars.

I think that's a good idea!

Glad to see that this didnt turn to World war symbian😃

Michal,

Sorry, but I'm not convinced that you are two different persons - there are just too many things hinting otherwise. I'm also pretty sure that you've posted anonymously here before. And I find it strange that you or the one posting anonymously are unable to provide a user name for Jacek at My-Symbian. If you are telling the truth, this Jacek person must be the biggest fan of a website (any website), EVER. And most likely a very active member in your forum. Anyway, I don't have anyway to prove that you are one and the same person, so I will apologize if I'm wrong, and leave it be.

Unregistered,., wrote:I was writing about being more friendly and willing to cooperate with each other instead of competing; thats all.

Yeah right. You are the one that started insulting people, and this site. You even managed to offend the entire English population with your bigotry. You are the one that started this comparison ('competition'😉 between My-Symbian and AAS .

MySymbian is a friendly site and you won't find anybody writing bad things about AAS on on their forums, at least I cant find any.

And I can't find anyone writing bad things about My-Symbian in this forum. You are the one that even brought up My-Symbian in this thread.

Thats my last message as I dont want to start any wars.

Good, because again you are the one that started this 'war'.