Let nokia know how fed up we are with the memory on 7650

They would have to put more than an 8 meg in it anyway as the OS and Apps that come with the phone take up 15.5 meg.

You want at least 32-64 meg in total.

I don't think harrasing Nokia will do much anyway, I'm sure people have sent countless email's already, but I think they would only notice if at least 25% of people that have purchased the 7650 voiced their anger. (Which is probably around 10,000 people) Or more.

hmmm, i see. I'm bothered from the 7650 too, but it was the best phone in the market, absouletly the best at that time. It was a pretty slow market time, P800 delaying from time to time, and there was no sign of any new similiar phones like the 7650. People are buying it even so it doesnt have alotta memory, just because they can't wait to next year or fot the p800 realease. I don't know about nokia recalling all their handsets, but they should offer a memory upgrade where we take our phones to the sevice center and they proffesionally open it up and put more memory! That'll be more like it, where there's no risk.. hopefully 😃

All the do-it-yourself way of adding memory to the 7650 were useless, people have lost their phones, or if they succedded, lost vital aspects of their phones, like making a call and recieving one, (well its a phone, thats what its made to do 😊) -that was taken from Millieniums experiece.

Anwayz, good luck to whatever your'e planning!

tel me about it :evil: :evil: :evil:

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I understand that the Firmware takes up a LOT of space, but was under the impression that was on a seperate chip -)
SeleQ actualy lists 3 devices, 4M Flash C 412k RAM D and 15.6M ROM Z (im guessing the numbers here, cant remeber exactly)

Are you suggesting these are all really one chip?

If so, its probably a 32meg device, the existing firmware is about 16meg i think, and 4meg for user mem, thats 20.... hmmm. Still a little missing about 10 meg here. The device would HAVE to be a 32meg or 16. as they only come in multiples of 2, and we have used more than 16.
Does this mean nokia are hiding 10meg? maybe stashing it for future firmware upgrades? who knows?

Please can anyone who has tried Chip replacement let me know what they did, tried, found out so I can work on a fix. Simply replacing the chip maynot work, but maybe copying the existing chip onto the new larger capacity one first would help? has anyone done this also?

I would also like to know if anybody has details on the address lines used, maybe its possible to piggyback a new flash on top of the old one if there is an address line free for chip select type stuff. This would make the phone think the existing chip was twice the size, while not changing ANY existing data (thus breaking the phone )

I would like to suggest a Central 7650 Memory Issues point, for all related discussions and reports on what has been tried.
I have electronics and programming knowledge but dont want to duplicate other peoples mistakes when I could be trying new fixes!
If we pool all the info that all the people have, including reports on what was tried and what went wrong we can Start to make sense of this, and also cut down on these duplicated Memory posts!

Lastly, if we can get just 1/4 of phone owners to complain to Nokia and threaten to boycot future handsets im sure this would scare the $h1t out of them enough to spur them into some sort of action -)

I thought they may have segmented one chip to save on costs.

They certainly aren't hideing 10mb somewhere, the upgrade from 3.12 > 3.16 uses an extra 160kb of user space.

They may use seperate chips, I've emailed Nokia just after I got the phone regarding a possible memory upgrade, but I'm yet to get a response.

I find it highly unlikely that they will ever offer memory upgrades for the phone. It would be to much hassle, they may aswell release a simlar phone with an MMC Slot (the 3650) that way they stand to make more money.

I still don't regret buying the phone, it just means I'll have to buy a new on sooner than first expected. Although I'm not sure that's going to happen as I planned it would. I am due for an upgrade very soon and with nothing new on the market I'm stuck with the 7650 for a bit longer.

As for getting 1/4 of the people that purchased the phone to contact Nokia, how do you think your going to do that?

I'm not sure exactly sure how many people have bought the phone, but i'd say only a very small percentage of those people use this forum.

Maybe i'm being cynical but I just can't see it happening. 😞

Nokia will not easily offer an upgrade, no.
But if enough people all complain, they will realise that the market pressure means they need to.
The point is as you said, they want to make more money selling another phone! Does this seem right?

My point, they have managed to force me into wanting to upgrade only weeks after buying, the difference? I will NOT buy another nokia. Ill just get the Ericson P800 that I couldnt wait for before, I shoulda waited.

If enough people all write to nokia saying
"I want a memory upgrade, if not, im buying a P800 to replace the 7650"
Nokia will stand to lose LOTS of money, and that WILL make them do it.
Trust me, if they beleive we will do that they will have no option but to give us what we want, we are the consumers, we have the real power here but just need to get organised enough to show it.

I am planning to start a petition online to get the names of everyone who owns a 7650 and wants more memory. I cant think of a single owner who WOULDNT want more -) I know most of us after paying for the phone would willingly pay for the ram upgrade.

If I make enough fuss about this I can get the site advertised in some news sites, tech sites and maybe even a real newspaper here in the UK, even if people dont sign, Nokia will notice the bad publicity and have to take note of the issue.

Giving 4meg user mem was pointless right from the start. Nokia knew it, the 3650 was in planning at almost the same time as the 7650, so they always knew the memory would be an issue. They just didnt care because it garanteed them more money in upgraded phone sales.

Again, I ask anyone involved in any attempt to upgrade their own Flash to contact me in some way and let me know the results, I can then produce a nice "7650 Memory" page along with the petition to give all the information needed for people who own this otherwise wonderfull phone.

How would you feel if you bought a PC with a 512Meg HD that you couldnt upgrade when standard 80gig drives are cheap?
even the SL45 had an SD slot!

SORT IT OUT NOKIA!

right on brother!

People;

I think there is a very poiniant point being missed here;

Nobody, least of all Nokia, forced your arm up you're back and made you buy your 7650. It was your (and my) choice.

4Mb may be a little small but if you wanted something that you could load games and apps onto then why didn't you buy an XDA. Yes it's ugly and bulky but it has most of the things built in that others seem to bitch about not being on the 7650. Remember that it is simply an enhanced phone and not a pocket computer.

And as for boycotting Nokia... PL-EASE.... behave. :x

Am I alone on this or is anyone else sick and tired of hearing people blame everyone/everything except themselves for buying something that didn't really have the features they wanted.

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[quote="zygote"]People;

I think there is a very poiniant point being missed here;

Nobody, least of all Nokia, forced your arm up you're back and made you buy your 7650. It was your (and my) choice.

4Mb may be a little small but if you wanted something that you could load games and apps onto then why didn't you buy an XDA. Yes it's ugly and bulky but it has most of the things built in that others seem to bitch about not being on the 7650. Remember that it is simply an enhanced phone and not a pocket computer.

And as for boycotting Nokia... PL-EASE.... behave. :x

Am I alone on this or is anyone else sick and tired of hearing people blame everyone/everything except themselves for buying something that didn't really have the features they wanted.

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I'll never boycot Nokia, they are the best phones, no question. SE are as relaible as a chocolate teapot, slower than a x286 trying to play Quake Deathmatch. (I don't like SE as you may have guessed!, even though I'll be getting a P800 aswell as my 7650, if they ever release it)

If you manage to get this petition going then i'll sign it without a second thought, I'm just getting fed up with all this frustration over the memory, as zygote said nobody forced you to buy the damn thing.

I agree that the paltry 4MB was more than likely Nokia playing the market, in anticipation for their latest models being released.

The way I see it is that the 7650 is a great little taste of what we can expect in the future. Boycott Nokia, yeah, that will happen 😃 .

Just remember folks, it's a phone with a couple of nifty features that 99% of other phones don't have, concentrate on the positive 😃

But if it helps, I would sign a petition to try to get a memory upgrade made available on the 7650 (Mr. Nokia, I'd be willing to pay).

It's a time of innovation, and I don't think it will be too long before we see 1GB Bluetooth keychains acting as a storage medium for this little beauty.

GET A LIFE ...
Personally, I am getting sick of this constant moaning about memory. Of course we all want more ... 15 years ago you got a PC with a 300MB hard disk. It was huge and ... you wanted more. Thne along came 750 MB, then 1 GB ... now we all sport 60 GB hard drives even in notebooks. I mean my bloody MP3 player has 20 GB.

For a real assessment of the development life-cycle of the hard read The Innovators Dilemma - by Clayton Christensen ... then think about the issues affecting discontinuous innovation. What you lot are getting all het up about are fundamentally different technologies - flash memory and disk memory.

Integrating flash memory into devices is not as simple as you all seem to think ... you only have to go back a few years (i.e. when the 7650 was in design mode) and you would have found that every MB of flash memory had a disproportionate affect on the cost of manufacture. And in case you didn't notice it, Nokia are in the business of making profits (see their latest figures out today). One of the things that they pay special attention to is the cost of getting the whole shooting match through the manufacturing process and out into the market in bulk.

You've got to remember that this is the 1st product on the market that effectively integrates the phone type device with a PDA type device (running a real operating system). Expect next S60 versions to come along with lots more memory, more capabilities in connecting ...

who knows, maybe soon you'll expect the device to automatically swap between GPRS and WiFi when it is available, to swtich to BT connection when we are in the office. To then suddenly become a telematics server for the car (via bluetooth), to serve up your games on the road (to the kids in the back seat).

As someone said earlier - nobody forced you to buy it. And if you choose to upgrade when the next sexier model comes along ... then you are probably like me ... a geek underneath it all that has to have the latest gadget.

So can we get an memory upgrade? hehehe just joking 😃

LOL

Hi, dont get me wrong, yes the phone IS amazing, and no, nobody forced me to buy it.
I just feel like ive got the demo shareware version that shows you what the phone COULD do if only the demo-cripple of 4meg memory was removed.
As for design time considerations, assuming they put a 32meg FLash chip in, the 64 has been available for several years, and hasnt been that expensive compared to the rest of the phone anyway. Any design team worth their salt would KNOW that chip costs come down (if that was the issue) in time and allow for that by putting the larger chip in, knowing that by the time the phone is in large scale production the chip will cost less. Virtualy NO redesign would be needed for the larger chip, it was just downright NASTY (or stupid) not to do it, to force us to upgrade the phone.

Yes, I KNOW they are out to make money, but we are the consumer who has the demand for the product. If consumers didnt put up with this sort of thing from companies they wouldnt do it to us! They wouldnt go out of business either, they would just bump the cost of the handset up by a bit (probably more than the extra mem cost and make even MORE money).
They have an oportunity to make money from the upgrade too. We just have to show there is demand.

The phone has amazing potential above much that even nokia realised I expect, but the 4Meg limit will prevent it from EVER reaching its full potential.
I think that is a shame.
Nokia have crippled the phone by poor judgment (if they really thought 4meg was enough) or greed (if they knew, but want to sell us the 3650 too), and either way I think its a terrible thing to happen to such a nice phone.

Oh, yes, I didnt really expect people to actualy boycot nokia, that is like asking people not to breath (they are one of the worlds biggest phone companies), I just want to be able to lift some weight against them in the request for an upgrade scheme.
After all, they can repair them, upgrade firmware, why not upgrade ram?

Hey, I know where you are coming from ... and in many respects I agree. I suppose what I was reacting against is the near constant grumblings on one thread or another about wanting more memory.

I dont see any grumblings about the lack of effective applications that make use of the OS in a mobile context, leveraging the capabilities of connectedness (to the Internet). Personally, I find that more of an issue.

Hey Guys out there,

I guess the reason why Nokia only embeded 4mb flash memory into the phone (7650) is to actually test the market's demand on how much user space do users need (by getting feedbacks) and also as a prototype for the future similar Nokia phones.

As you all can see, this phone is totally different from other Nokia(s), as in its much more better then the previous series 20 & 40 phones.

Its obvious that Nokia is using this phone (7650) to actually test the market & know what does the consumer demands.

As for an upgrade for the memory, i guess Nokia would not do it. But again they might if there's really a big demand on it, as in i mean almost 75% of its 7650 users request at once.

Do you guys agree what i've said?
(I mean, if you don't totally agree, you'll agree on certain point right?)

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I disagree 😊

I dont think that nokia really knew abou 4mb being not much to play with! Sure they knew it was limited but they did not expect so much dissapointment! That why they released the 3650 with MMC slot! they soon learned their lesson!

I am 99% sure that there will be NO memory upgrade availabe from Nokia! So forget about it! Plz 😊

MaleBuffy,

Yes i agree with you. I actually wanted to say what you've just said.

But i guess that my bad english must have let you mis understand what i'm trying to say. heh. :P

😉

[quote="MaleBuffy"]

I am 99% sure that there will be NO memory upgrade availabe from Nokia! So forget about it! Plz 😊[/quote]

I disagree, I'm 110% sure there will be NO memory upgrade 😃

J2theIZZO, such a joke. hehe 😃 😃

I think the more likely option is that we will eventualy see 3rd party companies or electonic DIY enthusiats who will develop a dodgy, warranty destroying upgrade. (Much like the customisations being done on IPAQs accross the web).

BUT I can't see this happening for a number of reasons:

1) By the time these enthusiats (which I can't spell) have managed it, the problem will be an old one. The release of newer, better handsets would have made 7650 upgrades an unfeasible (in terms of sales/profit) project.

2) The phone has not, and probably will not, be released in the United States. Barring Asia, this is our most likely source of DIY jobs. Even if a 7690 is released, it will probably ship with more memory installed, or towards the end of the 7650 lifecycle, in which case, see above.

3) Changing the flash may not be so hard be re-writing the firmware to address it would be (with my *very* ttle knowledge of phone software) almost impossible.

Considering all of the above, I'm pretty sure i'll get a P800, i'm just worried about the lack of softare for it after its release. The 7650 will be far better supported, mainly due to the mass selling (probably) 3650.

let me tell you something about the 3650! When it will be released Series 60 will be at its best BUT and its a BIG BUT, software companies will develop programs 4-5MB in size! So even though Series 60 software will be widely available it won't fit in the 7650's memory! So the times of 7650 ARE counted and running out! :-?

Good point.

I know 5 people that have the 7650 including me. Out of the 5, 2 want more memory (me included) and the other 3 don't have any idea what memory is, but they still enjoy their photo-telephone. 😊

[quote="DertyLee"]I know 5 people that have the 7650 including me. Out of the 5, 2 want more memory (me included) and the other 3 don't have any idea what memory is, but they still enjoy their photo-telephone. 😊[/quote]

Yeah that's about right!

[quote="MaleBuffy"]let me tell you something about the 3650! When it will be released Series 60 will be at its best BUT and its a BIG BUT, software companies will develop programs 4-5MB in size! So even though Series 60 software will be widely available it won't fit in the 7650's memory! So the times of 7650 ARE counted and running out! :-?[/quote]

Thats it,and that is what makes me mad until first day i here about the 3650...

even now some app.are to big,and would be better smaller:
selecQ/e-profile shout be minimize on the file-man.and nothing else.
(I test a Beta of Handy-files from epocware in the moment,
it is really light,but have 10 Shortcuts and not only 3 like selecQ.
Naturely it have all the features like:Copy,move,search,send by:Infra/bluetooth/mail/Mms,etc.)

Epocware will send u out the information as soon they are ready to put it out...

GreetZ S�mi

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