The enemy is in trouble....

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good read! good laughs! 😃

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!......MS is up to it's old tricks again 😃 :roll:

These are not bugs, they are design decisions and features.

Don't you guys know anything 😉

Oh thats why.....Pff I should have known better! 😃

Yeah I kind of guess they would be.

I suppose you can download Service Pack 1, but it's 74MB and you can only download through GPRS.....The only file you need to stop the error messages will be 11k, but you HAVE to download the whole thing! 😃

I feel with any new technology there has to be bugs, these are normally fixed prior to release. I guess when the budding developers are releasing there 100% bug free apps we can be happy. Judging by the fact that MS have the most attention on there products because they are brand leaders and innovators they are always going to get hassle from those who !!! Imagine !!!! They can do better.

I still await an O/S on any platform which has no bugs and is perfect, if there is my company and a one or two others will be installing it ASAP

So I guess your company is using the most buggy one? Windows? 😃

Not saying that as we have a large mixutre of O/S on servers but have Win2k on around 1000 desktops. My point was this forum which i would like to is say fantastic is mobile phone tech sharing not slagging we can logon to MSN messenger for slagging things

Slaging? Just saying the trouth!

I agree with Muffy, it's not just the fact that MS Smartphone is very buggy (Which is a common thing with MS), it's the fact that they are charging Developers $600 to licence there applications (Which will not work without it).

No freeware for MS fans then :roll:

No freeware!?!??!

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Then you're gonna see alot of Cracks and Warez in M$ forums worldwide!!

A piece of advice, don't host a MS forum on this site, if so, we'd need a whole fleet of Warez Warriors!!! 😃

You are forgetting that "free" software is on it's way to being illegal in the US. M$ words GPL as a "virus", and hints to everyone that they shouldn't use it in favour of their own paid for expensive crap. As for expecting thing to have bugs, yeah, I anticipate bugs, but to find that M$ can't make the basics work is laughable. Ah well the colour screen works, that's one "innovation" that we've never seen before that does work.

As for my attitude before anyone comments, the day that M$ stops lying and talking bollox about everything is the day I stpo being derogotary. Looks like I'll never stop then.

As i have said beofre the bigger you are the more people want to try and pick faults. I on the other hand realise that if MS want to stay competive they have no move forward at great pace and yes sometimes they rush products slightly more than other companies but then again most comanies wait for MS to release and then 6 months later bring out there own products which are similar to MS.

If Microsoft was as bad as you all state they would go bust, no one would use them for network platforms or O/S or servers. In fact any company that can make a 80% profit on O/S alone out of a total sale of 2.6 billion must be doing something correct.

Okay so OS slaes make a profti, but have seen how much other depts (Pocket PC especially) are loosing. The OS is the only hing holding the company up.

And lets not comment on how much they are throwing at XBox in the hope tha X years down the line see's them in a dominate position as the only hardware player.

SwitchBlade for a gentleman and i use that term loosly who hates MS products so much it made me chuckle to see you use MSN messenger.

I feel people who do understand fully what they are speaking about feel it much easier to take pot shots at MS. I have no problems with peoples replies i just don't understand the bread of people who jump onto the we hate MS band wagon and say the usual comments they have read from trash papers. If people hate that much do something about it get you laptop or PC the funny penguin OS instead of MS. Use netscape over IE. Speak to the Network Admin and watch him laugh when you suggest using the funny penguin O/S on his/she network.

Ewans comment how ever was very well put

[quote="Robbie"]As i have said beofre the bigger you are the more people want to try and pick faults. I on the other hand realise that if MS want to stay competive they have no move forward at great pace and yes sometimes they rush products slightly more than other companies but then again most comanies wait for MS to release and then 6 months later bring out there own products which are similar to MS.

If Microsoft was as bad as you all state they would go bust, no one would use them for network platforms or O/S or servers. In fact any company that can make a 80% profit on O/S alone out of a total sale of 2.6 billion must be doing something correct.[/quote]

I take it you've never encountered the 'Blue Screen of DEATH'

I agree they must be doing something right, but it ain't in their products.

To the 'average' PC user there is only one choice Windows (and sometimes Mac).

They may be winning the desktop race but that is only a one horse race as far as I can see, Microsoft dominated the market early on and now nobody stands a chance.

But this is a different story when it comes to the 'smartphone' race, they started late and are well behind, and at the moment don't seem to be giving themselves any favours by charging $600 for someone to develop an application, or having a seriously slow and un-reliable system.

We are not just slating it because it's microscoff. Others agree (Sendo for instance 😉 SYMBIAN is where it's at, and I don't see this changing in a hurry unless MS take their fingers out of their arses and start thinking about what they're doing (or not doing) 😮

I agree with Robie.
For desktops that is.
I've tried quite a few Os/s but windows 98 still suits me best.
But for desktops the difference between os/s is very small.
Beos: good: fast, bad: not many apps, and plenty unstable apps
Linux: good: stable shell, fast, strong; bad X-Windows is very buggy piece of software and slow.
Windows: good compatibility, more apps than any other platform, stable( at least aqual to X-Windows), bad well ... microsoft 😉, you should pay for it ... tons of other reasons ...

It's just a matter of which bugs you can tolerate 😉

For portable devices:
I've played with different kind of devices this week and I must say that my symbian PDA(9210) slayed all the other devices 😊
The palm and pocket PC crashed 4 times and were sometimes even slower than my 9210 😊

For the moment I wouldn't swap my symbian for anything 😊
But I could use a real MSN and IE on it 😉

Microsoft are in a dominant position of the desktop sector because lets face it for a time there's probabl was the one of best OS for the ordinary user. That and commodotising the PC worked wonders for them (i.e. all boxes the same with the OS being the only thing making money).

They do not have the the best OS now (I would argue depending in application that OS X or some Linux derivative would be better). However they will maintain their position because they have a virtually monopoly. The monopoly also explains how they can make an 80% profit on an OS.

What is different in the Smartphone world is that they do not. There isn't really a monopoly yet (the markets is still young), but bviously intially its going to belong to Symbian. To overturn this Microsoft have to have a considerably better product. They do not. Almost anything you can do with an SPV you can do with the 7650 launched 6 months ago. The 2650 is going to be a similar price point to the SPV and will be condierably better (aside from being a better brand). The SPV's other problem is that its greatest percieved market - enterprise - is going to come under attack from the P800. The Series 60 range will beat it comfortably in the low end, and at the high end it wont cut it against the P800.

The SPV is rightly seen as a moderately good PDA, but a crap phone. This won't cut it. People expect smartphones to be good phones and then good PDA's (or at least I think the majority do). To be sucessful in this area the product has to be good. The Nokia 7650 works fast and without glitches. If the MS product is slow, unituitive and is buggy it has lost the fight before it begins. I've been reading a few groups and from what I can make out people think, yes it has the wow factor, but just isn't a mature system. Maybe in a years time they'll have something better, but then Symbian et al will be even further ahead.

Rafe

I would ditch windows in a second for any linux if it wasnt that I have to
use photoshop, Freehand & Pagemaker for my work.
There is GIMP to replace PhotoShop, but no really working publishing and
vector art softwares for Linux.
I am not using IE but Opera, no MSN meesenger, only ICQ, No M$ Office,
but OpenOffice. Only M$ product is OS. 😃

And for that:
[quote="Robbie"]
...Speak to the Network Admin and watch him laugh when you suggest using the funny penguin O/S on his/she network[/quote]

Never happened to me. 😃 :-?

I think Windows XP is quite good and have no reason to look at anything else... :-?

The reasoning is that my girlfriend has asked me much fewer questions, got much less p!ssed off using it than any other OS i've had. I've also had much fewer problems myself, which means I spend less time messing with an OS and more time programming).

I'm not saying that Microsoft products are right for everyone, but there are a lot of non-technical people out there who have absolutely no interest in becoming technical - these are the people MS appeal to most effectively

As for security issues - the more people you have looking for problems, the more you'll find. There are issues with security in Microsoft products but when balanced against useability, it levels out (at least for me).

Microsoft don't seem to be able to get things right outside the OS/ PC software arena though

The fact that they're charging developers so much to make software work on their phones looks like another nail in the coffin - it's fair to say that MS have only one business strategy which is proving to be incompatible with the phone market - they're not used to being anywhere but at the top and are subsequently acting like they are, while all the time getting their arses kicked by Nokia. I predict MS selling a lot of phones to start with, experienced phone users will get p!ssed off with the system and start bitching about the phones - It's then up to MS to learn from this or they will disappear as a phone company (my moneys on the disappearing - their track record of learning isn't too hot).

Xbox is another example - trying to throw money at a problem in a typical MS way, while Sony beat them with clever marketing and a better knowledge of the business.

After saying all that though - I wouldn't touch a Microsoft server with a barge pole. I am a techie who doesn't need the useablity so UNIX is the best choice by far.

[quote="Robbie"]As i have said beofre the bigger you are the more people want to try and pick faults. I on the other hand realise that if MS want to stay competive they have no move forward at great pace and yes sometimes they rush products slightly more than other companies but then again most comanies wait for MS to release and then 6 months later bring out there own products which are similar to MS.

If Microsoft was as bad as you all state they would go bust, no one would use them for network platforms or O/S or servers. In fact any company that can make a 80% profit on O/S alone out of a total sale of 2.6 billion must be doing something correct.[/quote]

MS haven't got where they are by producing good product, they got where they are by throwing money at the problems, ie. buy up the competition and onyl leave MS products. If anyone else comes along with a better product they get slaughtered!

As for MS producing products, very few of Microsofts products originated at MS, they see someone/company with a good product and then buy it (thus getting a product they can screw up AND getting rid of any competition in that market). It's how Gates got stared, he bought DR-DOS for $50,000 and then sold it as MS-DOS, then he "stole" windows from Xerox, bought WordPerfect (MS Word), bought datacalc? which became excel, etc....

As a Marketing company MS are brilliant, from the financial point of view they are brilliant (although somewhat lacking in morals & ethics) as an innovation company not so good, as a software company they are crap.

Just my opinion...

I think we may have gone a little off topic here, I agree that Windows is and proabably always be No.1 in the desktop PC.

But the issue here is the SVP or MS Smartphone.

[quote="Robbie"]As i have said beofre the bigger you are the more people want to try and pick faults. I on the other hand realise that if MS want to stay competive they have no move forward at great pace and yes sometimes they rush products slightly more than other companies but then again most comanies wait for MS to release and then 6 months later bring out there own products which are similar to MS.

If Microsoft was as bad as you all state they would go bust, no one would use them for network platforms or O/S or servers. In fact any company that can make a 80% profit on O/S alone out of a total sale of 2.6 billion must be doing something correct.[/quote]

You have to be joking? Another one who thinks M$ is a company like others trying to make a living! Well its not! Its much much deeper than that and there is not enough bandwidth to discuss this! They went to court and lost, this is not enough for some people I guess!

Do we start again that M$ issue?

Me does not understand the Reason. The proof is relevant, coz we all use M$ and Symbian..

J2theIZZO very vaid point and i am glad you have taken this to a conclusion. i am glad people have there own views.

[quote="JyriK"]I would ditch windows in a second for any linux if it wasnt that I have to
use photoshop, Freehand & Pagemaker for my work.
There is GIMP to replace PhotoShop, but no really working publishing and
vector art softwares for Linux.
I am not using IE but Opera, no MSN meesenger, only ICQ, No M$ Office,
but OpenOffice. Only M$ product is OS. 😃

And for that:
[quote="Robbie"]
...Speak to the Network Admin and watch him laugh when you suggest using the funny penguin O/S on his/she network[/quote]

Never happened to me. 😃 :-?[/quote]

GIMP Rulez 😊 I used it on my linux and still use it on my windows 😊 (ported version) It does all the things that Photoshop does (I assume *g*, loads of plugins for gimp) but it's free 😊

[quote="Robbie"]SwitchBlade for a gentleman and i use that term loosly who hates MS products so much it made me chuckle to see you use MSN messenger.[/quote]

I don't use MSN messenger, AIM or the normal ICQ client, they are all shite and windoze based. I use the service, not through choice, but neccessity a lot of friends use it, I personally have always favoured ICQ. As for the obvious hotmail address, I've not used it since M$ took the service over and ruined it.

As for your comment that an admin would laugh if you suggested using anything but windoze for a server OS, you'd better have a chat with my old university, only ONE server ran windoze and it fell over every week, good thing it wasn't a mission critical one. Anything important needed doing, the computers booted into linux and Solaris as well as windoze.

If you can't see the big picture, then why mock someone who can. I have one windoze installation on my laptop, this is for 2 reasons 1) games 2) for the poncing 9210 PC suite. I'm using the most stripped version of Win98Lite that you can, and it's used for purposes where obviously security isn't required. I couldn't care less if people love or hate windoze, it's shite from where I've used it, it's unstable and buggy. The best version was 3.11 and it's a shame that it isn't compatable with newer software.

Oh yeah, you mention using netscape over IE. In this day and age, with vulnerabilities coming out every other day, anyone still using IE and Outlook needs shooting.

yeah, GIMP is good, but PhotoShop 7 is heaven 😃
Still GIMP beats other pixel drawing programs 10-0.
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The contacts issue,how can you miss such an obvious thing.
I agree with Jizzo that we are off tipic and windows is number one in the desktop market.What about the server market.

[quote="Robbie"]Speak to the Network Admin and watch him laugh when you suggest using the funny penguin O/S on his/she network. [/quote]

I work as Network admin in a local ISP,i actually encuriage tech people to use *nix OSs.