Hi everyone
Here's something I thought about this morning whilst travelling to work.
If I got a dial up modem connected to my main PC (main PC already has an internet connection via VM cable) would it be possible to call my PC from my N95 get the modem to pick up the call and then supply the internet to my phone?
Not sure if this has any chance of working but since I get free landline calls (excluding 0845) 24-7 on Orange it would be a really nice option.
Nick
n_s_simpson wrote:Hi everyoneHere's something I thought about this morning whilst travelling to work.
If I got a dial up modem connected to my main PC (main PC already has an internet connection via VM cable) would it be possible to call my PC from my N95 get the modem to pick up the call and then supply the internet to my phone?
Not sure if this has any chance of working but since I get free landline calls (excluding 0845) 24-7 on Orange it would be a really nice option.
Nick
It should be possible, its just finding the right software to do it on the PC, im unsure if windows XP/Vista already has the tools to do this and accept calls then connect you through to the internet. I guess VPN would be the best way.
You would still be paying charges for the call from the PC and it would be slow. It's better to get a good data plan or use hotspots.
Anyway, i don't think it's possible at all. The N95 would not be able accept a call the use that for data. It just does not work that way. If the right software was written for the N95, then in theory it could be possible (anything is) but i think the network would also need to support it.
I think Quakester wants to call the PC from the phone,. Although this should be possible for a voice call, I don't think you can make a data call from the N95. It only seems to support voice calls over GSM, data (I think), is only available over packet data, eg GPRS, 3G, WLAN etc.
A data call over dial-up should work fine. Speed won't be great, but it will work.
However, the terms & conditions for the free minutes usually state that they cannot be used for data calls.
They are probably not tracking what the calls are being used for, but its not hard for them to find out. If you connect for long durations, then this may flag up on their system.
Anand
autopilot wrote:You would still be paying charges for the call from the PC and it would be slow. It's better to get a good data plan or use hotspots.
Hi, It would be free if the N95 initiated the call with my PC.
I realise that Orange would not be very happy if they found out 😉
Just seems like a possibility but wondered whether software was available to do such a thing.
Surely someone's thought of this before for symbian devices :con?
Nick
Good luck in getting it working, I'd be interested to hear if it works as a proof-of-concept but honestly I can't see it being practical as the speed would be, at best, dial up and it would be such a headache to get going youre better off just walking to a nearby hotspot.
The speed of data over gsm is about 9kbs so it'll be really slow, compared with GPRS - 43kbs and Dial up - 56kbs.
HoundDog wrote:The speed of data over gsm is about 9kbs so it'll be really slow, compared with GPRS - 43kbs and Dial up - 56kbs.
Is the speed over gsm that slow because of the line quality? I mean if it's making a connection with a 56k modem will they not be able to communicate at somewhere close to a normal landline modem rates?
It's nothing to do with the quality of the line, that's the max speed of a data call over GSM. It's actually 9.6kbs.
HoundDog wrote:It's nothing to do with the quality of the line, that's the max speed of a data call over GSM. It's actually 9.6kbs.
Oh, so would a standard PC modem work? How would it know to only negotiate this speed?
If it's just a series of toners between the two devices what exactly stops higher transfer rates out of interest?
Nick
After reading further I think it's the gsm modem within mobile phones are limited to 9.6k.
Also the data connection option is apparently missing from the N95 software so can't initiate a data connection anyway.
Is it not possible for a 3rd party bit of software to intercept the data tones and translate them rather than a modem. Am I being plain silly now?
Dial up modems can negotiate any line speed, it'll just run at the speed of the slowest connection.
n_s_simpson wrote:Hi, It would be free if the N95 initiated the call with my PC.
I don't think that's correct.
A DATA call is entirely different from a Voice call and you could not use inclusive (free) voice minutes for a data connection to your PC.
However, if you try it, please let us know and prove me wrong. 😉
how would nokia know the difference?
n_s_simpson wrote:how would nokia know the difference?
The reason you cannot get the higer speeds over GSM is that because the line is optimised for voice traffic.
As far as the network is concerned, a voice and data call are exactly the same thing. BUT... its not hard for them to find out that a call has data traffic.
Voice can be highly compressed, but this is not the case with data traffic over a voice channel. Data cannot be compressed to the same extent, so it may show up on their system as having a much higher bandwidth use.
This is just me speculating.. It could be possible that they are not doing this.
Well I am now having a conversation with Orange about internet access and apparently I have raised a few queries that has caused a debate in their HQ and someone is going to call me back.
On my phone I have two portals to access Orange:
1) Orange GPRS
2) OrangeWorld
Now just found out that I get free OrangeWorld access until end of July (£5/month after that).
I went online to try it, selected the OrangeWorld connection and my default webpage still loaded.
Now I just phoned Orange about this.
They are unsure because apparently the OrangeWorld selection goes through a different gateway and using that option doesn't charge you per MB (simply £5/month). I imagine that GateWay should block access to webpages outside OrangeWorld but it doesn't.
Now the customer services woman put me on hold for about 10 minutes. When she came back she said I've caused quite a big debate.
She's saying that according the their techie people people using this access point won't get charged.
My colleague at work uses this service on PAYG and says all webpages load and he gets no extra charges (simply £1 for 24 hours access).
Everyone in her office is saying this must be a mistake with the Orange service.
Orange also have the GPRS option which will charge you which is designed to be used outside OrangeWorld webpages.
So have a fell access a problem that means we'll all lose out? 😡
I'll keep everybody posted.
Nick
Okay had it confirmed...
For £5/month you can get unlimited evening and weekend browsing from an Orange mobile.
If you use the service within peak times then the most you'll pay per day is £1.50 on top of this.
That's not bad. Not quite as good as Web 'n' Walk but getting there.
Nick
n_s_simpson wrote:Okay had it confirmed...For �5/month you can get unlimited evening and weekend browsing from an Orange mobile.
If you use the service within peak times then the most you'll pay per day is �1.50 on top of this.
That's not bad. Not quite as good as Web 'n' Walk but getting there.
Nick
It's not as good as Web n Walk if you need anytime access, but I only ever need to have internet access on my N95 during offpeak hours, so this actually works out cheaper for me 😊
Nigma wrote:
As far as the network is concerned, a voice and data call are exactly the same thing. BUT... .
About 5 years ago, I tried to use my FREE O2 minutes to dial up a modem at work and was charged about �3 for a 10 minute call. I believe the networks can detect a data call, but maybe you are right and they don't bother now?
I can't understand what the Orange GPRS option is for.
They have another traffic on the web which is much more expensive.
Can anyone explain this to me?
Okay guys and gals I have more information...
Basically looking deeper into my phone the two options have two different access point names: OrangeInternet and OrangeWAP.
Now no one within Orange seems to know what I'm talking about here simply that it's free to access the web, blah blah blah.
I did my own research and found that the OrangeWAP connection is there to support the old original WAP enabled phones that can't access the web other than WAP enabled pages and look for this specific connection. Using this accesspoint with a phone that can will allow all pages to load too.
The OrangeInternet option is the new one there for newer phones that want high speed internet access to everything on the web.
Apparently Orange are one of the last companies still running the old WAP accesspoint and this is simply there for backward compatibility.
Not sure if this is 100% correct but it seems to make sense.
So it doesn't matter which I go for but from my understanding the OrangeInternet accesspoint is faster and coupled with having a 3G signal I did a test and seem to be getting speeds similar to the original 512mb broadband!!! That's amazing I think.
Nick
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Sorry for the above! My n95 lost all my post except the emoticon! To long to resubmit now! Maybe tomo!
Sorry for the above! My n95 lost all my post except the emoticon! To long to resubmit now! Maybe tomo!