Interested to watch OPK's keynote on the webcast. The video of Nokia's interface vision for next year more or less exactly matched my editorial from a few months ago: I've seen the future and it looks a lot like the iPhone. Watch this space for more analysis from Rafe and Ewan later today. After Nokia's video I detected a few laughs from people in the audience - the Apple copying was perhaps just too obvious?
Read on in the full article.
For those that didn't watch the webcast, I should explain that OPK showed a video of a next-gen interface 'they were working on'. It showed touch-screen media browsing, auto-rotation when the device was turned, animated transitions and even an old-style iPod scroll wheel to control it all.
I've never owned an Apple product in my life, but even I can see where they got most of this stuff from. Is it just me? I wonder if Nokia should expect visits from Apple's legal team this time next year?
Steve
the webcast is still available at http://www.nokia.com/press/goplay
it's after 7'30" in the openning speech of OPK
Here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFKyAMQPbmI
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/nokias-iphone-no-seriously/3#comments
I�d like apple to be f..... like anyone else, but this is an exact copy...lol
And when Nokia will release its pathetic copy, Apple will already be lightyears away. Nokia is the Microsoft of mobile phones. Poor copy for the masses.
This is the most embarrassing video I've ever seen. I won't purchase any more Nokia phones. Instead, I choose the original stuff.
Sure, Apple may be as far as having mms or even maybe custom ringtones ? How advanced.
I somehow see this as the evolution of series90, after all they did say they wouldnt give up the touch screen market when they discontinued series90, maybe thats what they had in mind, i dont see nokia and its almost 40% market share being afraid of an (so far) american only phone with limited capabilities.
>>This is the most embarrassing video I've ever seen.
Well, pretty embarrassing. I squirmed a bit in my seat when I saw how exactly Nokia was trying to copy Apple's photo browser. I don't think they should have shown that part of the video out of context, in the middle of the whole ovi/Music/N-gage launch....
Still, as I say, I predicted it a few months ago, as per the hyperlinked article.
I'm right, you know it, I always am 8-)
Steve
It was just a marketing propaganda. Nokia knows that Iphone will be coming to europe soon. They showed this so that people wont rush to buy iphone if better specification phone is coming soon.
Personally, my fervent prayer is that IF they implement a multi-touch interface on an e90 successor, it COMPLEMENTS THE (IMPROVED) KEYBOARD in the manner of the Psion 5/7/Revo/Netbook !
The touchscreen- only approach can work for media-centric handsets e.g.music, web,GPS and TV/VOD-optimised handsets BUT a Communicator is primarily a data entry and Office document creating,viewing and editing device and the onscreen keyboard/HWR should be a *additional option ONLY* and NOT a replacement for a proper physical keyboard!
Hang on a minute with all this "it's a copy..lol", "it's embarrassing" nonsense that people are spouting.
It is great, it is fanastic, and it is exactly what we want that Nokia copy Apple in this case. Surely you can all see the big picture here? (Obviously not). Look, we're not aiming for a world in which every manufacturer produces different features, user interfaces, etc to everyone else just for the sake of it. That's insane.
What we're aiming for is the mythical "perfect device" - regardless of manufacturer. So it's GREAT that Nokia copy Apple with the features of the iPhone that general consensus says, and that people instinctively know, are groundbreaking and the direction in which user interface etc. design should be going - i.e. in this case the very cool and very usable, and very intuitive multitouch screen features of the iPhone. To say Nokia should differentiate just so they avoid copying an obviously brilliant idea is just plain stupid and shortsighted quite frankly.
In fact the more different manufacturers that end up coming out with something like the "perfect device" the better, because then you have competition, and everyone wins.
Start putting aside your fanboyism, and manufacturer allegiances, and start realising that it's the end user that matters most of all, that they get the best possible product, features, price etc, and that that's going to be an evolutionary process with different ideas and strategies from different places all being copied and improved upon by different people.
Alex
CEO
phonething.com
Like Mr. vanjoki said in the press conference: "If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride".
Couldn't they just be using their iPhone to "throw some smoke" on competitors?
They said TS could come up in any formfactor.... right?
Even if they "copy" apple. what's the big deal? Aren't everybody always copying everybody? Samsung just presented a double way slide too...
LG has the prada....
Motorola had the V3 copied too..
Nothing's uncopiable, specially if it's good.
If apple now introduces mms, are they copying the rest of the manufacturers?
Let's wait and see...
It was inevitable that clueless phone makers will copy Apple user interface as it's the best as usual. But maybe the title of this article should be "Apple's interface vision for the future with Nokia label for fanboys" or something like this LOL
Hi MacBoy,
If you seriously think Nokia have just suddenly decided to create a touchscreen device just because of Apples iPhone you are seriously more deluded then most of the members of this forum already think you are.
S60 is a far more mature OS for mobile smart phones then Apples version of Mac's OS X is and likely to be for for some time to come. You can be pretty sure that next year when Nokia launch this touchscreen device running S60 it will have not just 3G, HSDPA, WiFi and all the other functionality found in our S60 devices that we are all used to and as well as wealth of apps available both free and paid for to allow users to customise their devices as they wish. Not of course forgetting the now announced OVI service to be launched soon which will of course improve yet again the user experience.
Apple may of been the first but other devices and especially Nokia's version will show what a real smart phone with a touch screen is capable of. I am also pretty sure it won't come locked to one Network and a 2 year contract either and will be allowed to be subsidized if taken out with a contract so will most probably be cheaper . Apple may of got a head start but once Nokia's device launches it will only show just how low spec the iPhone actually is. As hard as that may be for you to accept just wait and see where you iPhone is then.
Marc
Dogman: It takes ages for Nokia to copy the iPhone user interface. And I'm not quite sure that they are able to reproduce the smoothness of the iPhone UI. Just have a look at your S60 device 2D UI performance and then check iPhone's. It's not enough to copy the UI, they have to completely rething and rewrite the underlying APIs... It won't be easy for Nokia.
So, don't expect the Nokia iPhone anytime soon. And I don't think that during that time Apple will sit and wait until the competition catches up.
A phone maker with almost 40% of the market is clueless ? You couldnt have sounded like a clueless person more than you have, apple is no phone maker, it takes more than one phone to be a phone maker.
As for symbian's 2d ui ? well try running mac os x on a 220mhz cpu and then tell me about it, dont forget that symbian is mostly focused on asian and european markets where people actually bother learning what they use or even customize it, where people are also interested in advanced features no matter the cost. If they had any desire creating a feature less phone with just a nice interface, they would have done so at any time they wanted.
I think the mind-set change Nokia is making from being a hardware company (shipping phones) to an experience company (selling services) is a big threat to Apple and other companies (e.g Sony). The UI is only one component of this change. Nokia has the money and capability to dominante the next wave of information and entertainment services. Nokia could sell iPhone like devices at less than half the price of the iPhone to every country in the world...think about this...
@unregistered
Sorry but i didn't say it has to be the same as the iPhone why would it have to be it is going to be running S60 not Apple OS X. All that will be different is the fact it will use a touchscreen Nokia have already been using the carousel on various devices and continue to change and improve it to enhance the user experience. The new devices shown that are ready for launch have already advanced this concept to the next level, Do you seriously expect Nokia to stand still and not continue to evolve what their consumers want. Nokia's touchscreen device has no need to do everything in the same way as the iPhone i am am sure they will have their own twist on it's implementation. The way some people view the iPhone you would of thought there hasn't ever been a touchscreen device before.
If and when Apple start including the tech that most of us actually want or need to use it may step up from being a show off product and a toy to something truly useful as a business tool. As IMO currently it is just the most advanced iPod with some PDA functionality with web browsing and E-Mail and at it's current price and locking people into a 2 year contract is really not the most amazing device in the world by a long way, this is of course MO and doesn't have to be anyone else's especially not Mac boy's of course.
Marc
Dogman: please check the video we are talking about. It's an exact iPhone UI copy.
SymbiX: my N95 is slow and it would be slow on the 700MHz processor that powers the iPhone. And the battery life would be even worse.
Don't forget that Apple is downgrading here (downgrades their exisiting desktop operating system to a handheld with all of its advanced features (core graphics, core animation), while Nokia tries to upgrade its S60 user interface. It's no question that the former is much easier to do and I don't think that on the long run Nokia will be able to keep up with OS X. We are talking about the very first iteration of iPhone here...
@unregistered
Why has OS X on the iPhone not got Office Applications, quality PIM, MMS, 3G and 3.5G etc if the strategy that Apple is following is better than Symbian/S60? Also what happened to the A2DP?
Unregistered : Are you comparing n95 and its advanced features to the iphone with its very basic features and an unknown hardware as well ? How can that be ?
We know nothing about the iphone's hardware to compare it to any other phone for that matter. N95 is not perfect for sure, but I doubt iphone would have been as fast or as battery friendly as it is with all the features of n95 (for instance 3G is known to drain more battery than 2G and use more cpu as well), why don’t you just compare life battery to the e90's say or OS speed to series60 second edition (after all, that where the current iphone's features are at) ?
Point being that when you compare speed and battery, you need to compare almost the same hardware, assuming that your phone would be as slow when powered with a twice as fast cpu is your own opinion and not a fact backed up by some test you have managed to make.
Also, let’s keep in mind that symbian is not an OS made for one single phone and up until recently it wasn’t even a mainstream OS, apple on the other hand, created an easy and fast mainstream kind of phone, and as such it was optimized.
iPhone doesn't have 3G, GPS and Office application etc. because it's the very first iteration of the product.
For example, Apple has a word, excel, powerpoint compatible office suite (called iWork '08) for their desktops and it's just the matter of time they port it to iPhone.
SymbiX: I don't think that N95 is slow because of the GPS radio or 3G. I agree that these techonlogies are accountable for the terrible battery life, but if they don't have the proper techologies then they shouldn't include them.
I'm sorry Unregistered, but N95 is slow by who's standard ? yours ? then its obviously not good for you, i'm sure that all the websites, reviews and users that call it a fast device are not crazy and you are not the only one who knows better, its sales should also give you a hint.
By your way of thinking, anything not working near perfect, shouldnt be released, well, then the iphone shouldnt have been released too, because for instance, it lacks any other bluetooth profile but handsfree, if they dont have the proper technology, they should have removed bluetooth from it, oh wait, all operating systems crash, we shouldnt use them, all cars can fail, we shouldnt use them either.
iPhone doesnt have all those features because it would make it harder to use, more icons, more settings, less battery life, just because its first generation doesnt justify that, they have excluded standard features that all phones have and they could have implemented, its not like having a custom ringtone or copy - paste would require that much effort.
What I'm trying to say is that N95 user interface is slow (I called it 2d ui performance previously) compared to iPhone and I don't think that it's because of the GPS or the 3G. I'm sure that the underlying API's are not advanced enough to do the smooth UI action iPhone does. And I think the 700MHz iPhone ARM processor wouldn't improve the situation much in an N95.
(Mostly I develop user interfaces for applications for Symbian devices and if you take the trouble to pay a visit on forum-nokia discussion groups you will see by yourself that nobody likes the Symbian C++ api and nobody finds it fast or advanced. It needs an overhaul.)
I think the bluetooth is crippled by operator's request. The same is true for the ringtones. There are Nokia devices out there in the US without the ability to install applications on them. In the EU these devices works perfectly.
Unregistered : I actually do visit forum nokia very often, so dont assume i dont know how much developers complain, i am going to say again, that symbian is developed for a series of devices, rather than being optimized on one single device, therefore more attention was put on implementing features rather than optimizing performance and they are now catching up to that (symbian 9.5 for instance), if they didnt go that way, symbian would have been a disaster, because the european and asian markets care about the features more than anything.
I also cant believe that if the source code or an sdk was released for apple's adaptation of mac os x, developers wouldnt complain, there is no perfect os and there will probably never be one.
I've never heard of any nokia smartphone in the us not being able to install native applications, i wouldnt be surprised though, they seem to cripple most european phones anyway.
The original Nokia GoPlay does not play on my PC. I use IE6 with all the new plug-ins, but this Thomson player is something horrible - I resent to YouTube instead, but where's the whole OPK speech?:con?
I strongly agreed with Unregistered. He is right to say that the underlying API's of Symbian are not advanced enough. Unlike the OS X, Symbian is not an OS. Nokia and SE need to develop their own S60 and UIQ to make it work. This creates additional overhead that affects system performance.
For this reason, the Nokia N800 was based on Linux. If Nokia wants to compete with Apple, Linux may be the way to go for Nokia. Nokia has to compete with Apple on the software and more importantly, the seemless integration between hardware and software.