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Nokia Maps is so incredibly bad, I must be doing something wrong

14 replies · 9,792 views · Started 05 December 2007

Hi,

I'd like to hear about the experience of others with Nokia Maps on the E90 because so far I've found so bad that it's completely unusable for me. So I'm wondering if I'm not doing something wrong with it or if I misunderstood its purpose.

The first thing I did was to install the PC application and load all the maps I needed on the memory card that was supplied with the phone. That part was easy and painless. I liked the way countries were divided into regions so that you could only load the regions you actually needed to save space on the memory card. That's unfortunately the only good thing I've found about Nokia Maps.

My first problem with it is that I couldn't find any explicit way to switch on or off the GPS. It seems that Nokia Maps automatically connects to the GPS when it launches but it does so in the background without telling you anything and without giving any feedback about how the process is going on. So you never know whether you've got a GPS lock or not. There's this Satellite Info option in the menu but that just displays a list of numbers with bars which is like Chinese to me. I suppose that it's a list of all the satellites in sight and some sort of "signal strength" but it displays the same thing regardless of whether it's got a lock or not. So is there a way to monitor the progress of the GPS lock?

Regardless of whether Nokia Maps has a GPS lock or not, the bottom (or right) soft-key is labeled "GPS pos.". If you select it before a GPS lock was acquired, the application doesn't tell you that no GPS location is available. Instead, it just throws to a random location on the map (presumably to the last location where it had a lock the last time you used the app). Is it just me or is this completely stupid?

Even ignoring this completely random and confusing GPS behavior, the rest of the application isn't any better. Scrolling through the maps on the internal screen is so painfully slow that it makes the app pretty much unusable. On the external screen, scrolling is much faster but it still feels really sluggish and quite painful to use.

Another totally confusing "feature" is the way the route planner works. Whenever you plan a route, the list of turns is displayed on the screen. Fine. You can then switch to the map view. Fine. But when you actually want to start planning your route, things start to go wrong. The map view won't let you scroll at all. All you can do is jump from turn to turn. And zoom in or out above a turn. This means that you can't easily get a visual overview of the route you're going to take or, for example, find the street name of the last left turn before the one you're supposed to take. It all makes it very frustrating and pretty useless.

What I really don't get is that I installed Google Maps as well and it's so much better than Nokia Maps it's not even funny. How can Google get it so right and Nokia so wrong? The only problem about Google Maps is that it doesn't have an in-car navigation system which is why I'd still like to get Nokia Maps to work properly.

Apart from that, using Google Maps is a real pleasure. It zips through the maps with ease on both the internal and external screen, has a very simple and intuitive UI that never gets in your way and whenever things aren't quite obvious, helpful contextual help pops-up in a very nice non-obtrusive way and let you know what your options are. A solid and well thought out application.

So would you have any tricks to get Nokia Maps to work for me or is it just hopeless?

No you are right, its quite shocking.

The new firmware (7.40.xx.xx) has assisted gps, which gets you a lock on much quicker, but even still, its not as good as a tom tom (which is only 150quid now).

rather than being a 'power app' its very dissapointing, and a gimic to boost sales.

Ive only installed google maps 2 days ago, and even without using it for its purpose, its so much better!

I never got too annoyed as i have a tom tom for the car, anything less would be a compromise...

i tried to navigate a route once on the nokia, and gave up, i had a car full of people, and saved myself the embarrasment. Whipped out the tom tom and never tried again...

I agree - though having never had GPS before I've still found the program very useful - it helped me recently to find my way back to the house I was staying at (on foot) and the train station when I had to leave.

It doesn't make sense how it zooms into your last position when it hasn't yet locked onto the satellite, but it does at least tell you whether a lock has been achieved or not by the icon in the bottom right of the screen.

After hearing all this talk about google maps - I'm going to have to give it a try!

Duncan

I've upgraded to the latest firmware version (v 7.40) and the Maps application got a little upgrade.

On the plus side, there now is a progress indicator at the bottom right of the screen to show that it is trying to acquire a GPS lock. Makes it a lot less confusing for first time users.

The "GPS pos." soft key has disappeared for some reason. You now have to press 0 to go to the current GPS position. Maps' silly behavior in this regard hasn't changed though: if it doesn't have a GPS lock, it just throws you to a random location on the map (or more precisely, to the latest location where it had a GPS lock the last time you used the app).

On the negative side, Maps is still as slow as ever. Even slower than the previous version in fact. The previous version was so slow when scrolling on the internal screen that it was completely unusable there. On the external screen however, it was really sluggish but still kind-of usable. The new version is pretty much as slow on the external screen than it is on the internal one. You can forget exploring the surrounding area by scrolling around, it's hopeless.

Bit disappointed there.

google maps is excelent, the only thing it wont do is voice navigation, but im sure that might come given time...

when you are on foot, its great being able to switch between the satelite photography and road maps...

and the 7.40 firmware really makes the gps lock very quick, and if there is no lock, can normally locate you to within 2000meters.

i dont even load nokia maps now... the applciation is so slow in the scrolling when it is loading that its not useable at all....

elp wrote:Hi,

I'd like to hear about the experience of others with Nokia Maps on the E90 because so far I've found so bad that it's completely unusable for me. So I'm wondering if I'm not doing something wrong with it or if I misunderstood its purpose.

The first thing I did was to install the PC application and load all the maps I needed on the memory card that was supplied with the phone. That part was easy and painless. I liked the way countries were divided into regions so that you could only load the regions you actually needed to save space on the memory card. That's unfortunately the only good thing I've found about Nokia Maps.

My first problem with it is that I couldn't find any explicit way to switch on or off the GPS. It seems that Nokia Maps automatically connects to the GPS when it launches but it does so in the background without telling you anything and without giving any feedback about how the process is going on. So you never know whether you've got a GPS lock or not. There's this Satellite Info option in the menu but that just displays a list of numbers with bars which is like Chinese to me. I suppose that it's a list of all the satellites in sight and some sort of "signal strength" but it displays the same thing regardless of whether it's got a lock or not. So is there a way to monitor the progress of the GPS lock?

Regardless of whether Nokia Maps has a GPS lock or not, the bottom (or right) soft-key is labeled "GPS pos.". If you select it before a GPS lock was acquired, the application doesn't tell you that no GPS location is available. Instead, it just throws to a random location on the map (presumably to the last location where it had a lock the last time you used the app). Is it just me or is this completely stupid?

Even ignoring this completely random and confusing GPS behavior, the rest of the application isn't any better. Scrolling through the maps on the internal screen is so painfully slow that it makes the app pretty much unusable. On the external screen, scrolling is much faster but it still feels really sluggish and quite painful to use.

Another totally confusing "feature" is the way the route planner works. Whenever you plan a route, the list of turns is displayed on the screen. Fine. You can then switch to the map view. Fine. But when you actually want to start planning your route, things start to go wrong. The map view won't let you scroll at all. All you can do is jump from turn to turn. And zoom in or out above a turn. This means that you can't easily get a visual overview of the route you're going to take or, for example, find the street name of the last left turn before the one you're supposed to take. It all makes it very frustrating and pretty useless.

What I really don't get is that I installed Google Maps as well and it's so much better than Nokia Maps it's not even funny. How can Google get it so right and Nokia so wrong? The only problem about Google Maps is that it doesn't have an in-car navigation system which is why I'd still like to get Nokia Maps to work properly.

Apart from that, using Google Maps is a real pleasure. It zips through the maps with ease on both the internal and external screen, has a very simple and intuitive UI that never gets in your way and whenever things aren't quite obvious, helpful contextual help pops-up in a very nice non-obtrusive way and let you know what your options are. A solid and well thought out application.

So would you have any tricks to get Nokia Maps to work for me or is it just hopeless?

Besides being really horrible application, MokiaMaps is a "rental" application (one has to pay for the voice navigation for a week, month, etc.)

Nokia does not understand the world we live in - i.e. people do not want to rent - they want to own. That is the reason I own TomTom 6 (the Greatest in Navigation) and do not mind using external Bluetooth GPS.

Although I agree that Nokia Maps is a quite immature piece of software, surely you lot are being overly critical...

I just bought a 30 day license the other day (after using the free 3 day trial) and I find it perfectly useable. It only takes a few seconds to get a lock, and the navigation is fairly accurate. I haven't had any 'wild rides' thus far... :tongue:

As to the comparison with Google maps... Yes, Google maps is great, but there is no voice navigation and you have to be constantly connected to a data connection. If I were to use Google maps for navigation, I would go broke in a couple of months...

And as to the critique of having to pay for the navigation features in Nokia Maps; I would be just as upset if we were talking big money... But a month worth of full navigation costs less than a pack of cigarettes, so...

Btw., anyone thinking that Nokia's own 6110 Navigator is any better... - Forget about it! Although the software used in the 6110 is better, it takes forever to lock on to the satellites! 😡 I enjoy using the E90s GPS feature a hell of a lot more. 😊

the gps lockon is only good with A-gps.

out of the box, the device is very poor in this respect. I dont think its overly critical in the sense that all the nokia site flash animations show you semlessly buzzing around nicely coloured streets as a big cosy dot thing, all happy.

the reality is you take your phone out your pocket, the applciation fires up, takes age to get a lock on. Charges you to get voice navigation, and even then is no where near as good as a tom tom.

Im not putting the e90 in the docks on trial for cirmes against satelite navigation, but it is a poor application, which at times is unbereably slow.

how much cheaper would the e90 have been without the cost of gps and the software? or for the same cost, develeop slightly better functions for the interface for the rest of the phone, or perhaps other hardware options?

ScottE90 wrote:the gps lockon is only good with A-gps.

out of the box, the device is very poor in this respect.

Mine did come with Assisted GPS out of the box. All the devices sold now does. I know that the first batch didn't though.

My point is simply that I don't find the feature unusable at all. Maybe my expectations were lower than yours? I dunno. All I know, is that the E90 is a joy to use for GPS compared to the 6110, because I always get a satellite fix in a couple of seconds, and I even get a lock-on inside my house - again, unlike the 6110.

I also don't mind the charges, as they aren't that high (IMO). And I would think any E90 owner surely would be able to afford them...

I would like to join to Raven,

The E90 maps is useful. I did not by th E90 to use in may car, but I've tried yesterday. It worked like a charm with voice guidance.
I took one of my clients address from contacts and the map app found it in 2 sec.

Please give one more chance guys, the e90 is not a car navigation system it's a communicator, however I've used it as a car nav yesterday without any problem.

Cheers,

I noticed another improvement in the latest version of Maps yesterday: whenever you plan a route, Maps now lets you scroll freely on the maps instead of forcing you to jump from turn to turn. There also is an option to keep the map heading North, which makes it much easier to have an idea of how your route is going to look like when scrolling around.

I noticed when using the Map Loader application to load some new maps that there was a new version of Map Loader (version 1.3) and new versions of maps. After having download and reloaded all my maps (which I had to do twice as the first time around Maps refused to use the maps on the memory card and kept downloading them over-the-air), I noticed that the new maps (or at least the Northern Ireland one) had loads of new POI. Maps, at last, doesn't send me all the way down to Dublin, 200 km away, for the nearest shopping center. Loads more pubs and restaurants too.

I've also read that there was a 3 days trial of the Navigation feature a few days ago (why, oh why doesn't Maps even tell you about this?) so I decided to give the car nav feature a go. Assisted GPS works very well indeed with a lock being acquired a mere few seconds after the application started. It can even acquire a lock indoors. Navigating worked fairly well although Maps never took me through the fastest routes. I always got there at the end though, which is the whole point I suppose. It also was able to re-calculate the route in just 4 or 5 seconds every-time I took a wrong turn.

There is one occasion in which Maps got completely lost. I was is a residential area and Maps sent me to the complete opposite direction to where I should have gone and drove me straight into a dead-end. It then got completely confused and refused to give me any more direction until I managed to get back on the main road at which point Maps started to work again.

Voice guidance was very loud and clear but irritatingly choppy even though Maps was the only application running.

Overall, it wasn't such a bad experience. I'm slowly starting to warm up to this Maps application. What's for sure is that you do need to spend quite a while playing with it in many different situations before you start to get the hang of it The UI is far from being intuitive, particularly for those who have never used a sat nav before, and the extreme sluggishness, especially when scrolling, doesn't help.

Now if they could fix the pathetically slow scrolling problem and at least display the shortcut keys in the menus so that we're not left having to guess what key does what, they would actually have a fairly decent application.

I must admit the cost of the subscription for the navigation for 3 years doesn't seem too much. What i want to know is how you pay. Does it get charged to the mobile account (my boss wouldn't be happy 'cause I have a work phone), or is it a credit card? Also, what if I need to change to a different phone 'cause this one dies? Is it going to be transferrable?

Mike

Hi guys,

Im having a little play with my new..ish E90 and just require one answer to one simple question which is giving me a headache.
which access point do i need to apply for my nokia maps app to work?

Thanks in advance,

Google Map and Google Earth 22.308600, 114.170520 shows junction of Kansu Street and Temple Street (男人街)。

Google Map and Google Earth 22.305450, 114.169760 shows junction of Jordan Road and Temple Street (男人街)。

Google Map and Google Earth 22.319510, 114.170540 shows junction of Argyle Street and Tung Choi Street (女人街)。

Google Map and Google Earth 22.315570, 114.171330 shows junction of Dundas Street and Tung Choi Street (女人街)。

But the same co-ordinate on my Nokia Map E90 shows elsewhere for all the location above.

Thank you.

I would definitely recommend an upgrade to the Nokia Maps 2.0 from Nokia Beta Labs, it seems a lot better.

I don't drive, but I used Nokia maps once with the free trial to assist a friend in getting us to a party in another city and it locked on in under ten seconds, located our destination within a few yards.

The application is a little convoluted, and I only really use it now and again, but I don't hate it or anything.

When I'm on my bike I use Nav4all as it's free and simple to use without having to look at the screen. It also locks on immediately. I'm sure Google Maps will join forces with Nav4all, or perhaps release their own version soon, but then
I don't imagine that multi-layered satelite images of ONE country never mind the world would be easy to squeeze onto a memory card.
Remember for long journeys constant data downloading over 3g will kill the battery on your phone. GPS alone with maps on a memory card is not too strenuous on the battery.