Nokia n95 BLACKLISTED!

There's not much help we can offer. Comes with the territory when buying from ebay. Depending on how you paid, you might get recourse that way (thinking paypal refund or credit card, as known fraud) .

Sell it abroad. It will work anywhere apart from UK. But of course inform about it in auction.

The right thing to do would be to take it to the police, the true owner obviously valued it enough to have it black listed. So do what is right and let it find it's rightful owner. You can still recover your losses via the fraud methods available either with PayPal, or your credit card company, so it's no loss to you other than the effort required to follow up on it all. The upshot is that if the owner doesn't recover the phone after a few months, then the Police will give the phone back to you, this time it will legally be yours for as long as you possess it.

After this you could just visit a little stall somewhere and have them change your IMEI in exchange for a little cash.

Would debranding help? if you loose all the operators software it might work. Just a thought!!!

No, definetly would not help, because the blocking is by IMEI. I am happy that you have such a thing and would be even happier if it was everywhere, because it would blow the market for stolen phones. I just hate those guys.

To the OP:
Eat the bitter pill, do something for your karma and hand it to the police - or to the operator. What can you do with it now anyway...

Regards,
PM

Hi Sam-1990

Sorry for your bad news but going to the Police is the best option especially as you can't get hold of the seller, and to be honest f it has taken 150 days to be barred. The seller is the person likely to have now reported it stolen and is trying to claim on Insurance after having sold it. At least this way they won't get away with it as the last time i was in a Police station they have up warnings about reporting phones lost or stolen that aren't and the fact it is Insurance Fraud and a crime. I really doubt Pay Pal will act after this long either and possibly the same for the Credit card company, just how many feedback's did the seller have? as to lose all trading on E-Bay seems a bit bizarre for one sale. But do report them to the Police as they and the Insurance company should take action, unfortunately only the original purchaser of the device can get it unbarred by 02.

Marc

I'd also ask O2 to look at the previous persons account. They can tell which IMEI their Sim card has been attached to so can easily see if the person has sold it and waited before trying to claim it was lost or stolen.

If it has been 150 days, they will see that the last time it was used was 150 days ago, and as it has to be reported lost/stolen within 24 hours thats the proff that phone companies tend to use.

That will at least invalidate their insurance claim, and mean that they don't profit from the escapade/.

Here's my take on this-
You ahve had the phone for 5 months and during that time you have been using it.
It presumably has taken that long for the original owner (we can't be sure it was the seller, but it would seem so!) to report it stolen and have it's IMEI blocked.
If this has been done recently then O2 will have the reporters name and address.
If the phone was purchased in good faith by you and subsequently the seller decides they want to bar your use then that could be construed as fraud on a number of levels.
Contact O2 and ask why the IMEI was blocked and if they refuse then tell them you are reporting the issue as fraud and will mention their lack of co-operation.
O2 should have noted all the information about the matter and they will be able to see that you have used the phone (assuming a contract usage) for the past 5 months.
If you can prove you bought the phone and show that the blocking of the IMEI was suspiciously like a fraud you could show you are the rightful legal owner!

I would say it comes down to proof of the sale. Gather EVERYTHING related to the sale (including downloading the ebay page before it runs past the 6 month period and stops being available). If you can prove that that phone with that IMEI was sold to you, then you have much better grounds for support from the Police etc

Guys, be realistic:
1) after such a long time neither Paypal, nor Credit card company (which won't do anything anyway, it's not their business - they paid to paypal, not to the seller) will refund your money
2) All the effort and time (and it's gonna be a lot!) that you will put in finding the rightful owner will be completely wasted because the phone won't be unbarred (there was a thread here a while ago about someone who thought that lost their phone and then found it after blocking it). So it will be completely useless for you and for the previous owner. This way both of you will loose.
3) Such a long time before barring means that phone was bought on different network than yours, which will mean even more complications.

Seriously man (and all you rightful ones here!), IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR MONEY BACK (and only then!) just sell it abroad STATING WHAT'S WRONG with it, this way at least you will have clean consience (of course if you didn't know what you're buying 😉 ) and won't loose too much. It won't make any difference to the previous owner anyway and the phone won't get lost in police warehouse or will be sold on police auction.

If you paid by credit card, you may have purchase insurance that covers it for some period of time - makes no difference that it was purchased from eBay (I know, I've gotten money back for an eBay purchase).
If not, sell it abroad - the only way you'll avoid wasting a lot of time, effort and money.
Good luck - and never buy new phones on eBay.

rottie wrote:Guys, be realistic:
1) after such a long time neither Paypal, nor Credit card company (which won't do anything anyway, it's not their business - they paid to paypal, not to the seller) will refund your money
2) All the effort and time (and it's gonna be a lot!) that you will put in finding the rightful owner will be completely wasted because the phone won't be unbarred (there was a thread here a while ago about someone who thought that lost their phone and then found it after blocking it). So it will be completely useless for you and for the previous owner. This way both of you will loose.
3) Such a long time before barring means that phone was bought on different network than yours, which will mean even more complications.

Seriously man (and all you rightful ones here!), IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR MONEY BACK (and only then!) just sell it abroad STATING WHAT'S WRONG with it, this way at least you will have clean consience (of course if you didn't know what you're buying 😉 ) and won't loose too much. It won't make any difference to the previous owner anyway and the phone won't get lost in police warehouse or will be sold on police auction.

Being realistic, if I had had a fraud committed against me I would persue it as hard and as vigorously as I could in order to retrieve the situation.
'Shrugging shoulders' and 'selling abroad' is not something I would allow a fraudster to make me do.
If a fraud has been committed then it should be reported and all involved should act to apprehend the fraudster. Otherwise he/she's still going to do it again.

Something similar happened to me on ebay too. I managed to find out from a Carphone Warehouse operator on the phone that the handset had been stolen from them some months previously but they would not confirm in writing or give me a crime ref no and certainly showed no interest in getting it back.

I'm probably going to get a phone with a smashed screen and put one good one together from the two.

andykn wrote: certainly showed no interest in getting it back.

I once bought a phone from a local paper. Went to the sellers house, paid cash, walked away. Phone worked fine for 2 days and then the dreaded SIM registration failed or something. Called Orange who said the IMEI had been reported Lost/Stolen. Right, thats just f**kin great. Suggested to them that the seller had done this intentionally to get a new phone on the insurance (it was free then with contract Orange) which would be fraud. They werent interested at all. Contacted local police, again, not interested as too hard to prove. Eh, how hard can that be?

Anyways, trip back to the guys house with a baseball bat soon had my money back.

I just counted my chickens (and him his teeth on the floor) and lesson learnt.

I have sold several phones on Ebay as a good seller, would never rip anyone off like that.

I have only ever bought one phone from Ebay though but the sellers history went back at least 2 years, most of which was mobiles (he seemed to buy and then sell on) so if he was a scammer I guess he wouldnt of been on Ebay for that length of time.

Just put it down to experience, which I know is hard. Cut your losses by selling the phone abroad as suggested to lessen the blow.

Steve

I've bought my 6600 and N70 off ebay and they've both been perfect. Maybe I was lucky.

My N95 was blacklisted a couple of weeks ago too though. Thankfully I bought it at a shop in town so all I had to do was take it back and they ordered a new one for me, which I use now. Also, because its a new phone, it came with a brand new 12 month warranty on it (despite the fact I had the old phone for 5 months).

I deliberately bought the phone from a shop because of the trouble that there was on eBay. Granted it was a little more expensive but well worth it.

Whenever I've upgraded my phone I've always sold the old one on eBay. Go for the cheap new and sell the old one, means you actually make money upgrading your phone.

With my N95, I actually bought it off eBay, as I couldn't wait until the end of my contract (18 months, never again!!) I'd still have my N73 if I was waiting. but got the N95 in April.

It took two purchases to get one, the first one, I sent the money by PayPal and the guy emailed me and said that the phone is in fact locked to T-Mobile. I thought 'here we go...', anyway he offered my money back and it arrived the next day. So bought another phone that day and the guy corriored the phone to me, I got it 2 hours later at a £5 delivery charge.

So eBay isn't always bad...

Is there anyway you can find out if a phone has been blacklisted for sure??, as im having a few problems with my N95 ive bought from ebay and am now woundering if its been blacklisted

I have replied to your question on your own thread Lettuce so I'll await your answer

Selling abroad is both misinformed and simply condoning theft in these specific instances.

What is blocked in the UK doesn't just stay blocked in the UK. The blacklists can and do filter out to the rest of the world. Yes, I would buy a plane ticket and hunt you down. 😊

Thats incorrect..for now
Blocked phones in the UK do >not< filter out to the rest of the world...sometimes in Europe especially Spain but most countries are not yet "connected"

If I had a blocked phone, then I would sell it abroad - while I'm not condoning theft or fraud, I still LEGALLY paid my �400 for an N95 Black.
If I get that money back, I'll happily give the owner the phone back... their call... failing that, it gets sold to someone in Africa or Asia where they sell for a lot more than here!

dchky wrote:Selling abroad is both misinformed and simply condoning theft in these specific instances. 😊

Because the phone is still being passed on. If blocked phones are still sold on, even to other countries, then blocking them just doesnt become as effective.

Demand is greater if they can be used again.

Having said that Id do the same if I was in the same situation, assuming the police couldnt be bothered. But it still stands to reason that if blocked phones were totally useless, less would get stolen. I daresay the insurance scam would still be going on.

If there was a global blacklist, my betting is less phones would be stolen.

Pheonix SZ wrote:How is it condoning theft exactly ?
The OP's been the victim of theft and is selling it where it WON'T be blocked.
I call that a perfectly acceptable/moral way of offsetting his losses.

The right place for a stolen phone is the police station.

Not you or any other person on the planet can ever be certain the IMEI wont find its way on to a world wide blacklist - and yes, one does exist.

That is why it condones theft. It may be one step removed, but selling stolen property is selling stolen property and can land you in court or possibly jail.

dchky wrote:The right place for a stolen phone is the police station.

Not you or any other person on the planet can ever be certain the IMEI wont find its way on to a world wide blacklist - and yes, one does exist.

That is why it condones theft. It may be one step removed, but selling stolen property is selling stolen property and can land you in court or possibly jail.

If everyone reported blocked phones (be it nicked or insurance fraud) to the police -and ebay - then the use of those phones would go down. I.e. people wouldnt be so ready to nick them/block them again if they got caught doing it before.

Granted it takes the police to do something, and in the case they dont you may as well sell the phone abroad.

But if they always get reported rather sold straight off, I daresay there would be a reduction in phone theft.

The point is with this, it got sold to you, so you can always report who did it.

Hello !

With the NSS (Nemesis Service Suite) you can change the IMEI data (Phone info => Permanent memory => Read => IMEI => Write)

I think it's not legal, so you have to confirm that :?: :con?

Ciao 😉

No its not legal, and thats wrong. It just changes the product code.

changing the imei as got to be illegal b/c you need to change to a active imei which is probably already the property of some one or some company.
i could be wrong but just what i think