Been hearing so much good things about this phone and very intersted to get one.
The reason I ask this is that I dun know whether I should buy the Nokia 7650 or SE P802.
Recently I buy a S55 from Germany and I found out it is below my expectation compare to my SL45, so I dun want to make the same mistake again and further more it is very expensive.
Please help me to make up my mind, Thanks
I would not buy it right now,to many bugs and mising features (Browse the forum for more).
Maybe later on if SE decides to do something about it in a next firmware release.
Thanks Gostdog, I guess i can wait..............
I do have the experience before with my PDA and phones so I will wait a little while.............
Does it come wit the memory stick?
Yes, it comes with MEmory Stick, but only 16 M
There's talk that SE will bring new versions and sel them directly on the USA sometime in February. I spoke to SE and they said it is true that it should come in Feb but the person I spoke to was not sure if it was going to be sold directly or if a carrier would pick it up (no carrier has yet)
I agree with Ghost Dog, wait, but DO NOT buy the Nokia, you will regret it. It has no Mem card, no touch screen and not enough memory to be compete with the P800. The communicator is a better deal, but you need a bag to carry that one, and at that level I rather have an IBook.
Be patient. We are all waiting...(well, some of us are)
The 16mb is on a memory stick ? No internal memory ?
[quote="simply258"]The 16mb is on a memory stick ? No internal memory ?[/quote]
12 megs of internal memory, plus the mem stick duo (a 16 meg duo is supplied with the unit).
I dont see the touch screen as a big advantage but i see the 7650 joystick as one.
If you can live with 7650's memory limitation (4MB) buy it.
But i'd choose wating,SE might do something to improve the p800,CEBIT is near by,so new things might pop up.
you should have bought an SL55.... thats your problem. 😊
with regards to the phone, its the best phone/pda on the market.. if thats what you are looking for, get it. sure, there are bugs.. what software doesnt have bugs though? if you are in the market for a high end mobile phone, this is the way to go..
[quote="rob"]you should have bought an SL55.... thats your problem. 😊
with regards to the phone, its the best phone/pda on the market.. if thats what you are looking for, get it. sure, there are bugs.. what software doesnt have bugs though? if you are in the market for a high end mobile phone, this is the way to go..[/quote]
I will say only one thing about this SL55 being best issue.
That is the funnies thing i've heard in months,last one was,SL55 p800 killer 😃
Not Symbian,too small,reminds me of neonode 😃
[quote="GhostDog"]I would not buy it right now,to many bugs and mising features (Browse the forum for more).
Maybe later on if SE decides to do something about it in a next firmware release.[/quote]
Why wait? You can already enjoy the device, and you can get free firmware-upgrades later on!
Ghostdog,
Will you please stop your BS about the P800 being buggy. I very much doubt you've even seen one, let alone tried it for yourself. I own the P800 and I just sold my N7650(not a big loss compared to the P8), and I can assure you that the P800 has a far more stable software than the N7650!
I have never encountered a better running device than the P8! It's very fast and stable and handles multi-tasking like a dream. My suggestion is; BUY IT NOW!!!!!!!!
So, Ghostdog, the first rule of flaming should be that you've at least tried out the device you're flaming. Don't believe in hearsay!
Cheers.
I've owned a t68, It whas slow and buggy. But I've never experinced a more handy, and easy to use phone. Whell i totally forgot, my p800, works like a charm, looks like one. Speed is good, (only 1. firmware) Can't imagine the upgrades 😊. And there a 3 good reasons furtermore to buy it.
Tired of running around with : your Mp3, Palm, Digital camera and you cell ?? Why don�t u have it all in one unit?. I know the cam isn't wery good, but to capture the friends i silly moments, it perfectly gets the job done.
And as u say there is no t9 no bla bla bla. Look at it, it has been "released" for 1 month, Already 10+ pieces of software is aval. So I would wonder if there isn't a geek who combine the n7560 T9 into the p800.
i got it so i changed my mind.....R1B and its has absolutly no bugs
[quote="Raven"]Ghostdog,
Will you please stop your BS about the P800 being buggy. I very much doubt you've even seen one, let alone tried it for yourself. I own the P800 and I just sold my N7650(not a big loss compared to the P8), and I can assure you that the P800 has a far more stable software than the N7650!
I have never encountered a better running device than the P8! It's very fast and stable and handles multi-tasking like a dream. My suggestion is; BUY IT NOW!!!!!!!!
So, Ghostdog, the first rule of flaming should be that you've at least tried out the device you're flaming. Don't believe in hearsay!
Cheers.[/quote]
I'm talking about facts here,not hearsay.
I'm talking about reviews and opinions from respected websites.
Hearsay would be exactly what you are doing.
BTW: i like the p800 and i dont know why do you think i'm flaming,but firmware far more stable then the 7650?
What are you talking about?
The first commercial firmware for the 7650 v 3.12 had one major bug,memory full,and some smaller bugs or missing features like SMTP authentication,logs listing kind of slow which were all resolved in v 3.16 and later firmware releases.
I really cant say that it is the same with the p800.
It has loads of bugs and missing features,if you have bothered to read most of the posts here you would've known for yourself.
If you have read my post i said that there are lots of bugs and missing features and if the member wanted to know more about it he/she shoud browse the forum and learn about it on his own and decide on his own whether he might live with p800's downsides or not.
You are pleased with P800 performance? That is great,but dont confuse people that are asking for facts with statements of the type:Bugs? Missing Features? Naah!
All the best!
Ghostdog,
I'm confusing people? I'm talking about first-hand experience here, which you're obviously not(since you haven't even tried one for yourself)!
What are the bugs you're talking about here? Missing features? - That's highly subjective. I very much prefer the OS to be as cut down and open as possible, allowing me to have more free memory so I can choose for myself which features I wan't to add by installing 3'rd party applications.
Of course it is not perfect, but nothing in this world is. But I can tell you(having owned the P800 for more than a month) that I have not encountered any important "bugs/flaws/whatever".
It is by far the most stable and well-performing device(PDA-phone/smartphone) out there at this point in time! You don't believe me?-TRY IT FOR YOURSELF and get back to me! And this is not just MY opinion. If you check the Esato forums or the My-symbian forums, you'll see ALOT of ppl who actually owns the P800 being more than happy with it. Of course we may encounter some crashes etc. from time to time (not often!), but so does the 9210 and 7650 as well(check the forums), and they've been out for quite some time, and been through several firmware updates already.
Lurking around this forum, telling ppl not to buy the P800 because you've HEARD it has some bugs, is in really bad taste IMHO!
Read this thread for more info on the infamous P800 "bugs", and you'll see that most of the problems ppl are experiencing are just coming from not having read the manual properly, or the infamous "missing features" which will(and should IMO) be delt with by 3'rd part apps.
LINK: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1004
Cheers.
On behalf of the SL55 subject that someone brought up; that is not even a smartphone! Just a small, regular cell-phone, and AFAIK it's not even out yet...
[quote="Raven"]Ghostdog,
I'm confusing people? I'm talking about first-hand experience here, which you're obviously not(since you haven't even tried one for yourself)!
What are the bugs you're talking about here? Missing features? - That's highly subjective. I very much prefer the OS to be as cut down and open as possible, allowing me to have more free memory so I can choose for myself which features I wan't to add by installing 3'rd party applications.
Of course it is not perfect, but nothing in this world is. But I can tell you(having owned the P800 for more than a month) that I have not encountered any important "bugs/flaws/whatever".
It is by far the most stable and well-performing device(PDA-phone/smartphone) out there at this point in time! You don't believe me?-TRY IT FOR YOURSELF and get back to me! And this is not just MY opinion. If you check the Esato forums or the My-symbian forums, you'll see ALOT of ppl who actually owns the P800 being more than happy with it. Of course we may encounter some crashes etc. from time to time (not often!), but so does the 9210 and 7650 as well(check the forums), and they've been out for quite some time, and been through several firmware updates already.
Lurking around this forum, telling ppl not to buy the P800 because you've HEARD it has some bugs, is in really bad taste IMHO!
Read this thread for more info on the infamous P800 "bugs", and you'll see that most of the problems ppl are experiencing are just coming from not having read the manual properly, or the infamous "missing features" which will(and should IMO) be delt with by 3'rd part apps.
LINK: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1004
Cheers.[/quote]
I forgot to mention in my previus post that i have tried the p800 (3 days ago)
Of course,dont have much expirience with it as you,and i respect that but i still believe that there are major issuess to be solved.
I will mention only few because i cant be botherd to browse the forum again: No delivery reporsts,faulty loudspeaker with large number od devices,when headphones are pluged and phone rings you will have hard time hearing it,something with mp3 playback,cant remember right now.
If you browse this forum,you will find more.
Once again,i'm not flaming the p800,i like the device and if SE does something about it in next firmware relases i would be more then pleased to own one.
But for now,i'll keep my money in my piggy bank 😃
Dear Gostdog and Raven,
After reading both your comments and opinions I�m truly glad that this is an active forum and both of you do have some points.
I am living in Shanghai now and have owned many �gadgets� to experienced to the joy and problems thts comes wit it. I will want to buy a P802 if it is a �useful� device for me. I owned a Casio E125 before; it was part of my life until I realized I only use it for contacts and some expenses record. So I bought a SL45 which does part of the work, made phone call and a paper note pad (which is lighter and do not required charging) to write down my expenses.
Then I saw this Nokia 7650, which can do the entire task I wanted (ofcos look better and smaller then the pocket pc phone edition), was planning to buy it and found out tht SE P800 is a better device. Now I�m in the cross road, one hand the Nokia 7650 have more application (FREE!) and SE P802 is still very new but more memory, I�m sure there will be more applications soon for P802.
At the moment I�ll wait cos it cost more then RMB 7000.00 (USD 850.00) and the after sales support in China is not that good. So I better get a later version, which might be cheaper and �Stable�.
Anyway����..you guys are great�if anything goes wrong wit it I know where I can get help.
if u willing to endure more.. if i not wrong 3G will be active at end of this year. so jus buy and try out... the most important that i always consider of buying a phone is their service center
I bought mine from HK-mobile.com for 695 euros, EMS shipping included.
It's a wonderful device ! It does everything, and GPRS email/net surfing is great !
I do have one critic however, one handed phoning is not very easy.
But that seems to be the case with every phone...
those of you who are talking about bugs on the P800 really don't know what you're talking about because you obviously don't own one let alone see one. i got my P800 from my connection in Indonesia and let me tell you, it is the best phone ever. I've not encountered any bugs so far. The only downside that i'm experiencing right now is that the Memory stick Duo hasn't come out yet so i'm stuck with 12mb + 16mb of memory. i doubt that the p800 is going to be on sale in the US or Canada in February. If you want one now, go to ebay. The price for it should be around $850-$900. I got mine for $850. if someone is selling it for way below that, be careful. Oh, the digital camera is great too, but there's no flash so it's useless in dark places...
What about motorola paragon II.
The predicted release date (US only) is 1st April.
It takes some kind of SD cards. Thats unusual, a device that appears to use normal memory cards that come in all capacities, are available NOW, and are much cheaper than Sony's own memorysticks.
Also 65.000 Colours instead of the already out of date 4096 colours.
Mind you I believe release dates when I see the product now. I used to believe people, but no longer.
That said, if I ever see a P800 in the UK this year I will probably be so exited that I will immediately buy it.
[quote="marspball"]those of you who are talking about bugs on the P800 really don't know what you're talking about because you obviously don't own one let alone see one. i got my P800 from my connection in Indonesia and let me tell you, it is the best phone ever. I've not encountered any bugs so far. The only downside that i'm experiencing right now is that the Memory stick Duo hasn't come out yet so i'm stuck with 12mb + 16mb of memory. i doubt that the p800 is going to be on sale in the US or Canada in February. If you want one now, go to ebay. The price for it should be around $850-$900. I got mine for $850. if someone is selling it for way below that, be careful. Oh, the digital camera is great too, but there's no flash so it's useless in dark places...[/quote]
Well,my father did not encounter any bugs on v 3.12 (Nokia 7650),he used the phone just for making calls.
[quote="marspball"]What about motorola paragon II.
The predicted release date (US only) is 1st April.
It takes some kind of SD cards. Thats unusual, a device that appears to use normal memory cards that come in all capacities, are available NOW, and are much cheaper than Sony's own memorysticks.
Also 65.000 Colours instead of the already out of date 4096 colours.
Mind you I believe release dates when I see the product now. I used to believe people, but no longer.
That said, if I ever see a P800 in the UK this year I will probably be so exited that I will immediately buy it.[/quote]
I dont believe that the Paragon II will be released at April,and even if it was,loads of more Symbian devices are comming.
Dont forget Siemens,Nokia,and even Samsung.
[quote="WFTH"]Been hearing so much good things about this phone and very intersted to get one.
The reason I ask this is that I dun know whether I should buy the Nokia 7650 or SE P802.
Recently I buy a S55 from Germany and I found out it is below my expectation compare to my SL45, so I dun want to make the same mistake again and further more it is very expensive.
Please help me to make up my mind, Thanks[/quote]
ok look just wanna say one thing ... GET THE P800 U THERE IS NUTHING LIKE IT EVER NEVER WHENEVER . u will love it !
Most of the bugs are described here in this thread: http://allaboutsymbian.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7457 by a user who has expirienced them for himself,read it and if you can live with them.
GhostDog,
Is this one of the "respected" members reporting bugs that you were on about before, a forum newbie with that one and only post?!
And what "bugs" did he mention? Poor audio quality? - Not in my unit, although I have heard some users experiencing similar problems, and SE have released a new firmware with an audio patch which is supposed to fix this anyway.
And the other things he was whining about just comes from not reading the manual and a few features he feels are lacking(individual).
Besides he, amongst almost every P800 user who've used other smartphones/PDA, confirmes that the P800 is the best and most stable one yet!
I said,respected websites,not users,that was one of the newest posts that covered this subject,and Samuel seemed quite familiar with p800's ups and downs,so i it seemed right to direct querying users there.
And whining? Not reading the manual?
I dont think so.
Most stable? Are you for real?
Even in the thread you mentioned (www.my-symbian.com) there are loads of bugs that dont have solutions and are not covered by the manual.
I dont have anything agains the P800,i would be glad to own one,and maybe i will get one on CEBIT but i dont get your protective additude.
Facts are that P800 is one of the greates phones ever and that it has bugs.
I think that is only right to mention anything that might even sound as a mulfunction or bug to anyone that is planing to make relatively large investement for a phone.
OMG.... You can believe whatever you wan't, I don't give a damn.
I'm sorry that you've apparently closed your eyes to all the great P800 reviews and user experiences out there, only being able to se the few bad ones.
I've not experienced any serious bugs at all and I share my experiences with MANY other P800 users! M O S T S T A B L E!
As with all phones there are bugs. The fact that the P800 is a wonderfull phone does not mean that we have to oversee the bugs and negative things about it. If mentioning them hurts you then bad luck. Facts are facts. This is a great device with bugs like every other device on the market.
You really don't get the point here. Like I've said, it is not perfect(of course), but from my experience(and others)it is inF A C T!!! very stable with no important "bugs".
And the reason why I'm even bothering replying to this stupid topic is the fact that GhostDog have made alot of ignorant comments regarding the P800 being buggy and unstable, topping it off in this topic actually advicing someone not to buy it.
I suppose you 7650 owners need to put down the P800 to feel better about your purchase....
I'd suggest you 7650 owners leave the P800 forum, letting actual P800 owners contribute in stead.