I dont think thats correct waxup, least not in the UK. Ive never heard of a case in the UK where private phone calls were bugged legally in an adultry case.
And dont forget, its the husband saying to his wife that hes got these recordings, not a court or lawyer. Also, they are bad quality.
Tbh if I were you, and the hubby challenged me Id ask how exactly he got those recordings, and is the police aware hes using illegal methods to listen in on private conversations.
yeah, anything can be done for the right price... but I mostly agree with bartman, this ist America... (yet)
hey scumbucket, you married? Your missis is the only one thats left outta this...
the woman you were accused with gets messaged, her hubby does, your involved but dont... so I dunno... we need Miss Marple or summat. 😉
yeah I'm not aware of the laws in the UK. I live in Canada. The USA is more open about what information can be disclosed etc. so anything can be bought pretty much right off the internet.
He could have a friend sending text messages to him and his wife to show you and also having a friend record phony phone calls as well. Maybe he's the one cheating on his wife and wants to get out of the marriage unscathed and put the blame on his wife and you instead!
yeah, when I was younger I watched a program that made me want to edit people speaking to make up a complete sentence...
long story short, I got a really low quality audio clip of my sister saying stuff she didnt. It was pretty easy.
i have a girlfriend also, but she knows nothing about any of this as would just worry her. i suspected that he mite be making a "cover story" to try and trap her. saying things like if she left him then he would come after me etc. so kinda calling her bluff and see what happens. but yeh i think time to get miss marple in lol.
Interesting thread for many reasons (technical issues, legality issues and of course gossip! sorry scumbucket, but it's true, everyone likes gossip:tongue😊
If anyone has the slightest suspicion that they might be recorded by 3rd parties, the way to find out WHO it is, is to analyze yourself, the 2nd party and the context, and WHO would benefit from the bugging.
(WHAT are you doing (business/social/love related talks)? WHO are you speaking to? (Are they to trust or are their mobilephones to trust) WHO would benefit from it and HOW they would benefit from it (and WHAT RESOURCES do they have to bug you?)
Only then can you find out HOW (and maybe WHY) they do it, and take countermeasures.
You or the 2nd party can have got their SIM-card cloned (sadly it doesn't just happen in movies, SIM cards are relatively easy to clone), and it could then be used to monitor ALL traffic inbound/outbound from the phone that was cloned.
The easiest way to counteract this is changing SIM-cards regularly (number included, do not keep the same number), I myself worked in a field where we were required to change SIM-cards once a month to counteract cloning, and these days new SIM-cards are relatively cheap.
If changing SIM-cards doesn't work (keep one in your phone, and another in a secret place no-one knows and use that for business/love-talks), there must be advanced bugging going on, which needs expensive equipment or police bugging via the provider.
Or the best way is: using public payphones!:tongue: If the calls are then bugged something really fishy and/or illegal is going on!
Let us know if you found out WHO did it, WHY, and at least HOW they did it!
Cheers
don't forget everyone that a phone can be bugged even it is SWITCHED OFF! With the right equipment you can record conversations in a room where the mobile is switched off, for the sensitive business meeting (or noisy love-making:tongue😊 TAKE THE BATTERY OUT! (or leave it outside the room)
Cheers
scumbucketsex wrote:thank you all for your replys. just to clarify a little more, neither me or the person i was talking to was using a bluetooth headset or had um turned on. they had a motorola razor fone if that means anything?they defo didnt use any program to record the conversation. i have recently upgraded all my firmware so was hoping that would make it harder for it to happen again, but i do suspect that it might of happened again. does anyone know much about phone scanners? do they still exist?
My wife has a RAZR... Is it MY wife you're messing with???
:tongue: Couldn't help it:tongue:
good luck solving your problem!:icon14:
Toppskarven, are you running a trace on anyone at the present time?
I think there is something going on here!
waxup wrote:Toppskarven, are you running a trace on anyone at the present time?
I think there is something going on here!
:tongue:
Nope, it is VERY interesting (and in a human's nature) to eavesdrop, but unfortunately I have a slight moral sense preventing me of doing so😎
Toppskarven wrote:don't forget everyone that a phone can be bugged even it is SWITCHED OFF! With the right equipment you can record conversations in a room where the mobile is switched off, for the sensitive business meeting (or noisy love-making:tongue😊 TAKE THE BATTERY OUT! (or leave it outside the room)Cheers
Are you absoloutly sure about this? Or are you on about actually adding bits inside the phone, as opposed to using the phone itself? I just cant see how a powered down phone would be able to run/send anything without adding seperate hardware.
A small microphone and transmitter attached somewhere inside a knook or cranny running off the battery of the device.
It's that simple, put that microphone close enough to the ear piece and you'll hear what the other side is saying too!
bartmanekul wrote:Are you absoloutly sure about this? Or are you on about actually adding bits inside the phone, as opposed to using the phone itself? I just cant see how a powered down phone would be able to run/send anything without adding seperate hardware.
POSITIVE!
Through security briefs I have been demonstrated this and saw (heard) it first hand! No hardware and/or software needs to be installed on the phone to be tapped.
Both OLD/SIMPLE and NEW/ADVANCED phones can be "turned on" in a silent/dark/passive listening mode remotely! (same with landlines!)
I cannot tell HOW it's done (firstly I haven't got the technological know-how to how it's done, secondly I would NOT tell how it's done even if I knew), 5 years ago when I was demonstrated this, the technology was only accessible for those with serious money, but I'm sure a techno-geek could easily do it today in a relatively cheap way.
Lovely! Still, that means someone has to get hold of your phone to make the modifacation/install.
Of course, if someones that intent on bugging you anyway, your either into something serious or the person is a freak.
Agreed, no one for the sake of finding out if their spouse is cheating would go to those lengths. It's easier to leave the person if your assumptions are causing that much of a commotion.
bartmanekul wrote:Yes, second offence at this, I think I warned you before Zippiracer.Interesting that you say texts. I dont know of any way of doing that except perhaps them installing something on your phone, that might forward texts silently to their number.
As for the calls, they can easily be recorded as people said, and theres no way of stopping that at their end.
However if your on about someone else listening to your calls, not the person your calling, then Im pretty sure this is very very high end stuff.
You are rather misinformed about GSM.
Short of someone having access to his phone, and being able to install software or some kind of bug without his knowledge, there are only a few ways to intercept calls and messages. In my expert opinion, nobody intercepted his calls through any spooky methods.
1. The person he called or sent a message to simply logged and recorded his conversations.
2. Someone at the phone company did this. (Unlikely, unless he is the target of a criminal investigation, the phone company has far better things to do than listen to your calls out of the billions of other calls and texts that pass over their networks daily)
3. He recorded his conversation and text messages himself and was careless with the storage medium.
4. He let someone else have access to his phone in order to make modifications or install extra hardware for the purpose of monitoring him. Either with or without his knowledge.
Edit: 5. Someone had a parabolic dish and a microphone to record his voice from a good distance. Someone used a nice telephoto lens and a good camera to watch him send text messages.
Edit: 6. His cohort (regardless of the facts) got a better offer from the dark side and ratted him out.
7. Man in the middle. (The least likely of all!)
GSM, the air gap is encrypted, the encryption scheme has been broken, but it is still very non-trivial to decrypt - it can take several weeks or more, unless you have some serious super computer power behind you - think NSA or other 3 letter government agency.
CCITT 7 - good old SS7, it's one hell of a complex beast. This is where your SMS passes through, along with all the dialing information, plus a whole array of other information about your phone, the network, blah blah. Breaking in to this transmission is NOT something you can do with your $500 radio shack scanner. You'll be needing a nice expensive modem for that, a down converter, spectrum analyzer, microwave antenna systems, some way to splice in to fiber or copper, amplifiers, cables, a digital capture card, a computer to work the data from the modem, some good coding skills to strip out the right timeslots, figure out the packet switched SS7 and ~maybe~ get a hit on to the phone you are wanting to monitor. I say ~maybe~ since SS7 does not even need to be on the same trunk as the call - it can be routed the opposite way around the world for all it matters. Not only that, it doesn't just openly identify your phone, the system might tell your phone to identify itself with a certain key one minute, then a different one a minute later - these changes happen often, far too often to keep track of without a lot of expensive kit.
Voice, unless you've got a good handle on the SS7, then you're going to have infinitely better luck sticking your finger in a wild cats butt hole than locking on to the right voice stream - again, you need the same equipment to get voice out your speaker as you would for the SS7 streams.
You will also need to be close to the target in order to sync in to the right cell tower - or get lucky and have a telco that likes to stream via satellite or some other easy signal path that can be handled from the comfort of your home.
There is no 'cheap' way to monitor GSM. You're looking at a few hundred thousand US dollars in equipment just to scratch the surface. If you need to monitor more than one bearer, and you usually do given the sheer number of people using that system, it'll cost you several million dollars. It doesn't come cheap.
Signed ex 'them'
So wasnt I basically right? In that if it was intercepted it was very very highend stuff?
I didnt think that was what happened, I was more of the opinion it was one of that you said, in the 1-5.
Toppskarven wrote:don't forget everyone that a phone can be bugged even it is SWITCHED OFF! With the right equipment you can record conversations in a room where the mobile is switched off, for the sensitive business meeting (or noisy love-making:tongue😊 TAKE THE BATTERY OUT! (or leave it outside the room)Cheers
There are currently NO phones on the market that allow this to occur. Period.
It is a myth that is perpetuated by the paranoid, and by people who mindlessly repeat what others say without any investigation of their own. What actually happens is that law enforcement agencies simply put a bug in the phone and record the conversation the old fashioned way. There is no trickery going on that allows anyone to silently activate the microphone and record the noise around it.
If you are truly paranoid, you might as well turn your phone off and stick it next to a speaker or computer monitor - your phone wont transmit squat without it being obvious very quickly.
Toppskarven wrote:POSITIVE!
Through security briefs I have been demonstrated this and saw (heard) it first hand! No hardware and/or software needs to be installed on the phone to be tapped.
Both OLD/SIMPLE and NEW/ADVANCED phones can be "turned on" in a silent/dark/passive listening mode remotely! (same with landlines!)
I cannot tell HOW it's done (firstly I haven't got the technological know-how to how it's done, secondly I would NOT tell how it's done even if I knew), 5 years ago when I was demonstrated this, the technology was only accessible for those with serious money, but I'm sure a techno-geek could easily do it today in a relatively cheap way.
None of the above is even remotely accurate or plausible.
From someone who has worked the electronic intelligence gathering circuit for near on a couple of decades now. (With some people who have serious amounts of money to throw at the problem) If it were even remotely possible, it would have filtered down to the masses even quicker than Visa was cracked.
The only way this is possible is by introducing some additional circuitry in to the target device.
dchky wrote:There are currently NO phones on the market that allow this to occur. Period.It is a myth that is perpetuated by the paranoid, and by people who mindlessly repeat what others say without any investigation of their own. What actually happens is that law enforcement agencies simply put a bug in the phone and record the conversation the old fashioned way. There is no trickery going on that allows anyone to silently activate the microphone and record the noise around it.
If you are truly paranoid, you might as well turn your phone off and stick it next to a speaker or computer monitor - your phone wont transmit squat without it being obvious very quickly.
OK, so I am paranoid and heard voices in my head believing they originated from a RANDOM (not ampered with) phone that was SWITCHED OFF during a demonstration by my unit's electronic warfare officer and my unit's security officer???🙄
Believe me, there is a good reason why military and big businesses don't allow mobilephones to be brought into meeting/briefing rooms!
As far as I can see, all you are saying is "trust me it can be done, you just don't know all the secrets I am privvy to".
Sorry but until I see some proof, I call BS
bartmanekul wrote:So wasnt I basically right? In that if it was intercepted it was very very highend stuff?I didnt think that was what happened, I was more of the opinion it was one of that you said, in the 1-5.
Sorry, yes, you are right, I went off half cocked 😊 I didn't read the entire thread before posting. Yup, after reading more, my guess is it was some PI agency, his partner, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the smoking gun in his hand 😊 The truth is probably innocent, crazy ex's can see all kinds of 'facts' where none exist.
I'll just sit back and watch this thread esculate.
OK, this argument doesn't serve the thjreads purpose much, let's agree that we disagree, and put this argument dead, I've got my experiences to prove me right, you have your experiences to prove you right, everyone else must choose if they're gonna be "paranoid" or "unsafe".
(maybe my country's EI/EW technology is more advanced than yours?:tongue😊
Well said, I dont think theres any sort of proof possible, as it would be extremely high end stuff if it existed.
I did wonder about the version of events but the OP said he heard a recording, and text messages. IMO, the easest would be a PI that has a contact in the network one of them is on. This doesnt take any hightech expensive equipment, merely money and the right contact.
Toppskarven wrote:OK, this argument doesn't serve the thjreads purpose much, let's agree that we disagree, and put this argument dead, I've got my experiences to prove me right, you have your experiences to prove you right, everyone else must choose if they're gonna be "paranoid" or "unsafe".
(maybe my country's EI/EW technology is more advanced than yours?:tongue😊
Unless you happen to have citizenship in a country that has the NSA, GCHQ, CSE, or the DSD under its direct control, then no, your country is not more advanced than mine. 😊
You are right, the safer option is to take what we both say with a grain of salt, along with all the voices of everyone else, from there we can draw the most informed conclusions.
I should try and be less abrasive when I offer my voice. It's a thing I do. I don't like it, but I guess change is possible still.
Cheers.
dchky wrote:Unless you happen to have citizenship in a country that has the NSA, GCHQ, CSE, or the DSD under its direct control, then no, your country is not more advanced than mine. 😊You are right, the safer option is to take what we both say with a grain of salt, along with all the voices of everyone else, from there we can draw the most informed conclusions.
I should try and be less abrasive when I offer my voice. It's a thing I do. I don't like it, but I guess change is possible still.
Cheers.
No worries, done the same thing myself, at least our wee discussion might have had some entertainment value for the masses!:tongue:
Cheers
waxup is not amused with where this thread is headed. He was anticipating more of a heated debate and he just might be trying to stir the pot some more.
I mean, honestly, it's controversy like this that brings life to forums.
waxup wrote:waxup is not amused with where this thread is headed. He was anticipating more of a heated debate and he just might be trying to stir the pot some more.:biggrin:I mean, honestly, it's controversy like this that brings life to forums.
Sorry to disappoint you mate!
If it is to any consolation to you: I'm still convinced that it's MY wife he's been fooling around with!😃
waxup wrote:waxup is not amused with where this thread is headed. He was anticipating more of a heated debate and he just might be trying to stir the pot some more.I mean, honestly, it's controversy like this that brings life to forums.
Shut up idiot 😊