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SymbianSigned Pulls Plug

39 replies · 9,347 views · Started 21 February 2008

ccraig wrote:even without being able to install unsigned apps
symbian still have by far more public apps available than any other platform.

Handango:

HTC TyTN II: 3317 software titles available for download.

Nokia N95: 3172 software titles available for download.

I'd say that looks rather evenly? Besides MS has a LOT more apps for the heavy user, including TomTom for built in GPS, hardware key mappers aso. They also have the option to remove the need for digital signatures, at least for the advanced users who know how to use their device. Symbian should learn from that.

No, S60v3 isn't the market leader in available soft, but for now we certainly have the best hardware. Wouldn't wanna trade my N95 8GB for any MS device. We just don't need issues like this making people tired of their S60 phones, so let's hope the site is fully back online as soon as possible.

i wonder if microsoft came out and said you cant install what you want on your windows xp unless we approve it what happens.

after all i paid for the phone and i decide what to install on it and how to use it.

neilhoskins wrote:Oh, come off it. And what happens when the first worms and viruses start spreading? PR disaster, that's what. At least at the moment they can say that Symbian is 100% secure. Yes, I'm angry that apps take so long for developers to get signed, but I don't want Symbian to relax their security model. It also seems to me that there's a lot that can be done with Python. So the word "locked" is, frankly, bollocks.

You are posting absolute FUD.

Here is why:

Let us for a minute imagine that you can allow unsigned apps with any capability on your N95. What would actually happen.

You install them, you still get every single prompt and warning about what capabilities the application has listed in the header, at this point only an idiot would blindly click "ok" - evidently there are millions of idiots, but this adds up to a healthy market for anti-virus and anti-spyware.

The OS does not allow any application to arbitrarily switch off warnings without user intervention. If an app is running and it wants to access the outside world, or to do something bad with certain capabilities, then you are going to get a warning message pop up and ask if it's ok to do it. Having AllFiles and TCB doesn't magically open your phone up to the whole world.

The caged directory structure still exists. Just because you can read /sys and /private doesn't mean you have write access. And even if you did, after the phone reboots, the contents are restored to their original layout anyway, you can't make the changes permanent. You would have to hack the sis files prior to installation in the same way that you already can.

End result, symbian signed is a waste of energy, it exists only as a way for corporations to police and profit from what you do with your handset, nothing more, nothing less.

If you think python is some magical cure then you are delusional. What a great idea, lets waste every ounce of left over CPU power not already taken up with TCB and DRM interpreting and running non-native code. Not only that, lets force people to figure out which of the 200 versions of python they actually need to install in order to get the application to run so that it doesn't break every other python based app already on the phone. Python can do some cute little things, but it doesn't have the capabilities needed to do anything truly useful with the phone.

There are more sides to this issue than you obviously care to accept. The symbian glove doesn't fit everyone, they are doing themselves a big disservice by going down this route.

Symbian, it's the new bog standard useless sony ericsson OS, only the SE OS is about 30 times faster, and the layout infinitely more logical.

sbc wrote: They also have the option to remove the need for digital signatures, at least for the advanced users who know how to use their device.

And I dont see windows mobile flooded with viruses.

Anyway, all this is rather moot if SS comes back up in a few weeks time.

However what I wouldnt be impressed with is if they remove the ability for free accounts to be used for signing. more measures to stop bots and cracked software yes, but not outright stopping it.

Its a case of wait and see, and *then* moan if they dont bring it back up. If there was some decent hardware for WM, Id be tempted to switch. But as it is, theres nothing that would suit my needs that isnt bricklike.

its my phone let me do what the f*ck i want with it. does my head in! your right they just want more � out of us. and the windows xp comment is spot on! c'mon nokia/symbian sort it out.😡

I also find it interesting that Symbian Signed use the excuse that more certs are requested to shut down public access. Well duh! More S60 phones are sold and more great 3. party apps developed than ever, so what do they expect? EVERYONE wants emTube, rotateMe and so on.

SS should be happy that the users are taking the S60 platform to heart, not punishing them.

Does anyone know if SymbianSigned will bring back the open signed requests for free? I just recently got an N95 8GB and am extremely disappointed that I can't use apps like Rotateme, because this was one of the main reasons I went for the N95 8GB. Does anyone have any solid info or is it all speculation just now? Thanks.

stevom wrote:Does anyone know if SymbianSigned will bring back the open signed requests for free? I just recently got an N95 8GB and am extremely disappointed that I can't use apps like Rotateme, because this was one of the main reasons I went for the N95 8GB. Does anyone have any solid info or is it all speculation just now? Thanks.

Supposedly in a few weeks it will be back online, but I dont think anyone is really sure if they will open up free signing again. Its just a case of wait and see and watch the SS website.

sbc wrote:I also find it interesting that Symbian Signed use the excuse that more certs are requested to shut down public access. Well duh! More S60 phones are sold and more great 3. party apps developed than ever, so what do they expect? EVERYONE wants emTube, rotateMe and so on.

SS should be happy that the users are taking the S60 platform to heart, not punishing them.

AND Route 66 7.3.545 !!!

I remember the article by Steve Litchfield about a phone like the empty vase. He joked about an option named 'Are you Steve Litchfield?' clicking on which would provide access to all advanced functions on the phone. I think that's exactly what Nokia/Symbian should do to keep all types of users happy. Just one click of a button and the experienced users should be able to install anything, without a certificate.