Symbian Gone completely out of hand

3Shirts wrote:Here's hoping :tongue:

Keep hoping

esiemi wrote:actually my phone is insured so i get another one.

Money to insure the phone, but not to buy satnav?

Ive no doubt that you are probably lying about that, or make fraudlent claims (you freely admit to being a thief, so how can anyone beleive a word you say from now on?) on insurance, again pushing the cost up for the rest of us.

I suggest you leave now, you brought a fart to a sh1t fight and your attitude isnt liked on here anyway.

Its ironic that your so opposed to the new symbian signed process, yet your probably the best reason for it to exist.

esiemi wrote:actually my phone is insured so i get another one.

Is your nose insured too?

bartmanekul wrote:
And at the end of the day, theres a huge amount of people kidding themselves they would go without if they had to pay.

And yes it DOES have an effect on sales. Also, if a company is aware that theres huge amounts of people using the hacked version, why bother updating it?

Tomtom is a very good example of this. Perhaps one of the most pirated bits of software on symbian, it could be why they have stopped supporting symbian (and windows mobile) versions.

TBH if i could not get the new version of tomtom(if there will be one) for free, my next phone will be a phone where i could get it for free (less restrictions) hence windows mobile and i would recommend windows mobile to all people around me.

the only thing that put me off WM was the hardware functionality of their devices, if i could find a WM with functionality par with N95 8GB id swap today.

I'll be deleting any pointless attempt at flaming. Just so you know.

esiemi wrote:TBH if i could not get the new version of tomtom(if there will be one) for free, my next phone will be a phone where i could get it for free (less restrictions) hence windows mobile and i would recommend windows mobile to all people around me.

Well in that case, go back to WM, we wont miss you.

the only thing that put me off WM was the hardware functionality of their devices, if i could find a WM with functionality par with N95 8GB id swap today.

And that is why so many symbian devices are sold. Many many people are not aware they can install extra programs on their phone, they buy it for the hardware. With nokia offerring (in general) much better phones than anything WM can offer, they will stay afloat on that alone.

But even with the new symbian signed process, it wont damage the symbian sales too much. Lets wait and see whos right shall we?

also i didnt start this "fart to a sh1t fight", you all did by calling me a thieve.

esiemi wrote:also i didnt start this "fart to a sh1t fight", you all did by calling me a thieve.

Thief, and yes, because you freely admitted it.

so F****in what? i wanna use pirated software on my phone, thats the only reason i bought it. right now im using tomtom, garmin, papyrus, coreplayer and many other expensive software for free. i can do it so i do it. they should protect their software.

That dear boy, is self admittal.

thats what you think, and guess what i dont care.

just noticed your sig and like you im waiting for tomtom to release a new version (cracked of cource)

esiemi wrote:thats what you think, and guess what i dont care.

just noticed your sig and like you im waiting for tomtom to release a new version (cracked of cource)

If you didnt care, you wouldnt be replying.

Anyway, tomtom will not be releasing another version.

Ive no doubt you will get another bit of cracked software, but so be it. However anymore talk of that on here and you'll be banned.

I dont see why members who pay for software should be subject to idiots like you boasting that they use cracked software. You can already see you have annoyed various other people on here.

So in future, contribute, rather than rant about not being able to use cracked programs anymore. I think I speak for everyone when I say that you would not be missed if you went to WM.

that was a very amusing and constructive argument we had, thank you, going back to work. i was only bored.

and please stop insulting me MR Super Moderator

bye

........when you talk of 'pirated software' am I wrong in thinking the programmer wears an eye patch and has a pet parrot :con?

evilweasel wrote:........when you talk of 'pirated software' am I wrong in thinking the programmer wears an eye patch and has a pet parrot :con?

Yarrrrrrr!

Rumour has it that nokia are in talks with microsoft at the moment. So may well get a choice of OS soon.
I find the biggest problem with symbian is that by the time you get a firmware that works your contract is up for renewal. This plus the signed issue i dont think i will bother with nokia again.
Will stay with classic 95 till sony release the x1.

pilgrim51 wrote:Rumour has it that nokia are in talks with microsoft at the moment. So may well get a choice of OS soon.
I find the biggest problem with symbian is that by the time you get a firmware that works your contract is up for renewal. This plus the signed issue i dont think i will bother with nokia again.
Will stay with classic 95 till sony release the x1.

AS far I as know this "talks" is all rumors and just pure speculation,I doubt we will see any major change at all.I personally wouldn't want my Nokia smartphone to run Windows Mobile...:tongue:

I also doubt that it's happening - but it would be wonderful for the Windows Mobile platform (I use Symbian and WM) to have some hardware with N95 features. I have to admit that I generally prefer the WM platform (both Standard and Professional versions) as both a developer and user, although the difference is not as great as it was 6 months ago.

id love to see nokia with windows mobile OS

in my opinion ** THIS IS JUST MY OPINION ** ok?

windows mobile ----> OS = very good HARDWARE = very poor

Symbian -----> OS = good HARDWARE = excellent

so a mix would be great, but it wont happen as nokia i think own 47% of symbian share.

I agree they may well talk till the cows come home and still do nothing but they are reported as talking.

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16510/127/1/0/

nokia are loosing out in the U.S and are hoping a WM6 phone may claw them back some ground.

before anyone jumps on me i know iphone are shit but the U.S have taken to them big time mainly due to the mac OS interface

think nokia may well release something if only to test the water.

Personally I think its more about getting networks like ATT to actually offer some decent phones.

8Ball wrote:One other point is why should someone like Samir have to pay to get a license? He's programming damn good apps and releasing them free of charge for those that want to use them.

He's already giving away the fruits of his labour now you want him to pay so you can have it?

Talk about thankless work.........

He did a damn good job at his apps actually..

And he was rewarded by all those loyal supporters paypal'ing him on his beta works.. Would have been nice if he spent a little bit of that money towards getting a cert to sign (which he can do for the other apps that other people can invest in). As a paid customer/supporter, you would have expected he would do the same back without expecting them to know how to self sign the app..

Works both ways.. think about it..

BTW.. been on holidays so havent had the chance to reply.. but no, I dont automatically assume everyone that ask this question to be pirates.. but whether it is paid for software or not, getting a cert is something that a good dev should do to support his/her users. Whether it is free or not (donateware)..

esiemi wrote:id love to see nokia with windows mobile OS

in my opinion ** THIS IS JUST MY OPINION ** ok?

windows mobile ----> OS = very good HARDWARE = very poor

Symbian -----> OS = good HARDWARE = excellent

so a mix would be great, but it wont happen as nokia i think own 47% of symbian share.

I thought you were going 🙄

I started this topic because I was thoroughly cheesed after finding out that even with a legit email address I would not be able to get a free application signed. I have come up against this in the past even with my own themes made with a fully legit copy of carbide. I resent the remark about pirate software wrt myself, I have only free software on my phone. But due to the present stance of Symbian I have already started looking at cracked apps, after all why not when legit apps cannot be got to work. Some weeks ago someone was offering to sign apps on the forum via pm. Sent it off but no reply so far. As for the smart***** who say it's easy to get apps signing, I say try it start from scratch with a new email address etc, you will not get very far.
Regards,
Mike

I can see the idea behind the singing process however if I want to install unsigned applications on my phone then that's my risk and my choice.

Symbian should allow us on the option on the phone to disable the singing process completely or release a tool that allows us to mark a sis file as authorised for a certain IMEI ( not singing as such ) so it will install on our own IMEI but remain unsigned.

Security from allowing unauthorised software to install is good but it should be an option to allow developers to test and install and distribute software for free without symbian poking their nose in where its not required.

Unplugged wrote:I can see the idea behind the singing process however if I want to install unsigned applications on my phone then that's my risk and my choice.

Symbian should allow us on the option on the phone to disable the singing process completely or release a tool that allows us to mark a sis file as authorised for a certain IMEI ( not singing as such ) so it will install on our own IMEI but remain unsigned.

Security from allowing unauthorised software to install is good but it should be an option to allow developers to test and install and distribute software for free without symbian poking their nose in where its not required.

To be fair, the open signing process was never intended to be used by the mass users. I still think the signing requirement is mostly good, but the system can be improved in several places:

1. Symbian should make the waiting time for certified signing a lot shorter - this way a developer can get the signed sis distributed not long after finish writing it, resulting in far fewer unsigned apps floating around and people wanting to get them signed. Signing for freeware developers should also be made free if possible, to encourage them to released their work signed, rather than letting the users struggle.
2. The old free dev signing was good for beta testing, but the demand got too high which was persumably one of the reasons why Symbian brought out the new Open Signed Online and Offline. I would like to see a way for developers to sign his application for beta testers, with the ability to restrict the signed app to a limited list of IMEIs.

This way, the general users shouldn't ever need to know about signing, which is how things ought to be.

Just my personal opinion, but I think it makes sense.

well got myself some good pirate nav software courtesy of emule(with a great sexy voice) and a few other apps. all works great unlike the unsigned Symbian S@@@ . Can't understand why I didn't do this before. Symbian SUCKS!
Mike.

mikerhodes wrote:well got myself some good pirate nav software courtesy of emule(with a great sexy voice) and a few other apps. all works great unlike the unsigned Symbian S@@@ . Can't understand why I didn't do this before. Symbian SUCKS!
Mike.

If you carry on about pirating you'll be banned. Just because you dont agree with symbian signed is no excuse to use pirate software.

And since when did symbian signed effect satnav programs? It doesnt effect any.

You do realise you just wiped out all your comments about being offended about pirate software, and are basically justifying symbian signed, which you hate so much?

ahahhah