T9 beats qwerty...

I do agree with her. I am much more comfortable with T9 when it comes to mobile devices. Sure, QWERTY keyboards are fast, but for me they are fast only when the keyboard is resting on a desk and I am using multiple fingers, not when its in my hand and I am using my thumb. For my thumbs, T9 is much faster.

I just have one complain with T9. On my nseries device, over a period of time, it automatically changes the suggested word when I key in a combination of keys, something that I do not want in many cases (e.g. for some reason 'much' comes as 'ouch' when i type it. I have no idea why). But I guess this is something very small and is part of nothing been perfect.

lol...what a joke...try using instant messengers on the phone with the T9, and then with a good qwerty...no contest! i normally end up having to wait for the other person to write, if he his using a normal phone keypad, while i just bombard him with text

t9 can be better for one handed operation and quick smal sms, but for stuff like IM , Email, Office docs...you know, true smartphone stuff...you gotta be kidding...

note: no need for resting the phone on a desk, if the phone is not heavy

i agree T9 IS better. i am a qwerty e61 user since 2005 and although i have learned to adapt, i do think that my T9 text input tool on my 6682 was waaay more practical und easier/faster to type.

the problem i alwasy had: after a certain time it always errased the saved suggestions i had done which would force me to save them all over again, that was annoying and the reason why i switched.

that could be something that they may have fixed.. i don't know! did they???

ares wrote:lol...what a joke...try using instant messengers on the phone with the T9, and then with a good qwerty...no contest! i normally end up having to wait for the other person to write, if he his using a normal phone keypad, while i just bombard him with text

ares wrote:note: no need for resting the phone on a desk, if the phone is not heavy

T9 is maybe fast - until you want to enter words not in the dictionary. Then blood, sweat and tears.

On average I send around 200 messages per day, be that sms or e-mail via blackberry.
I always had communicator and a "spare" phone. Currently E90 and E61i.
I have to say, NOTHING beats keyboard.

For a simple reason - I am landing from London, flight BA055, arrival at 06h55 on Changi airport.
If I have to send that sms to my driver combination of numbers and letters is making typing very difficult using T9. Let's go to email - where I have to say hello to my friend Vankatesh Baby from Bangalore and to approve our order of 11 *insert famous indian word here* and greet his wife, lovely Dragica from Russia. It would take me a long, long time to compile anything like that on phone loaded with T9. Communicator style, just open and type. Not to mention if my French girlfriend insists on us sms-ing each other in French only.

Granted, you will think this is extreme case, however, for people who are using this phones as business tools this scenario is quite real. For me, predictive text input just does not cut it.

Alex

If I was cabable of (and prepared to) write in TXT SPK then I don't doubt that T9 and multitap is quite useful - and fast.

However, I am over the age of 15 and I will aways write SMS messages and E-mails in properly formatted, gramatically correct properly spelt English (typos excepted).

For that (for me at least), the E90's (and the E70's before that) QWERTY is indispensible.

I am Chair of Governors at a School and the Head Teacher sends me text messages fairly regularly (she has teenage daughters and is an adept texter). However, at least once a week I have to phone her back as I don't understand what she has written.

@Terry1100, from your post it is clear that you don't know what you are doing with T9 and can't possibly have given it a fair trial.

TXT SPK indeed!

s.

Probably true - there is a comfort factor in having a"proper" keyboard and not having to learn anything new.

When I get a quiet moment I'll re-investigate. For now I'm stuck in the "how do I turn of this $$%%^$%"" predictive text mindset" that I acquired some time ago.

Personally, couldn't agree less. Keyboard is much easier, and I have never used it flat on a table with all fingers, only 'in the air' with thumbs. T9 can be faster sometimes, possibly for writing a text, but I would still take a keyboard every time and for me it is much faster when writing an email, for instance.

Heh, I like Rita's reasons for liking it, and I tend to agree. When I first discovered T9 (way back in 3310 days - I remember phones, not years!) suddenly I could type a normal sentence without my thumbs aching and a terrible fear of arthritic thumbs in later life.

Then keypads started getting smaller... and after wrestling with the N73 for ages (the space at the bottom of the phone was big enough for the keypad I wanted, but the keys were minuscule) I thought an E90 would solve my problems. Qwerty does make firing off long texts faster, but for short ones, and texts on the go, T9 is faster. Ironically, my dad struggles on with T9 while I bemoan the false promise of qwerty. He usually resorts to phoning me back rather than sending a quick text, which really throws me off guard sometimes.

Which brings me back to my point, really - T9 is for sms - ~160 characters to say something simple, and qwerty is for emails, where some formality is required. Now if I can only find a few more people who wanted emailing, I could justify the expense of the E90...

Tom

I preferred the t9 on my old sony erricson t68i. I forget all the reasons, but the one that comes to mind is the automatic capitalising of words such as 'I' - t9 on s60 doesn't capitalise it. It's a small thing, but I noticed it.

OK, just to prove what a luddite I really am (and that I haven't got the manual with me at work), how do you turn on T9 on an E90?

OK, I found it.

And turned it off again 10 seconds later - life's to short.

For test purposes I tried to type

"Shall we go to the showroom in the afternoon tomorrow"

OK, once you get past the fact that it's all "wrong" until you've got to the end of the word, I'll admit it's quite clever - but if you want "go", you'll get "in" - what happens next time when you want "in" if you've told it that 46 is "go"

For me, I'll stick to the QWERTY thanks - if I didn't need that I'd probably have bought an N95.

Guess Who wrote:T9 is maybe fast - until you want to enter words not in the dictionary. Then blood, sweat and tears.

Precisely! I often start replying to an SMS on the front of my E90 using T9, but I always end up opening the lid when I have to write more then a simple: "OK" etc. This is one of the reasons I've used either touch screen or QWERTY phones the past 6+ years.

qwerty is MUCH better. that being said there is a huge need for programs like quickwrite and adaptxt to be compatible with qwerty devices. they just dramatically shorten the time it takes to type messages. i really wish a developer would come up with a relaible program and then this subject is moot. I even considered moving from an e61i to a p1i as it does have this feature.
This is the number one type of program that is needed imo....

I love my qwerty keyboard. I think it all depends on how familiar someone is with the keyboard. I personally don't like T9 one bit.

@layla17, I am very familiar with qwerty and T9. If I have masses of stuff to type I use my Bluetooth keyboard with my N95. If not T9 is fine. Full size qwerty is fine. Mini key qwerty is painful.

Robert Bernocco, an IT professional took advantage of the time he spent traveling each day, and the result was a 384-page science fiction novel called Compagni di Viaggo which translates as �Fellow Travelers� in English.

Bernocco used his Nokia 6630 mobile phone to write the entire book. What�s more; he wrote the book using the phone�s T9 typing system.

It took Bernocco around 17 weeks to complete the manuscript for his book. He then downloaded the manuscript and spilt it on to smaller paragraphs on his computer. (quote from techshout.com)

Can't be all that bad can it?

s.

Ok, I am prepared to persevere with this.

How do I T9 the word "go" on an E90?

I mostly send business emails and messages from my e90, and I use T9 a lot (opening the phone is not always an option, especially in public transport and the like).
But I live in constant dread of sending "foot" instead of "dont" and "wood" instead of "zone" etc. I always read and re-read my messages before sending them. So I don't really get the advantage that Rita El Khoury has talked about (typing without looking)
And that's why qwerty is more preferable for me. The E61's keyboard is a true work of art, very few chances of making any mistakes once you get used to it.

You should try Adaptxt... It learns how you use language your way and predicts ahead of you...

Does anybody wanna race?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2339/2087298948_88fb2f8e0b_o.jpg

This was done with T9, mind you.

Also keep in mind that when punctuation falls apart, you end up with words like "foot" instead of "dont" because it's "DON'T".

[Also keep in mind that when punctuation falls apart, you end up with words like "foot" instead of "dont" because it's "DON'T".]

"DON'T" as in "So I don't really get the advantage that Rita El Khoury has ....."
One more reason to use qwerty , I guess 😊 😊

[You should try Adaptxt... It learns how you use language your way and predicts ahead of you...]

I am truly impressed by Adaptxt. Just waiting for it to be officially supported for the e90.
Currently it runs fine on the e90 for the most part, but there are a few minor glitches to be ironed out (an occasional error message in active notes -"an operation failed" or something like that, sometimes it crashes the current app etc)

@Terry1100, type it in and you get "in" then press * (also applies to any other word option)

s.

First of all, i knew that this would be a heated subject, that's why I started by shutting up and letting you all throw tomatoes and eggs @ me.
Second, I seriously understand all your points. It's all about the learning curve, if you're used to something, you won't give up on it easily because it'll take you a lot of time to get used to something else. There are some T9 users who have gone qwerty and who now swear by it, and others that still despise it. And the opposite is correct.
Btw @Johnny Bruha, what is that application you have running to time your speed? I would like to give it a go 😊

Go to iphonetypingtest.com on your S60 browser with javascript enabled.

t9 works fine for me. Neither approach comes close to true ten fingered qwerty, so for mobile, i'd much rather have t9 with the ability to use it one handed if i choose to, then put up with an ugly keyboard. (yeah, that's right you keyboard phone people.. ugly.. I have my flame proof suit on..😊 ) One thing that bugs me tho.. why no t9 ability on web addresses??? 90 percent of web addresses are based on words in my dictionary..
eg
all
about
symbian
so why not allow it nokia??

I'm getting closer to being converted - it managed "perchance" (as in "any post perchance, Gromit"😉

And I've still got the internal QWERTY to fall back on if I need it.