Reasons Why I'm Liking Nokia Maps 2.0

its a hell of a lot better than the second update they issued. For about 45quid for 3 years use, its looking to be one of, if not the, cheapest solution out there isnt it?

Where are you getting this �45 for three years use from ?

Where I'm looking (on the app and on the web) it has it at €59.99 (�47.80) a year.

damn they must have updated it then. When I first got my N95 I checked and I think it was the price I said :O

Even so, it's pretty reasonable 😊

lovesign wrote:Even so, it's pretty reasonable 😊

I have to ask... how exactly is �47 annuall charge reasonable compared to a 1 country map license for on R66 V8/2008 for �42 (Euro 49.99) as a one-off online activation fee?

Nokia MAPS is the only GPS app I know with an annual charge, although I have to admit their map updates are free, which is not the case with R66 and others.

I dont think its a reasonable charge at all.

The previous 3 year licence was.

Map updates are usually much much less than the initial outlay, and effectivly paying �47 a year is a bit of a ripoff to me.

Especially when they dont offer anything for free, like speed cams or traffic updates.

If they brought back a reasonable 3 year licence, they would interest more people.

As it is, they are going to lose people like me (and Dez) to other apps who dont like subscription based ones..

dez_borders wrote:Nokia MAPS is the only GPS app I know with an annual charge, although I have to admit their map updates are free, which is not the case with R66 and others.

dez_borders wrote:I have to ask... how exactly is �47 annuall charge reasonable compared to a 1 country map license for on R66 V8/2008 for �42 (Euro 49.99) as a one-off online activation fee?

Nokia MAPS is the only GPS app I know with an annual charge, although I have to admit their map updates are free, which is not the case with R66 and others.

Dez

Can you transfer the licence to other phones, or are you stuck with it on the phone you first install it too?

dez_borders wrote:Nokia MAPS is the only GPS app I know with an annual charge, although I have to admit their map updates are free, which is not the case with R66 and others.

I think you answered your own question there 😊

bartmanekul wrote:I dont think its a reasonable charge at all.

The previous 3 year licence was.

Map updates are usually much much less than the initial outlay, and effectivly paying �47 a year is a bit of a ripoff to me.

Especially when they dont offer anything for free, like speed cams or traffic updates.

If they brought back a reasonable 3 year licence, they would interest more people.

As it is, they are going to lose people like me (and Dez) to other apps who dont like subscription based ones..

Well, if you get regular updated maps for free, as well as the app itself, and don't forget the web based service on OVI that is promised, then it certainly seems reasonable to me, although I am not using it yet.

My boss likes it because he doesn't use sat nav that often, so for �6 he can get a 30 day licence when he needs one.

It's all swings and roundabouts TBH, and there's an app out there for everyone I'm sure. TomTom is still my choice, but that is fast falling behind and of all the apps I've seen so far, Maps & McGuider seem like good alternatives. I'd like to have a go with Route66 V8 as it promises much on paper.

I agree, and Id like to use nokia maps as its only going to get better (nokia didnt buy navteq for nothing!).

However, nokia should wake up and realise they are alienating so many potential subscribers by not having a better deal than the yearly option.

Would I pay �70 odd for 3 years? Yes I would.

Would I pay �50 odd for 1 year? Nope.

Updated maps are not that big an issue. I still have the same mistakes on all the newer satnavs that I had 4 years ago. Im never much interested in new maps anyway.

Nokia are in a *perfect* position to impliment something like tomtoms mapshare.

Their userbase is huge, the person is far more likely to have the device on them for reporting an error, and of course, it would help correct their maps. Which presumably, they sell to others.

Copilot and Garmin use navteq maps, and likely many others.

They could even make it extremely easy to do. Add an option in the menu to mark current location as an error. Then when you get back to the computer, presumably using OVI map app (isnt out yet btw, for those wondering), you can input what the error was.

There is so much potential for nokia maps, but I dont want to pay an expensive (imo) subscription which contains things I wont use (OVI integration, etc).

If nokia release some better value deals, i.e. longer ones for lower price, I and others would be interested.

It is way overpriced. I think it is a daft pricing model.

I'd gladly pay �45 for a 'no updates/no speed cameras' version mind.

Ben Frain wrote:
I'd gladly pay �45 for a 'no updates/no speed cameras' version mind.

You dont get any speed cameras anyway, that cost extra.

For what time period?

Sorry - should have said - forever. I wouldn't want to pay annually for something that isn't getting updated 😉

That would have to be a total overhaul of the way maps works, which I very much doubt nokia will do.

Id prefer the option you want, but since they wont go that direction, thats why I said about the 3 year cheaper licence.

Thats the only way they will get people like me (and you) to use maps over something like Garmin or Copilot.

Nokia maps needs to be cheaper for it to make sense, really say about �20 for a year.

Using the Maps 2.0 version, the UK the current pricing is a bit strange especially for the 90 day option

1 year - �54.82
90 day - �19.57
30 day - �6.00

so it actually works out cheaper to buy the 30 day option every month for 3 months (�18.00) than to use 90 day option at �19.57.

The year is a waste of money, you are better off buying Route 66 8.0 for a one off fee of �47.75 an use it forever

http://www.66.com/route66/products.php?cid=UK&sec=1&ssec=0&prodid=5391

Ratkat wrote:The year is a waste of money, you are better off buying Route 66 8.0 for a one off fee of �47.75 an use it forever

And then pay for bi-annual map updates 🙄

Well its a balencing act.

On one hand nokia have to charge something a bit extra for the updates (i.e. map and postcodes) that you get 'for free'.

But on the other hand, its not very competitive against other satnavs. Not too many people seem to buy 2 map updates per year, and I suspect even less people are interested in how it integrates with OVI.

Firstly, they want to introduce a daily plan. Since its a subscription service, Im sure many people will want it just for that one trip they need to do, not 30 days. Maybe a pound, or 50p? Wouldnt that make sense?

Also, a weekly one. Im sure that wouldnt hurt either.

And as mentioned, a longer more worth it option, say 3 years for around �70 odd, maybe �80.

Im aware that nokia has to pay for map updates, but it has to be competitive.

They are missing out on the whole strength subscription has over the other pay in one lump models. The minimum being 30 days is daft.

So while I appriciate that 2 map updates are included in the cost, the prices are still far too high.

Tbh nokia should look at getting it as low as possible, to get as many people using it as they can. Microsoft made a big loss on the original Xbox, but it worked, and now they are a rival to playstations, which not many would think could happen.

And they should also allow route planning without paying. Its not like you can use it on the go, but it would mean people can use it and pay for GPS guidance if needed.

Nokia Maps actually has less functionally with each version

In the original version you could route plan and even navigate for free, you only had to pay for the voice guidance.

In version 1.2 you could still route plan but had to pay for both navigation and voice guidance.

In version 2, you have to pay for everything, route plan, navigation and voice guidance, to make things worse it seems you can't even view the route before you travel (unless I've missed the option) even when you have paid.

Echoing earlier comments: when I buy a sat nav solution (standalone e.g Tom Tom or software based for Symbian) I don't want updates every few months. I just want a navigation solution I can fire up and use when I need it. I want to pay once. That's it. When it's out of date or old fashioned etc, I'll buy a new one.

I suspect a great many people feel the same. By all means have a 'premium' solution where people can pay a monthly fee and get free upgrades/updates but don't tar all users with the same brush.

I'm currently looking for a Sat Nav option I can buy for my phone. Here is the dilemna:

Nokia 2.0 is out of the question because of the prohibitive cost
Tom Tom are out of the market
McGuider looks promising but there is no clear info about how easy it is to set up on N95 8GB (transferring the program to mass memory etc)

Route 66 seems to be the only viable option! Is this really the case? Wouldn't Nokia be wise to provide the solution for users like me with a very low necessity for Sat Nav, who would happily use the built in tool if it didn't have such a ludicrous pricing model...?

Sadly, without messing about (copilot, garmin, sygic etc), route66 is your best option.

Normally Id recommend navigon, but they really dont seem to be interested in updates, program or maps, nor support.

While Im really not impressed with R66s routing, or bear left issue, its probably the best solution if you dont want to mes about.

That'll teach you to buy a phone without a memory card slot 😉

bartmanekul wrote:
That'll teach you to buy a phone without a memory card slot 😉

Touche - consider the lesson learnt!

Ratkat wrote:Dez

Can you transfer the licence to other phones, or are you stuck with it on the phone you first install it too?

Tomtom and Route66 both allow this in the past - although you now need to send documentary evidence to 66.com to prove your old phone has been declared dead, replaced or otherwise disposed of. Network delivery notes or Nokia NCC documentation is acceptable.

I think this is fair because otherwise an official license owner could simply buy multiple handsets and transfer the licence without uninstalling previous copies.

lovesign wrote:I think you answered your own question there 😊

The thing is I am running on Q2 2007 maps, and perfectly happy. Perhaps I will need a new map every 2 or 3 years, but by then there's a new version of R66 (or even another, better product) available.

It's cheaper to buy the latest product every few years than pay an annual license, for what is/was seen as a pretty basic and unreliable GPS app in the early days.

I would prefer to choose how often to purchase a license or new map.

bartmanekul wrote: Updated maps are not that big an issue. I still have the same mistakes on all the newer satnavs that I had 4 years ago. Im never much interested in new maps anyway.
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WELL SAID that man! Exactly my point.

dez_borders wrote:although you now need to send documentary evidence to 66.com to prove your old phone has been declared dead, replaced or otherwise disposed of. Network delivery notes or Nokia NCC documentation is acceptable.

I think this is fair because otherwise an official license owner could simply buy multiple handsets and transfer the licence without uninstalling previous copies.

So, if I upgrade my handset, and give my old one to my missus (as I regularly do), given what you say, I'd have to buy a new licence, even if I uninstalled the app from my old phone ?

Hmmmmm.....

All of a sudden, Nokia Maps starts to look comparable in price.

dez_borders wrote:The thing is I am running on Q2 2007 maps, and perfectly happy. Perhaps I will need a new map every 2 or 3 years, but by then there's a new version of R66 (or even another, better product) available.
I would prefer to choose how often to purchase a license or new map.

In my job, I travel 20,000+ miles a year, all over the UK, therefore my Sat Nav gets regular daily usage. Up to date maps are very important to me and also to many other people whose work has them travelling the length and breadth of the country/continent.

Case in point being Sheffield. Recently there has been a massive spate of road "improvements" with the creation of camera monitored bus lanes and the re-routing of all other traffic to avoid them. Accurate and up to date mapping is vital in these situations to avoid a �45 fixed penalty ! 😊

I am well aware of the time it takes to get maps to devices, but the potential of a continuously updated map service, without extra charge, is very appealing to people like myself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Nokia Maps fan boy. I've barely used the feckin' thing, and I think a lot of this debate is great because it thrashes out the real differences between the applications and their best use.

But the arguments against Nokia Maps because of prohibitive costs often seem to be negated by people willing to pay for new licences on other apps when they get new handsets or pay for new maps. I think if someone were to do a proper long term trial (I'm thinking 2 years minimum) and come up with an accurate TCO (total cost of ownership), I'd be very surprised to see any major difference between any of the applications out there.

lovesign wrote: I think if someone were to do a proper long term trial (I'm thinking 2 years minimum) and come up with an accurate TCO (total cost of ownership), I'd be very surprised to see any major difference between any of the applications out there.

Im thinking of it not only from my (a customers) point of view, but nokias. Even if the TCO was less in the long run - which given my sort of preferances, maps will be more - its not appealing to many people.

Theres 3 people at least in this thread who dont like the subscription based method.

Since its highly unlikely nokia are going to produce a whole new alternate method of paying for it, I think its best they revise their prices for the likes of people like Dez and I.

Otherwise its just not going to get a look in.

And imo, this is a really critial time for nokia to get people interested in their software for mobiles, since I reckon the others are catching on fast and mobile satnav is set to boom.

Especially with lower priced models due out.

I have to say, the more I play with the latest version 2 of Nokia maps (with all it's limitations), the more I like it.

But as stated before the yearly price it just too expensive, should be about �20 - �25 a year max.

And the price just seems to get higher with each release, �48 per year on version 1 and now �54.82 on version 2.