The reason US market is so important is not necessarily because what it is now. It is important because (even in these dire economic times) people here still have a LOT of disposable income and purchasing power compared to e.g. many EU countries. Just look at how well iPhone did/does here? Where else would such an expensive (even when HEAVILY subsidized by carriers) phone do so well RELATIVE to where the rest of the market is in that country? So, IF Nokia was e.g. able to get a break throug device here that would give them even a $50/phone margin, they could make a lot of money. A million is a million, even if you ad it on top of a billion - i.e. investors care, and Nokia has to keep pressing in all good markets to keep ahead of the pack.
Symbian Foundation Says "Open Source Within Two Years"
wshwe wrote:For all intents and purposes SE has dumped Symbian.
So 'dumping Symbian' is according to you synonymous with coming out with new Symbian OS devices....
where else in the world do people have to pay to RECEIVE mobile calls?
Hong Kong - probably because local calls from landline to other landlines and mobiles are free.
If Nokia provided the best apps out of the box then where would that leave developers?If the builtin apps aren't the "best" and one has to install 3rd party replacements then the builtin apps are just dead wood taking up valuable storage space.
I can only see benefits from this from a 3rd party developer perspective.
In a sense it's back to Psion days. During Psion times (effectively Symbian v1 to v5), one could develop ONE application, and it would work on all Symbian devices with minor tweaks which usually could be implemented dynamically.
Then from Symbian v6 onwards, it split into at least 4 different incompatible platforms (S80/90, S60, MOAP and UIQ), and even though tools and application notes appeared which made porting simpler, it's still 4 different code bases to manage. And it didn't get better when Symbian v6/v7 code wouldn't work on Symbian v8/v9 and vice verse.
Now I would at least hope that it's going to go back to the Psion days again. One application build will work for ALL devices, and the difference that there unavoidably are (screen-size, touch/notouch, keyboard etc) can be catered for dynamically in the same build.
Do not under-estimate the influence of Apple! There are currently more than 100 million iPod users worldwide and it is logical for these users to migrate to iPhone, leaving Nokia in the losing end.
(where else in the world do people have to pay to RECEIVE mobile calls?)
This can never happen in India, according to TRAI, any incoming communication to an Indian Mobile is completely FREE.
MLP wrote:There are currently more than 100 million iPod users worldwide and it is logical for these users to migrate to iPhone, leaving Nokia in the losing end.
There are about 200 million or so Symbian users, and it is logical for these users to phase out their old MP3 players in favour of built-in players.
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Here we go again, another one completely misses the point
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Sorry, but that's just bollocks. There was a thriving Psion developer community, which didn't rely on giving customers crap apps out of the box. Joe User doesn't want to buy a shiny new smartphone for �400 then have to go looking for a replacement calendar and mail client. Also, Joe User doesn't spend most of his spare time on AAS and other Symbian forums, and doesn't necessarily just know which third-party apps to get or how to get them.
martinharnevie wrote:Now I would at least hope that it's going to go back to the Psion days again. One application build will work for ALL devices
When has that ever happened with open source? That is less likely than ever now.
GNU Emacs or Lucid Emacs ?
GNOME or KDE ?
Qt or Gtk ?
Linux or BSD ?!
Open source developers can't agree on anything. Taking Symbian open source means you'll NEVER have a unified UI.
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Here we go again, another one completely misses the point
</quote>Sorry, but that's just bollocks. There was a thriving Psion developer community, which didn't rely on giving customers crap apps out of the box. Joe User doesn't want to buy a shiny new smartphone for �400 then have to go looking for a replacement calendar and mail client. Also, Joe User doesn't spend most of his spare time on AAS and other Symbian forums, and doesn't necessarily just know which third-party apps to get or how to get them.
Apology accepted. Just ask yourself why Nokia/Symbian don't supply out of the box?
How easy it would be to have a deal and ship a part-crippled app as is done with Quick-Office. Nokia are not in the app business. And the average Joe User is not all that bothered about the html client. If they were bothered then they could easily do something about it. I did.
If I recall, the Psions were not connected devices, their email app was fairly poor and the average Joe User bought them for a bit of calendar/task synching.
It's no accident that the email app is basic. I absolutely guarantee it. Just buy one, get one that meets your needs, not a one size fits all attempt.
martinharnevie wrote:There are about 200 million or so Symbian users, and it is logical for these users to phase out their old MP3 players in favour of built-in players.
I wouldn't phase out an iPod for in favour of a crap that can't even play tracks gaplessly.
Guess Who wrote:I wouldn't phase out an iPod for in favour of a crap that can't even play tracks gaplessly.
It's easy enough to play gapless music on a Symbian phone. Just use a proper music program, and don't use the mp3 format.
But then again, no music program can play mp3 files gaplessly, because it's a limitation of the mp3 format.