Steve and I have had the Samsung i8510 (a.k.a. the INNOV8, in some markets) for the best part of a week, putting it through its paces. In all honesty, it's too early for a full review because there are some things needing to be attended to by Samsung, but what Steve was really interested in was how well the screen, 8 mp camera, focussing camcorder and DSP-powered music playback performed. I hope you'll be interested too.
Read on in the full article.
Can the music player play *.ogg files? Ogg Vorbis.
very good review steve i am thinking of getting this beast of a phone,it's much better than anything that nokia have at present time.
There are just too many bugs.
I bought the n95 8GB when it first released and did not encounter any serious faults. Yes there were a couple of minor glitches but nothing like what's been described here.
I'm glad I didn't jump ship and will be waiting for the n85 instead.
Nokia probably has much better support.
CallMeISpy - the N95 8GB in very early versions (pre-release-ish) did have a number of problems - and it had the N95 to build on.
Its probably worth pointing out that for some of these bugs you really need to push the device (thats what we try and do here at AAS).
For example the video plays back just fine on the device and via TV-out - if you take if off the device for editing you may have problems (but Nokia Video Manager - in contrast to QT - plays things back perfectly).
If you're coming to the device from something like the N95 8GB or N82 you'll probably find its not that big a leap (and some weaknesses as noted). i.e. upgraders may want to think carefully, but If you're new to high end then this should definitely be an option in the mix.
And the crucial point is that these days software updates can make a very big difference over time (N95 classic being the best example of this)
More content in due course.
Lets hope Samsung does iron out bugs. More competition can only be a good thing.
the N96 will be even tougher for compatibility as its a totally different processor! The i8510 has the OMAP 3430 (the N95 8gb had the 3420).
check out this list of apps that work and don't work. I love this phone, and I'm chuffed with it; new firmware will make it even better.
http://samsungi8510.com/forum/samsung-i8510-innov8-games-and-applications.html
iphone iphone iphone
hmm...iphone 3G.
lets see;
1) locked music application. Lovely. If you like iTunes DRM.
2) No camera on the front for videocalling, or Slingbox, or watching streaming tv channels. What a shower of s***e.
3) MMS? My crappy Nokia from 5 years ago did MMS. Your iPhone doesn't
4) 2 Megapixel camera, really pushing the forefront huh. not like the i8510's 8 Megapixel cam
5) I love the way its fully unlocked, like Symbian's Hinnka.fl making Quake conversions, C2doom and a healthy community of developers....oh wait. There ain't one.
6) Great how you can get it unlocked and Apple don't mind. 😉
7) Really easy to text on that iPhone, as long as you have a nipple on your finger that is.
8) Bluetooth file transfer is excellent. Oh, what do you mean there is no bluetooth file transfer? Oh, you can't actually access the file system.
oooh...iPhone will SUCK then, huh
So why are still people lining up to buy it?
Has it ever been a line to buy a Nokia anywhere? Ever?
hey guys. Samsung has come out with a gr8 phone. Lets not insult it buy clubbing its forum to some other phone that too when that is not on symbian. I like comparisions but i guess even innov8 will appreciate being compared to n 96 and n 85 and would like to see how is it measuring up to latest nokia offerings!
For us, the hardcore symbian lovers, the point is, does this phone offer us the alternative of nokia in the symbian world at this level. The high end. The power users.
The way this phone is shaping up, my gut feel says yes. I can choose it over nokias once the firmware is stabilised.
Just a quick question - whats the future of symbian at samsung now thats its selling its stake to nokia?
i do not think it is going to affect the samsung phones running on symbian platform. They will keep buying symbian licences for their phones. Of course, nokia will pocket the royalties but thats it. I do not think samsung will pull its phone out of symbian. If that happens, then its not good for us as users. Will it happen? No. Will anything change? No. Just that a few more millions in finnish company's kitty!
there's no line to buy Nokias you know why?
because companies buy them in bulk and get them via Mail, go and waste your time buying a 90's hardware phone... oh I forgot.. with Touch xD!
malerocks wrote :
> Just a quick question - whats the future of symbian at samsung now
> thats its selling its stake to nokia?
It would seem to me more certain than before if you read the details of the
Symbian Foundation : http://www.symbianfoundation.com/
ashu wrote :
> i do not think it is going to affect the samsung phones running on
> symbian platform. They will keep buying symbian licences for their
> phones.
Eh? Don't they just have to join the symbian foundation? From
http://www.symbianfoundation.com/ is seems they have already committed
to doing so. That's an anual payment, if I'm not mistaken. I guess you
might call that a licence...they call it a 'fee'...seems significantly
different to how it's worked in the past, at least, since that was
royalty based - ie per phone.
> Of course, nokia will pocket the royalties but thats it.
Well, maybe in the short term. The Symbian Foundation will 'start
operating' in the first half of 2009, so at that time, things will be
better for Samsung since it's only $1500 per year, which is surely lower
than what they pay at the moment.
They'll also be better off in the long term, since they'll move 'the
platform' to Open Source during the 'next two years' under the Eclipse
Public License. Furthermore, it will be for free (ie no cost).
> I do
> not think samsung will pull its phone out of symbian. If that happens,
> then its not good for us as users. Will it happen? No. Will anything
> change? No. Just that a few more millions in finnish company's kitty!
I don't think this is correct. I think this following statement is most
telling ('free' means 'no charge' in this context) :
The platform will be free and open to develop on from the start whether
you are enthusiast, web designer, professional developer or service
provider. To develop on the platform you will not need to be a member
of the foundation. The Symbian Foundation’s developer program will
provide a single point of access for developer support; providing a wide
offering of tools and resources.
However, I guess none of this has happened yet and so we'll have to wait
until it does to be sure.
As davidmaxwaterma points out, Symbian licences will soon be free of charge, so Nokia won't really make any money from Samsung's use of Symbian.
This is good news for Symbian users, more companies using Symbian means more and better (and cheaper!) Symbian devices overall.
I really hope Samsung gets seriously into the Symbian world as Nokia and Samsung between them cover the majority of phone and smartphone sales worldwide, and their joint endorsement of Symbian could eventually make it the standard mobile OS.
That would also be good if Symbian does become open source, as it would make life much more difficult for closed source OS companies such as Microsoft.
Unregistered wrote:So why are still people lining up to buy it?
Has it ever been a line to buy a Nokia anywhere? Ever?
now why would any normal person want to line up just to buy a phone,it's seems that you are very lonely and sad my friend.
Hi guys, nice preview. Quick question though - given that the Innov8 is in the (Carphone Warehouse) shops right now, do you know if it has the same firmware you were using or did Sammy manage to squeeze in another update first?
thanks for updating. I had no clue whatsoever about it. This does actually means more companies on symbian platform and more choices to us as consumers. But yes, since this thing is still in pipeline, all assumptions.
cirrus wrote:Hi guys, nice preview. Quick question though - given that the Innov8 is in the (Carphone Warehouse) shops right now, do you know if it has the same firmware you were using or did Sammy manage to squeeze in another update first?
The retail firmware is one release on from the ones in our devices. We're getting someone who has a release device from CPW to check out some of the differences - watch this space.
From a quick look we know at least a few of the bugs have been sorted.
Rafe
Unregistered wrote:
3) MMS? My crappy Nokia from 5 years ago did MMS. Your iPhone doesn't
I'd like to clarfiy that the omission of MMS in iPhone is delibrate, just like java, real player and flash support were all removed from iPhone on purpose. Apple always has its own way of doing things out of the box. The omisson of MMS will only benefit the Mobile Service Provider. We can always send picture via email thru WIFI which is free and/or bundled as a package in many countries.
In short, Apple is thought leader not a follower. It is well known for doing things differently and efficiently.
Unregistered wrote:
5) I love the way its fully unlocked, like Symbian's Hinnka.fl making Quake conversions, C2doom and a healthy community of developers....oh wait. There ain't one.6) Great how you can get it unlocked and Apple don't mind. 😉
iPhone is fully unlocked
Unregistered wrote:
7) Really easy to text on that iPhone, as long as you have a nipple on your finger that is.
Text entry is not too bad on iPhone. You will used to it over a short period of time.
I don't want to get sucked into yet another OT iPhone debate, but I can't let this one pass:
"I'd like to clarfiy that the omission of MMS in iPhone is delibrate... We can always send picture via email thru WIFI which is free and/or bundled as a package in many countries."
Eh? Sending a photo by email from an iPhone downsizes it to VGA every single, ****** time. And I speak as an iPhone fan. Really annoying.
Hmmm.. that screen looks really bad outdoors.. As I am not thinking of upgrading from my N82 yet, I think I will wait and see what Nokia's 8mp phone rumoured to be announced before end of the year will offer - I would imagine it would have a better screen. The screen alone might make be go with N96 too, actually.. lot's of sunshine where I live you see. 😃
slitchfield wrote:I don't want to get sucked into yet another OT iPhone debate, but I can't let this one pass:"I'd like to clarfiy that the omission of MMS in iPhone is delibrate... We can always send picture via email thru WIFI which is free and/or bundled as a package in many countries."
Eh? Sending a photo by email from an iPhone downsizes it to VGA every single, ****** time. And I speak as an iPhone fan. Really annoying.
Furthermore, correct me if I'm wrong, but it isn't possible to send an email to someone who has a phone without email. 'All' phones (except Apple's?) can receive MMS messages, so I can easily send images to my wife, who can't (afford to) receive email messages on her phone (N73), and vice-versa.
Am I missing something?
Max.
What I understand even less is: why is there allways an Iphone fan showing up at a Symbian forum saying the Iphone is better. If it's better than anything and you have one, well, good for you. If it's such a perfect device and Apple is THE company, and Steve Jobs is a GOD, then why you have to keep repeating yourself in every Symbian forum that the Iphone is better than X? If you bought it, enjoy it.
If you are ok with no mms, no complete bluetooth support, a sh***y camera, no videocalls, etc. etc. etc. etc. then good for you, enjoy your good looking Iphone with very nice UI. For us, it's just not enough, that's why we prefer symbian smartphones. Regards.
After Nokia bought over Symbian, I am not so sure if Samsung or even SE will continue to use Symbian in the future. Don't forget both Samsung and SE are competitors of Nokia.
In addition, Google will be launching Android platform very soon. It is also free of charge to hardware manufacturers like Samsung and SE. More importantly, Google is not perceived as a competitor to Samsung and SE because the main purpose of Google launching Android is to defeat Microsoft Mobile for the advertising revenue. According to the reports that I have read, Android supports iPhone-like UI and is much more intuitive than Symbian.
It is important to note that Android is not a competitor to iPhone OS X because OSX is not available to other hardware manufacturers. Android is designed to provide iPhone-like platform for non iPhone manufacters like Samsung and SE. Of course iPhone will continue to be a niche player in the mobile market.
My guess is that many hardware manufacturers like Samsung, LG, SE, HTC etc. will migrate to Android while Nokia will continue to use Symbian. The loser of this whole game will be Microsoft Mobile.
It is going to be to be very exciting to see how the mobile market will evolve in 2009. Let wait and see.
Tzer2 wrote:As davidmaxwaterma points out, Symbian licences will soon be free of charge, so Nokia won't really make any money from Samsung's use of Symbian.This is good news for Symbian users, more companies using Symbian means more and better (and cheaper!) Symbian devices overall.
I really hope Samsung gets seriously into the Symbian world as Nokia and Samsung between them cover the majority of phone and smartphone sales worldwide, and their joint endorsement of Symbian could eventually make it the standard mobile OS.
That would also be good if Symbian does become open source, as it would make life much more difficult for closed source OS companies such as Microsoft.
To be honest, i don't see any reasons that would keep Nokia using Andriod, if there is a market demand... If it is so good, then using it on Nokia phones would help Nokia sell them...
Or what am i missing?
-sc
...any reason that would keep Nokia from using Andriod...
this is what i meant...
-sc
Fireseed wrote:What I understand even less is: why is there allways an Iphone fan showing up at a Symbian forum saying the Iphone is better. If it's better than anything and you have one, well, good for you. If it's such a perfect device and Apple is THE company, and Steve Jobs is a GOD, then why you have to keep repeating yourself in every Symbian forum that the Iphone is better than X? If you bought it, enjoy it.If you are ok with no mms, no complete bluetooth support, a sh***y camera, no videocalls, etc. etc. etc. etc. then good for you, enjoy your good looking Iphone with very nice UI. For us, it's just not enough, that's why we prefer symbian smartphones. Regards.
Makes me dislike the iPhone even more because mactards gives Apple a bad name. I don't want to be associated with these kids...
Back on topic.
I may consider this instead of the new N-series. At the moment you can get this 16GB version on contract for �40 per month on 12 months contract or even lower on 18 months. This should give Nokia enough time to release something amazing, perhaps the Tube.
Any of you guys have experience with the BB Bold? I heard it's quite an advancement from previous RIM devices. Many say it's better than E71.
A bit OT - but just some thoughts on Android (wrt to Samsung to keep it slightly on topic)..
If anything the Symbian Foundation (the ultimate aim of Nokia buying Symbian) is likely to increase Symbian adoption. It removes the license fees and goes open source. More importantly it removes the platform (S60) from direct Nokia control. There's no doubt Nokia will be infleuntial of course.
Google, with its service platform, is just as much a competitor in the longer term.... Compete in hardware vs compete in services... Its the same reason why Microsoft has had trouble finding phone manufacturer partners. I imagine Samsung will provides phones running on each of the different platform.
Android is unproven at the moment - that doesn't mean it will fail, but it is going to be a while before it is mature and can serisouly challenge. Its big advantage (open source) was largely taken away by the SF in my opinion.
For a company like Samsung continuing to invest in Symbian makes a lot of sense (especially given their experience and its maturity). The current signs certainly point towards Symbian (device releases, various statements). I imagine they'll keep their options open though.