why nokia? why?....time to switch to apple

6 replies · 4,570 views · Started 28 January 2009

l1nknp4rk 28 Jan 2009, 09:20

is there anyone out there that can tell me why nokia is using resistive touch in the n97 and and still has not implemented capacitive touch in any of its phones ? I used the 5800 for 2 weeks and touch screen sensitivity was horrible. I had to constantly re-tap the same thing or use my nail to get it to work. the only way it was receptive was when i used the stylus. but I dont understand why anyone would want to use a stylus if there getting a touchscreen phone with a screen that big. doesnt it seem pointless? maybe there are a few people out there who have thumbs that are to big so nokia wants to accommodate them by making a resistive screen with a stylus? and using the stylus requires the use of both hands so that doesnt help all the nokia fans' argument against the iphones requirement of both hands.

I used an iphone for 2 days and found myself wondering why I stuck with nokia so long...its vastly easier to use, faster, innovative, and fun to use. I constantly found myself wanting to hold it and use it, which i never experienced when i had the n95 8gb, n85 or 5800.

the iphone may not be able to do small things like copy/paste, or transfer files over bluetooth, (how often do ppl transfer files through bluetooth anyway), but it can things a phone is supposed to do like.... making a call, being able to hear the other person on the phone, charging without turning off, and not needing a firmware update every month to fix more bugs.....My n85 had all these problems and the 5800 had a few as well. How can the largest phone manufacturer in the world not be able to create a phone that can do the most fundamental things such as making a call or charge itself properly?I no everyone that owned these phones didnt experience all these problems but alot of people did and thats inexcusable.

I no nokias have much better cameras, can play mp3s directly, has internet flash player , but the iphone more than makes up for it with its sllick UI, large capacitive display, multi touch capability, fast and easy to navigate web browser and that little thing called the appstore, which blows away anything a nokia phone can offer.
the ability to quickly and easily download any app directly from your phone is a convenience nokia needs to adopt asap. there download place is a joke.

if theres anyone that can say anything to change my mind or offer me a different perspective please do so becuase ive had to many bad experiences with nokias.

clonmult 28 Jan 2009, 10:27

Have you seen the number of firmware updates applied to the iPhone? You've got your head in the clouds if you think that Apples firmware is perfect.

I regularly transfer files via bluetooth - mainly videos between colleagues.

One possible reason for their not using a capacitive touch screen is that such are awkward to use in the cold - impossible to use with gloves, whereas a resistive touch screen is usable in all conditions.

I've used an iPhone on occasion, and once the initial "w00t, iPhone" had subsided, I got bored incredibly quickly. A lack of a physical keyboard will be a sticking point on games - there's only so much you can do with an accelerometer and a touch screen.

For me the N95 is a better bet - proper sat nav is available on the N95, and such apps are not available for the iPhone (turn by turn sat nav is explicitly prohibited by their SDK). Proper multi tasking is not available on the iPhone either, which I do use on a regular basis.

But at the end of the day, its totally your choice.

bartmanekul 28 Jan 2009, 10:55

I have had the 5800 since Monday, and I really like it. Im getting along well with the touchscreen.

Personally, I prefer resistive touch, that way I can use a stylus if I want. Such as using that little paint app. Am I right in thinking that a capacitive touch will not work with stylus?

But I can see your point. If you have very large thumbs then it might be difficult, and I dont like using the stylus for general use either.

For me the 5800 is fun to use, and yet has the functions I need.

Once Garmin comes out with a new version to support it (which they are BTW), I'll be very happy indeed.

Apart from all the usual things about the iphone - hobbled BT, no video etc - there is still no satnav solutions for it (personally I think those Tomtom talks amounted to nothing).

You really are on the wrong forum for a post like that.

Most people here need all the usual functions, so are not going to be inclined towards iphones no matter what. If it doesnt do what you need, then it doesnt matter how nice it is.

but the iphone more than makes up for it with its sllick UI, large capacitive display, multi touch capability, fast and easy to navigate web browser and that little thing called the appstore, which blows away anything a nokia phone can offer.

In your opinion, mine is that the lack of features I actually use make it a very expensive and pointless purchase.

if theres anyone that can say anything to change my mind or offer me a different perspective please do so becuase ive had to many bad experiences with nokias.

Why? You have already made up your mind. You obviously like the iphone, get it and be happy with it, after all thats the number 1 requirement. No point having a phone if you dont like using it.

Tbh, if you want a touchscreen device and cannot get along with resistive touch, the only option is iphone (unless theres some capacitive touch WM phones I dont know about).

ironass 28 Jan 2009, 11:59

I suppose at the end of the day it's a question of "horses for courses". It really depends on what you use your phone for and what you want from it.

Texting

If you send and receive a lot of texts then perhaps the iPhone is not for you. I found texting, using the N95-1 and 2, to be a lot faster than the iPhone plus I can use it single handed.
Perhaps the most important feature you may miss, I know I did, was receiving an email joke and being able to forward it to my group jokes in contacts (about 30) straight away. The iPhone has no such facility natively and so to achieve the same result you will need a pencil and paper and writ your text out and then type it into the iPhone and then send it to the first receipient. You then repeat this process another 29 times and you've done the same as the N95 can in seconds. I am informed that there is a non Apple approved app that can send multiple texts but this requires the iPhone to be hacked! However next time you plug in and get an update it will be unhacked and you will have to start again.

Bluetooth

The iPhone only connects to it's headset! This means no bluetoothing ringtones, photo's, files, etc. No car connections. What's that about?

Cut 'n Paste

I am told that there is now a cut 'n paste app out although it is not native to the iPhone. Not sure how true this is.

Camera

The iPhone only has a 2mp camera, with no flash so don't plan on using it after dark or indoors much. It also has no video capabilities, so video is out.

Video calling

No chance. See above.

Signal

There are lots of reports of signal problems with the 3G. One of the reasons that O2 first took it on was that they still had a large EDGE network which the iPhone 1 could work on. However since the release of the 3G this has proved a problem as their 3G/HSDPA network is behind the likes of other operators such as Vodafone. I particularly noticed this in the rural area that I live in.

MMS Picture messaging

Again not a native application for the iPhone but, again, I believe there is a workaround for this.

Voice dialling

Forget it. You will have to let your fingers do the walking on this one (and that means both hands again).

Battery

There's no denying that the N95 is a thirsty battery monster, I charge mine nightly, but it is after all a mini laptop. The same can be said for the iPhone. However, I carry a spare, fully charged battery for the N95. This doesn't apply to the iPhone as the battery is soldered in. It also means that when you need to change the battery the iPhone will have to be sent away and you will be charged.

Maps

Whilst the iPhone does have Google Maps don't expect the turn by turn voice directions available on the N95.

Having said all that, I have to say that I do like the large screen and the touch screen capabilities on the iPhone's music player but there it ends I'm afraid.

As I said at the beginning, it's horses for courses.

mstruve 28 Jan 2009, 12:59

Horses for courses is right. I recently went for an iPhone after 3 years with Symbian (N80 then N95), and after a fair bit of discussion on here about the other options to consider.

Like the OP, I think it was the right choice for me - it's far better suited to my needs despite having technically less functionality than other smartphones.

But basically I think Symbian and iPhone are not comparable. They're aimed at a completely different type of user. I have discovered since having an iPhone that Symbian just wasn't for me. Maybe they'll get better but, for me at least, they've got a fair way to go to catch up with the iPhone.

NB on my N95 I never or rarely used: satnav, camera, copy/paste, video calling, MMS, text forwarding. So yeah, maybe just the wrong phone for me. 😊

clonmult 28 Jan 2009, 13:37

mstruve wrote:Horses for courses is right. I recently went for an iPhone after 3 years with Symbian (N80 then N95), and after a fair bit of discussion on here about the other options to consider.
Like the OP, I think it was the right choice for me - it's far better suited to my needs despite having technically less functionality than other smartphones.
But basically I think Symbian and iPhone are not comparable. They're aimed at a completely different type of user. I have discovered since having an iPhone that Symbian just wasn't for me. Maybe they'll get better but, for me at least, they've got a fair way to go to catch up with the iPhone.
NB on my N95 I never or rarely used: satnav, camera, copy/paste, video calling, MMS, text forwarding. So yeah, maybe just the wrong phone for me. 😊

Well said - each to their own 😉 I regularly use the SatNav, the camera is often my primary, cut/paste used on occasion, and I'm regularly sending picture messages.

Don't doubt that Apple will work on these, but totally at their own pace - no way will they be dictated by anyone!

l1nknp4rk 29 Jan 2009, 10:53

[email protected], you do make some really good points, i would really miss the mms, superior camera, forward messaging, copy/paste, bluetooth, and definitely would miss the one handed use. Most of these seem to onvolve texting in way or another, but some can be handled by 3rd party apps. the voice dialing, satnav, video calling, are hardly or never used. and the 3g iphone does have voice navigation and the 3g signal doesnt seem to be an issue in the US.
but phone stability is also a big issue, many of my friends have iphones and i rarely hear them complaining of there phone restarting itself, or having problems hearing the other person on the line or dropping calls, while my nokias seem to do this frequently, and many others experience this as well. Its very irritating that such a large phone manufacturer f**** up on such fundamental aspects of a phone.