convince me!

I use my phone primarily left-handed...

And I wouldn't trade in my 7650, either.

You could argue that the 7650 is like a Ferrari without a gas tank.
You have a great phone with great abilities but it can't perform due to lacking the most profound component.
The P800 however is equipped with a memory slot which is /the/ argument for getting it.

At the end of the day it all comes down to storage.
In about a month time I'll be able to get 128 mb memory stick DUOs.
With those I'll be able to transfer files between home and work.
I'll be able to create multiple MP3 (or other soundformats for that matter) playlists.
I'll even be able to download entire films and watch on the move.

If it's just a question of memory, wouldn't it make more sense to wait for the 3650 with it's (*much* cheaper) SD slot?

Alan

I have some experience with the 7650 and loved it. I think the design is great, however, when the time came to spend the money I got the P800. Soon the software capabilities will be the same in both, I mean, symbian IS symbian. Office packs, T9, all those things will come and if oyu have a P800 you'll be able to add the to your phone without fear of running out of memory.

The PDA function is much better in the P800. I am big on notes & appointments. I use the jotter a lot. I like the MAC like habilitiy to interact between applications and the knowledge that while the 7650 has realized it's full potential. The P800 (not even really released internationally yet) still has not realized this potential. In about 4 months, with the new Upgrades, including the Symbian upgrade, the new programs and the memory expansion you will not be able to even think of this 2 as similar devices. Nokia will have to releas a new phone to compete with SE. Then again SE will release a new phone too and we'll all be having this conversations again.

ahem!!! what SD slot? you mean MMC? 3650 is a real ugly beast

Hmmm... Good points there, Me. Are SE planing an OS/UI update anytime soon?

I have to admit that I'm not exactly a huge fan of the 3650's styling, but the SD/MMC slot would be a huge bonus.

Any other comments?

Expandable memory
big Screen
better speaker
more function ( words ,excel) can see and edit
games no problem support jar, jad, sis Format in sym 70
bluetooth support everything
View mp4 clips/movies
Listen mp3
Best thing is memory STick is sony universal

7650 - 3MB memory too litte !
3650 - mp4 clip dont support Sounds. so wat when it have video cam ??
( many ppl say that is a replacement for 7650 for not able to expand in memory )

I previously had a 7650, what really lets it down is the measly amount of memory. I'm really glad that I got a p800. It Pi**es all over what is currently on the market.

I for one can deal with the limited memory, perhaps because i'm used to it because of my earlier palmos-pdas 😉.

This is a bit off-topic... but...

Sky... doesn't your avatar mean "day" in Chinese?

Well. Just to make my oppinion. The T68 Was the best phone ever invented. Easy, copatible with everything, and it was really stable, and it didn't matter if it went out your pocket and onto the floor.

The 7650, Why do it has to be so big, and why is it so ugly a design. The buttons are unnessesary.

yes there a tons of software, but it has been on the marked for over 6 monts. No wonder.

Just read this forum, SE hasen't released anything yet. But look at all the software already avail. And ofcourse, there are software updates coming. If SE dosnt make a firmware with the new QUI, some one else will. It's nothing but a simple computer. Understand it's language and it's your best and most flexible friend. 😊 I love my PDA, uh forgot to mention the phone; dosn't use it that much. 😊

[quote="Tigerdyr2"]Well. Just to make my oppinion. The T68 Was the best phone ever invented. Easy, copatible with everything, and it was really stable, and it didn't matter if it went out your pocket and onto the floor.
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You have to be joking? It has to be by far the worst phone I've ever used, it's slow, fails to connect calls, has an inconsistent interface. I forget how many phone book entried I've deleted by mistake because of the bad UI design.

You right about it's durability though. I threw mine at the wall when it failed to connect a call after 5 attempts. Dented the wall and still had power, unfortunately.

It was the first and the last Ericsson I'll ever own.

[quote="Tigerdyr2"]Well. Just to make my oppinion. The T68 Was the best phone ever invented. Easy, copatible with everything, and it was really stable, and it didn't matter if it went out your pocket and onto the floor.
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You have to be joking? It has to be by far the worst phone I've ever used, it's slow, fails to connect calls, has an inconsistent interface. I forget how many phone book entried I've deleted by mistake because of the bad UI design.

You right about it's durability though. I threw mine at the wall when it failed to connect a call after 5 attempts. Dented the wall and still had power, unfortunately.

It was the first and the last Ericsson I'll ever own.

Comparing the P800 with the 7650 is like comparing an Apple with a Potato. Both good for different things. The 7650 is primarily a phone with some additional functionality (i.e. PDA features). The P800 is primarily a PDA with additional phone features. Symbian clearly think there is a market for both and I wouldn't be surprised if we see a UIQ device from Nokia in the fullness of time, or a Series 60 device from SE (less likely).

The handwriting recognition/stylus is what does it for me. If you want to push buttons all day long, stick with the 7650.

i have to agree and i work for vodafone t68 was the best handset in a long time nokia has let it all go too there heads nearly every phone they bring out now is just poor(apart from the 7650) the 8310 and the 7210 are just so bugy we get two or three back every few days

but no were here the same amount of s/e phones

oh the 6310i for a long while only work on bluetooth with hbh-20 and they dumped theres(bluetooth) and started again dont fill me with hope

Its just as simple as this. The P800 can and will be able to do what the 7650 can do, but the 7650 cant what the P800 can do 😊

I know slightly disagree with you, christomas. There is still no video-messaging Software for the P800. And I miss my T9 and SMS-delivery-reports...

But I have a PDA that works amazingly well (Sharp Zaurus). The P800 seems to be seriously lacking in decent phone functionality. It may well be an ok PDA (small screen than the Zaurus, no WiFi etc) but it seems like a rubbish phone.

[quote="muggy"]If it's just a question of memory, wouldn't it make more sense to wait for the 3650 with it's (*much* cheaper) SD slot?

Alan[/quote]

Hahahahahaha, you're joking right?
That's what the 3650 is, a joke.
The 7650 with a mem slot would be neat but the 3650, no thanks...

About those other functinalities, lets try to give it a few more months and we'll see. Softwares and upgrades are just beginning to come out for this marvelous phone. Maybe aftr 3 months you guys will see what this fone is indeed capable of 😊

well, here is the ALL WRONG POINTS YOU MENTIONED:

First of all, u dont like the jog dial on the left side, but if u think for one second only u will find it ligically to be there because when u use the stylus u will not use it in your left hand, and if u used the phone for some time, u will find a great companion of use: using the stylus at the same time using the jog dial. I LIKE IT, it is perfect.

Second: T9!!! First: who would use a t9 with such a phone?? 😃 , and second, Who told u the t68 does not T9 ? Do u know that i have sold my Nokia 7650 and then i bought the T68.

So u think the Design of the 7650 is better than the p800!! Look well man, Try the p800 for sometime, and u will throw away your all OLD mobiles. LIKE I DID.

I too have started thinking about getti,ng one.but the lack of joystick has made it difficult.
by the way any good gameds on the p800?I have heard that quake is coming.also how do you play doom without a joystick?

I think sky's avatar means death.

[quote="Tigerdyr2"]Well. Just to make my oppinion. The T68 Was the best phone ever invented. Easy, copatible with everything, and it was really stable, and it didn't matter if it went out your pocket and onto the floor.[/quote]

I currently own a T68i. A company mobile that I cannot really change till September. You say "was the best phone". Past tense? You want mine? I'll swap you for some peanuts and tell my boss I lost it.

It is the worst piece of technology I have ever used. I prefer MS Windows 3.1 to it. I prefer my Archos to it. I prefer my original Motorola (think it was an MR2) to it.

I have never seen UI "design" like it. I have no idea what Ericsson's design engineer's were thinking. I have no idea what Sony was doing agreeing to put their name to it.

If you play with it for ten minutes it is a beautiful phone. Superficially it is fantastic. Great display, light, long battery, virtually indestructible. It has bluetooth, GPRS, lots of memory for messages and pictures. If you're not a heavy phone it is lovely. I can only assume you have never attempted to use it in anger. Or maybe you got the "one-good-phone" as everyone I know who has had one has quickly tried to get rid of it.

One thing they did get right was how the phone tells you things whilst you are on a call. Rather than a horrible beep to indicate battery low or message received, if you are on a call you get a lovely soft bing-bong. Shame it wasn't documented (to my knowledge) as I had no idea what it was!

My (short) list of problems.

(1) It is slow
I don't want to have to wait 5 seconds after ending a call to make another call. I don't want to have to wait several seconds between menu options. I don't want to have T9 about 3 words behind me.
(2) Its UI is flaky
The menus alter depending on what type of message you are looking at. If the message is in your inbox, it is <3> to delete, an unsent message it is <2> to send, a sent message is <1>. Menu options should not change like this, especially when the menus take so long to appear. When typing in T9, it is <7> to change to multi-tap, but <6> to change back. This is frustrating especially when the T9 system repeatedly refuses to learn simple words that I use all the time.
The sequence to lock the phone occassionaly deletes phone-book entries, and sometimes phonebook entries just disappear by themselves.
(3) The communicam
Its horrendous. To view pictures you have just taken you have to go through a number of horrendously slow menu options. The nokias discussed here show the picture as you are taking it.
(4) Reception
I often have no signal when others with the same network but different phones have full. Even when I have full signal calls sometimes still do not get through. This isn't network congestion, as resetting the phone allows calls to be taken.
When receiving text messages, the phone can lock up. If the phone is near a speaker at the time, the audio pattern that we're all familiar with can be heard repeating for 2 to 3 minutes. Whilst this is happening the phone is unusable. This then causes the same message to be received regularly over the next 48 hours, as the network obviously thinks I did not receive it. Receiving the same message at 3am, 4.30am can really upset you, especially when you sometimes have to have your phone on all night (I recently agreed to do 24/7 support occassionaly for work - I need the money to buy a new phone)

I could continue, but I won't bore you any long with my pain.

On another note, the P800 uses Sony Duo's which at the moment have a maximum of 16Meg. Not much music on that then. Fortunately the 3650 is going to MMC, which currently have much higher capacity. Not that any of this matter because who wants to waste their battery life listening to MP3s. Get an MP3 player!

Maybe I'm just a heavy phone user (I send about 50 texts a day, am on calls constantly, and would use it for email and web-browsing [through GPRS] from my Zaurus if I could get it to actually work) but really, it upsets me when I hear people making encouraging noises about this phone. If they get back to Ericsson they will never change their ways.

This phone is ruining my life.

Paul

Hazem77, you make some fair points, but remeber that not all of us would use a stylus with our right hand...
I never said the t68 didn't have T9 - you're getting wires crossed.

I'm also worried about the lack of buttons on the P800 - makes games tricky and having a quick access method to apps (in the similar vein to the Palm and virtually _all_ other PDAs) seems like a neccessity that SE have overlooked (no big suprise there - SE designers must have a 'different' view on UIs to the rest of the world)