The Nokia 5800 is to make its debut in Singapore soon with Nokia's all-you-can-eat "Comes With Music" service built-in, which allows unlimited downloads from the Nokia Music Store for one year. In related news, the Nokia Music Store has just opened up branches in Switzerland and in Austria.
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Not bad, 15 countries already. I wish they can spread to cover whole of EU, open in the US, and convince music labels to drop DRM (my guss its not a Nokia decision unlike some people seem to say)! China would be even better (it being the biggest market for N Series) but I suspect that won't happen. 😊 India might, I guess.
In case you missed it, iTunes is now DRM free and cheaper, with Amazon being even cheaper still. Nokia is late to the party again as usual. The 5800XM while selling well is a PR disaster with all the technological and engineering problems the phone is having. I recently freed my entire iTunes library from DRM and now have the same songs residing on my iPhone and my E71. Why would I want to tie myself to DRM and DRM sponsored by M$? Nokia, stop the investment on the NMS, spend it on better quality control for your phones (E90, N95, N85, N78, 5800XM - all QC disasters) and strengthen the brand in other ways. You are too late to the party with iTunes and Amazon already eating your lunch.
Let the NMS die and rest in peace
You trolls aren't very subtle are you? 😊
In case you missed it, iTunes is now DRM free and cheaper
In case you missed it, Comes With Music lets you download unlimited numbers of tracks for free. You just buy the CWM phone, and there's no extra cost at all.
Do iTunes or Amazon let you download unlimited free tracks? No.
So how on earth can iTunes or Amazon be cheaper than Comes With Music?
I recently freed my entire iTunes library from DRM and now have the same songs residing on my iPhone and my E71.
...and if you buy a CWM handset you can put the same songs on that as well, for no extra charge, plus millions of other songs too.
The DRM on Comes With Music is pretty much irrelevant because you're not actually having to buy any tracks, so there isn't any money being tied to anything. If you don't like it you can walk away and you haven't lost anything.
Honestly Mr Troll, do some research next time, then maybe we might take your rants a bit more seriously.
Unregistered wrote:In case you missed it, iTunes is now DRM free and cheaper, with Amazon being even cheaper still. Nokia is late to the party again as usual. The 5800XM while selling well is a PR disaster with all the technological and engineering problems the phone is having. I recently freed my entire iTunes library from DRM and now have the same songs residing on my iPhone and my E71. Why would I want to tie myself to DRM and DRM sponsored by M$? Nokia, stop the investment on the NMS, spend it on better quality control for your phones (E90, N95, N85, N78, 5800XM - all QC disasters) and strengthen the brand in other ways. You are too late to the party with iTunes and Amazon already eating your lunch.
Why do these comments always come from unregistereds?*
While I am a very firm critic of Nokias build quality (I think it's going to pot in general), the 5800 is extremely far from a PR disaster. If you think that you are either an apple fanboy (my guess), or have your head under a rock.
It's a PR dream for Nokia. Their first (proper) touchscreen device beating the iphone in sales? Hmmm.
Time to maybe stop unregistered comments on news articles?
[SIZE="1"]* Answer - because it's always the same people, and if they registered it would become obvious as all they do is bash anything not apple.[/SIZE]
Tzer2 wrote:You trolls aren't very subtle are you? 😊In case you missed it, Comes With Music lets you download unlimited numbers of tracks for free. You just buy the CWM phone, and there's no extra cost at all.
Do iTunes or Amazon let you download unlimited free tracks? No.
So how on earth can iTunes or Amazon be cheaper than Comes With Music?
...and if you buy a CWM handset you can put the same songs on that as well, for no extra charge, plus millions of other songs too.
The DRM on Comes With Music is pretty much irrelevant because you're not actually having to buy any tracks, so there isn't any money being tied to anything. If you don't like it you can walk away and you haven't lost anything.
Honestly Mr Troll, do some research next time, then maybe we might take your rants a bit more seriously.
Troll in Tzer speak = anyone that does not fall in and praise Nokia for doing stupid things. I guess troll for me and lemming fanboy for you. Maybe if you did not cherry pick my post, you would see that I have nothing against Nokia. In fact I hope it succeeds. I just do not believe everything they do is the latest and greatest.
CWM - I change phones at a minimum of every three months. Will CWM transfer to the new phones? What if I do not have a CWM phone, but decided that I want an E-series, then a N-series? Explanation please. I never said Amazon or iTunes was free. I said DRM free. Are you saying you can't tell the difference? Is comprehension a problem with you?
Honestly Mr. Fangirl try not to be a kool aid drinker and think for yourself.
You started with the name calling so do not be surprised that you get it back.....
bartmanekul wrote:Why do these comments always come from unregistereds?*While I am a very firm critic of Nokias build quality (I think it's going to pot in general), the 5800 is extremely far from a PR disaster. If you think that you are either an apple fanboy (my guess), or have your head under a rock.
It's a PR dream for Nokia. Their first (proper) touchscreen device beating the iphone in sales? Hmmm.
Time to maybe stop unregistered comments on news articles?
[SIZE="1"]* Answer - because it's always the same people, and if they registered it would become obvious as all they do is bash anything not apple.[/SIZE]
Actually you are both correct. Disaster because of the monumental thread over on the Nokia forum. A boon because the 5800XM is kicking butt. I think the market is large enough for both. Time will tell. Personally I am waiting for the N97. Back to the build quality. It seems that Nokia's Asian plants are having problems but a friend had a 5800XM made in Hungary and it went south so I am not sure what is going on with Nokia.
The Comes With Music is an interesting proposal but can you move the music from phone to phone? Also does Nokia have plans to allow after the fact CWM purchases as in, you already have a phone but want a CWM subscription. Has this been talked about? It might be worth mentioning to Nokia.
As for the unreg guys. Many people stop by to look and move on so why bother to go through the chore of registering? I have an N85, E71, N73, E61i, iPod Touch, and an iPhone, and will get an N97 once it is released. I might get a 5800XM just to play with it until the N97 is released. Does that make me an Apple or Nokia fanboy or troll or just someone that can afford to purchase what I want? I think it is too easy to dismiss someone as this or that simply because you (not you personally) happen to disagree with what they say. Really, it gets old.
Troll in Tzer speak = anyone that does not fall in and praise Nokia for doing stupid things.
I've written plenty of articles criticising Nokia and Symbian, so find out who you're talking to before you insult them. Take a look at the "Features" link above.
A troll is someone who says something so provocative and thoughtless that they are apparently only out to annoy people.
Your opening words were "Let the NMS die and rest in peace".
Imagine if someone went on an Apple forum and posted "Let the iTunes Music Store die and rest in peace". How do you think the people there would react?
never said Amazon or iTunes was free.
Never said you did!
You said "iTunes and Amazon are cheaper". I quoted you.
How can iTunes and Amazon be cheaper than CWM, if CWM is free?
Will CWM transfer to the new phones?
Yes, if you buy another CWM phone.
If you buy a non-CWM it won't transfer, but that's the whole point of the service: to encourage people to buy CWM phones.
So what if it doesn't transfer though? You haven't bought the tracks.
CWM - I change phones at a minimum of every three months.
You change phones MORE OFTEN than every three months?
@tzer2,
Look. I got no problems with you. I do think the CWM is not a bad idea but it is flawed and Nokia is late. I understand the push to get me to buy this kind of phone but I might not want to but I still might want all the music, so you can see the problem this presents.
Yes, I trade in phones 3 months or so. I make a lot of money. What can I say?
By the way, the phones that I buy are usually Nokia with the iPhone being the only non-Nokia brand I have bought in many, many years.
@tzer2,
Please excuse my browser challenged friend.... I was nice enough to let him post from my computer but instead of simply closing the browser, nooooo he posted right after me.
Anyway, your point about CWM is valid but I think he has a good point too. He makes quite a bit of money and goes through phones almost as fast as Nokia can launch them. CWM would present a problem for someone like him that goes through phones. If Nokia could address this, then the issue would be a non-issue.
Personally I am in wait and see mode on the CWM..... I agree with bartmanekul about the build quality recently. Nokia needs to bring their A-game and to do it quickly.
By the way, Greg, my co-worker agreed with your article about the photography thing for the 5800XM. As for dropping annoying bombs over in the Apple forums, I am all for it. Apple fanboys can be annoying. They are fair game.
sapporobaby wrote:Actually you are both correct. Disaster because of the monumental thread over on the Nokia forum. A boon because the 5800XM is kicking butt. I think the market is large enough for both. Time will tell. Personally I am waiting for the N97. Back to the build quality. It seems that Nokia's Asian plants are having problems but a friend had a 5800XM made in Hungary and it went south so I am not sure what is going on with Nokia.As for the unreg guys. Many people stop by to look and move on so why bother to go through the chore of registering? I have an N85, E71, N73, E61i, iPod Touch, and an iPhone, and will get an N97 once it is released. I might get a 5800XM just to play with it until the N97 is released. Does that make me an Apple or Nokia fanboy or troll or just someone that can afford to purchase what I want? I think it is too easy to dismiss someone as this or that simply because you (not you personally) happen to disagree with what they say. Really, it gets old.
There is almost always monumental threads on Nokia's forums about something or other on each handset. Even one for the 6110N, which has never been resolved by Nokia.
But to say it's anything like a PR disaster....completely and utterly wrong. I have seen quite a bit about how many have been sold. But nothing about the problems, bar on some forums. Which lets face it, is not PR for the masses however you want to twist it.
The problem I have with unregistereds is that so often there is comments exactly like Tzer says.
E90, N95, N85, N78, 5800XM - all QC disasters
The 5800XM while selling well is a PR disaster with all the technological and engineering problems the phone is having
With comments like that just so far off the mark, there is obviously trolling going around. There was an influx of iphone fanboys here sometime ago, and how can you not wonder if they are still around with comments like that? It ruins the thread, as seen here.
Unfortunatly, it's also possible it's a genuine opinion from someone, which is the only reason I don't delete such posts. If it was registered only, it's very obvious if it's the same ones over and over again.
Coming back to CWM, yes it has been dealt a very heavy blow with the competitors going DRM free. I know which would appeal to me now. I hate hassle most of all, and having to fiddle about with account, rights etc just for changing device, well its a PITA.
Oh, and Nokia are perfectly capable of doing decent build quality. Get the people responsible for making the E series. They look better, and are built much better.
By the way, Greg, my co-worker agreed with your article about the photography thing for the 5800XM. As for dropping annoying bombs over in the Apple forums, I am all for it. Apple fanboys can be annoying. They are fair game.
I don't want to "drop annoying bombs" on any forums.
This is why Unregistered's accusations of being a mindless fan are so annoying, I am NOT a mindless fan. I don't really care what platform or device people use, and the only reason I concentrate on writing about Symbian is because the site I work for is called "All About Symbian". If someone wants to pay me to write about another platform I will do very gladly. Most of the people on this site DO write about many platforms, for example Steve Litchfield writes for a site called All About iPhone.
If we're going to compare devices or services we should look at the good points and the bad points fairly, and in a way that respects people who disagree with us.
It's a fair point to say NMS might be too late to directly compete with iTunes and Amazon, but "unregistered" was going waaaaaay beyond that and talking in really extreme terms about failure and death and stuff like that.
Calm down people, these are just phones! 😊
And whatever your opinion of NMS and CWM, the one thing you cannot say is that they're a failure because they haven't really launched yet.
CWM is only available in the UK on a limited number of models, it hasn't been made available on the 5800 yet, and it hasn't been made available in other countries.
NMS hasn't launched in most countries either, so it too is difficult to judge.
The first generation iPod was a commercial disaster. It took years for the iPod and iTunes to establish themselves as a success, and even then iTunes didn't really make a profit. Very few iPod owners bought iTunes tracks when it launched, even Steve Jobs admitted that the typical user bought perhaps one or two iTunes albums a year.
We've got to give Nokia the same chance we gave Apple, let them show what they can do given enough time. Even when things go wrong, a company can learn from that and try again, which is how the iPod became a success in the first place.
Yes, I trade in phones 3 months or so. I make a lot of money. What can I say?
The point I'm making is that 99.9% of phone users do not upgrade their phones every three months or less.
If you're going to try and guess whether CWM will succeed or fail, you have to see things from the point of view of the typical user.
The typical phone user upgrades maybe once a year or even once every two years. CWM would therefore suit this upgrade cycle very well, because the unlimited download access lasts a year, and you can keep the music after that year too.
It's especially true in a recession, where people will want to upgrade as little as possible.
Coming back to CWM, yes it has been dealt a very heavy blow with the competitors going DRM free. I know which would appeal to me now.
The choice isn't DRM tracks or non-DRM tracks though.
The choice is unlimited numbers of DRM tracks or limited numbers of non-DRM tracks.
They're two totally different products, even though they're using the same technologies, so it's difficult to make comparisons when their terms of use are so totally different.
I really don't get the argument being made against Nokia here (DRM) not build quality (My units have been ok. I've had a fault recently and was quite pleased at just being able to pop into a local shop and get it fixed without hassle of receipts, postage, having to go to store I purchased from etc. just based on serial number).
Back to the Comes with Music thing.
If you don't like it, you can just buy it without the comes with music option (if available) or simply not use the option and continue using non DRM methods to make purchases.
Nokia are offering a nice, simple, buy it and start downloading tracks without any hassle option. What's wrong with that ?
If you want to/have purchased music that is DRM free, there is nothing stopping you putting on the Nokia as well.
What are Nokia supposed to do here ?
Offer a phone that simply lets you download anything you want without any sort of restriction and without charge that you can then use anywhere ?
I kind of suspect it might be a bit tricky for them to get anyone to agree to that.
Not an expert in this field, do Amazon or Apple offer a one off fee, download whatever you want forever option ?
To me, that seams to be the equivalent of what you are asking for, if you want it to be DRM free as well.
Just an opinion...
Zuber
Tzer2 wrote:
The choice isn't DRM tracks or non-DRM tracks though.The choice is unlimited numbers of DRM tracks or limited numbers of non-DRM tracks.
They're two totally different products, even though they're using the same technologies, so it's difficult to make comparisons when their terms of use are so totally different.
Yes and no. While the limited/unlimited option will obviously have a huge infulance on the choice for most, for me anything with DRM is just out. I hate not being able to transfer to various devices (which I do often), so by that shout CWM is out.
Not an expert in this field, do Amazon or Apple offer a one off fee, download whatever you want forever option ?
They don't. In fact no one has ever offered a one-off-fee, all-you-can-eat, keep-forever option.
This is uncharted territory, no one knows what will happen when this kind of deal is offered on a wide range of handsets in a wide range of countries.
At the very least I think people should give Nokia credit for trying something new.
And as Zuber has pointed out, no one is being forced to use CWM, it's just there as an option for people who want it. CWM phones can also play non-DRM tracks, and there are also slightly cheaper non-CWM phones for those who don't want the service at all.
I can't see what the problem is in simply offering Comes With Music those who want to use it.
The biggest flaw of "Comes With Music" is that it "Comes With Handset". CWM variants of phones are usually released later than non-CWM ones, and only for a few, music-oriented models. For example, I recently bought a 5800XM, and it's unlikely that I'm going to sell it and buy the CWM variant when/if it becomes available in my country. Also, I'm very interested in the next flagship cameraphone from Nokia (the rumored 8MPx successor to the N82); but, since it will be marketed as a cameraphone and not a musicphone, it's unlikely it will ever have a CWM version. Nokia should unbundle the CWM subscription model, and offer it as a stand-alone option for around $100.