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Challenge to all you N97 owners out there!

18 replies · 5,384 views · Started 16 November 2009

May I ask you, my fellow N97 owners, to attempt to do the following on your N97s and N97 minis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t9Qw2sU-WE&feature=player_embedded

Or how about pictures like this?
http://thereallymobileproject.com/2009/11/n900-a-gallery/

Noticed a trend? Our poor little underpowered N97s and minis can't quite cope, can they? Curious why that is? Remember? Nokia in their drive to relegate Symbian to low end decided to take out graphic acceleration from their N-series phones.

Are you still sticking with the low end N97/mini or will you be moving on the powerhouse that is the N900?

Do you still believe when the Symbian fan boy crowd tells you processor speed is not important, ram doesn't matter, screen resolution is not important, etc. etc.?

I, for one, already know what the answer is. Good riddance the N97!

I know you're not really that serious, but I'm always up for a challenge.

I have 24 apps (+homescreen) open on my N97 right now 😛

Well, I got 20 including Handy Taskman. With 7MB of RAM left. 😃

I'd MMS these screenshots to an N900 but like the original iPhone it doesn't have MMS.

On reflection... why would I want 20+ app's open?

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Perhaps I should have been more clear: actual apps open, not bluetooth and such.

Right, the N900 doesn't have MMS. Forget a thousand other things that it has that are better than the N97.

I�m not one to go around defending the N97 with the problems and disappointments it has brought, but after paying out over �500 for this phone, I certainly am not going out to rush out and buy the N900.

That�s the thing for me, I feel a bit cheated by Nokia, splurging on their latest flagship smartphone, only to find a month or so after its release, a new handset with similar capability is being launched.

As mentioned in one of my other posts, there is a long discussion about the N900�s capabilities and limitations on the Nokia Discussion Board, which makes quite interesting reading, and the discussion gets quite heated at some stages. Apart from the MMS issue - which could possibly be resolved with firmware upgrades � there is the issue of making voice calls over a 3G connection. It all got a bit too technical for me at that stage.

For me, it�s not about what it can do better than the N97, it�s the fact that it actually exists in the first place! I�ll be sticking with the N97 and then probably moving away from Nokia in the future, I think the time has come where they do not make the best phones anymore, and in a year or so when I�m ready to splash out on another phone, I think technology will have moved on again.

It depends on the apps you have running. I usually have Gravity and Nokia Messaging open. Sometimes the player in the background. When I open maps it guides me for some minutes and then the N97 closes all other apps. Navigation and music over bluetooth? Might work, but pray that no one calls you, because then you're f*c*ed. That has never been an issue with my E71. I'm really starting to miss it sometimes.

Arthur wrote:Are you still sticking with the low end N97/mini or will you be moving on the powerhouse that is the N900?

Do you still believe when the Symbian fan boy crowd tells you processor speed is not important, ram doesn't matter, screen resolution is not important, etc. etc.?

I, for one, already know what the answer is. Good riddance the N97!

Actually there's nothing really wrong with my N97, I am very happy with it.

As for the N900...
The UTube multi-tasking of 20+ applets was rediculous - nobody NEEDS that on a mobile.
The lack of MMS and 3G Voice problems is a real show stopper for the N900 in Europe.

I will be curious to read the N900 thread a month after it's released, to see how many angry postings there are about poor build quality, firmware bugs etc.

The N97 is now coming close to where it should have been at release - V20 FW is pretty stable and few major bugs remain.
The camera lens and GPS issues which affect early production units can now be repaired under warranty.
V30FW is usually where a Nokia handset peaks with functionality and stability - expect that in about 6 months.

I will be keeping my N97 for at least the next 12 months, thanks!

Yeah you can have lot's of Apps running provided they're tiny/not really doing anything but open up real life Apps that you might want to run concurrently say Messaging, Browsing and Music and maybe add Maps to that and I reckon it'll get a lot more tricky - I can't testy to this under V20 coz as I've said in another thread my phone's been in for repair basically since v20 came out. But I know what it was like and I've seen a few screenshots of RAM available, maybe someone could check it out? But whatever as even Steve Litchfield has finally admitted to have not put in the extra 128mb to give it 256mb was stupid penny pinching on the grandest scale and has haunted/crippled the phone for the sake of $2? - As I posted at release Steve 😉

snoFlake wrote:Yeah you can have lot's of Apps running provided they're tiny/not really doing anything but open up real life Apps that you might want to run concurrently say Messaging, Browsing and Music and maybe add Maps to that and I reckon it'll get a lot more tricky

Actually, I have just run up the following simultaneously on my v20 equipped N97:

- Music player (playing a track)
- Maps
- Quickoffice (editing a word doc)
- Notes
- Contacts
- Messaging (Editing a text)
- Web browser (With the BBC website displayed via WiFi)
- Skype lite
- Converter
- Search
- Handy safe
- Calculator
- Nokia email (displaying my inbox)

And of course, it's always running the homescreen.

In that case I stand corrected and withdraw my remark (not the 256mb RAM bit 😃 ).

I may actually start to looking forward to my phone coming back from repair rather than really not giving a stuff anymore if this is how it's going to run under V20.

Thx celios you relight my fire, not an inferno but maybe the pilot light's back on.

snoFlake wrote:In that case I stand corrected and withdraw my remark (not the 256mb RAM bit 😃 ).

I may actually start to looking forward to my phone coming back from repair rather than really not giving a stuff anymore if this is how it's going to run under V20.

Thx celios you relight my fire, not an inferno but maybe the pilot light's back on.

I agree with you about the 256Mb of RAM. I think poor decisions by the product manager / development team have led to Nokia relying on the skills of their firmware team to save the N97's reputation. It should never have been like that.

Okay I need to chime in here.

Besides being an N97 owner since July, I have owned two (2) N800's for the last few years, so I speak from the perspective of the Maemo 4 OS on a touchscreen platform.

I expect the N900 to behave pretty much as the N800/N810 does with respect to performance. With the Linux Maemo platform and interface you can juggle a lot of tasks at once.

BUT you probably don't really want to...mainly because the battery life doesn't come close to the N97's performance.

I used my N800's to replace a laptop for internet browser and note taking. If you do much WiFi or video watching you can expect about 3 hours worth of use before the battery gives you up. If you don't close all of your applications before the battery finally runs out you risk losing any data if not already saved.

As far as being stable, I have had to reboot my N800's many times when a program was misbehaving, locking the N800 up or sometimes it would even spontaneously reboot on its own.

As I have mentioned before...the problem with the open-source platform like the N800 is that the software is worth what you pay for it. Someone would typically get interested in "porting" a Linux application to the N800/N810 and would do about an 80% job on the port. Where the applications really suffered was on the "Hildon-izing of the interface". That is, the screen is only so big and a lot of the software doesn't automatically resize, add scroll bars, etc. so often you are left with combo boxes off the screen, overlapping or unreadable text or unselectable check boxes/targets as they computationally overlap on the interface. If you don't believe me, check out the porting of Gnumeric (spreadsheet application).

Now granted there are some good programs out there, but few of the authors consider them a "labor of love" so that they are ready, willing and able to help troubleshoot, debug, recompile and repackage the program for updates.

There are a lot of lost-and-forlorn applications waiting for someone to finally clean them up.

It's like being a perpetual beta tester.

And to make things work you often have to consult the user forums and hand-enter patches, fixes, tweaks at the root level at a Linux prompt after gaining root. If you are new to Linux, get ready for some culture shock.

Unless the N900 comes with some rock-solid stable apps right out-of-the-box, I see it becoming only a hacker platform (did I mention that there's a "Hackers Edition" of the Maemo OS available?) or a techno-geek status symbol.

What is sad to see is the countless hours spent by some of these programmers just to get games from the C64, Nintendo, Sega, etc. running on the platform. If only that effort were spent getting some of the work-related applications running better.

I won't be one of the ones buying an N900.

Thanks rdcinhou.

A very interesting posting I must say. I was particularly amazed by the low battery life, having never owned a tablet.

I do know from personal experience that the new iPhone 3GS, that a friend of mine owns, seems to eat up battery life and, more often than not, requires charging twice a day.

The resizing issue, now that you mention it, seems obvious.

Already the first problems with the N900 are starting to surface. Among them are call quality, no MMS, no portrait mode, no voice dialling and GPS issues.

Like you, I don't think I'll be getting an N900 anytime soon.

The advantage to having two N800's is that one can be on the charger while I'm using the other.

BTW....I used to get even worse battery life out of the N800...about half an hour. What was happening is when I wasn't using it, I'd turn it off. It turns out that the boot process consumes a hefty amount of battery--scanning all the Gigs of memory and spinning up all of the processes.

After I learned that you should just leave the thing on and seldom reboot is when I started getting about three hours of use.

Thing is, the Nokia documentation doesn't really tell you how to use it so how is the user to now that you're supposed to leave the tablet on all the time?

Poor documentation...another Nokia hallmark.

rdcinhou wrote:The advantage to having two N800's is that one can be on the charger while I'm using the other.

BTW....I used to get even worse battery life out of the N800...about half an hour. What was happening is when I wasn't using it, I'd turn it off. It turns out that the boot process consumes a hefty amount of battery--scanning all the Gigs of memory and spinning up all of the processes.

After I learned that you should just leave the thing on and seldom reboot is when I started getting about three hours of use.

Thing is, the Nokia documentation doesn't really tell you how to use it so how is the user to now that you're supposed to leave the tablet on all the time?

Poor documentation...another Nokia hallmark.

Thanks for the info rdcinhou. One of my big worries about the N900 was the battery life; the capacity is smaller that the N97, but as you noted, the OS is not quite as optimised for low-power as Symbian. One of the reviews I read was quoting a battery life of 7 hours for the N900 with moderate to heavy use.

That sounds like a big improvement over the N800, but it doesn't sound very useful for someone who needs to get a full working day out of the phone, especially as my working days usually run to 12+ hours when I am away from home.

Between battery life, the physical size (that bad boy is thick!) the problems with voice/simultaneous data and my aversion to giving Nokia another penny of my hard earned cash, I will be avoiding the N900.

Edit: Actually just read a thread on another website stating that the N900's version of Maps won't have voice guidance, nor will it have support for offline maps via maploader. It sounds like the N900 is also being release part-baked. No surprises there.

Err.. It has always been "Good practice" to close down applications after you have finished using them. What is the big deal about opening up 30 different applications and leaving them resident in memory? Oh wow.. I can flick between them.. So whats your point?

Better question is.. can YOU use 30 applications ALL at once? When you are finished, you close it down.

bchliu wrote:Err.. It has always been "Good practice" to close down applications after you have finished using them. What is the big deal about opening up 30 different applications and leaving them resident in memory? Oh wow.. I can flick between them.. So whats your point?

Better question is.. can YOU use 30 applications ALL at once? When you are finished, you close it down.


I quite agree with this. Most people won't even have 2-3 apps open, all being used at the same time.

I suppose one example could be someone who's on the phone to their mother, while they are recording something interesting with the video camera, while they're using the Maps app to guide them to their destination, all the while the phone is syncing itself with the person's work email account, a bittorrent app is downloading music over Wifi, they're uploading their latest snaps to Facebook, they've got the web browser opening a particularly graphic-heavy website, a twitter app is checking for new tweets, and they're receiving messages from friends through MSN Live Messenger.

I count seven applications there... or nine, if you include the phone call and email sync. I doubt anyone here could possibly say they've been in a situation like that. I guess it could happen though... could...

On my Nokia 9300 I would typically have open simultaneously:

Messaging
Calendar
Tomeraider (open to Wikipedia 2004 text-only)
Mobireader (reading one book or another)
AED (Advanced English Dictionary - J2ME)
Notes

The reader applications and dictionary were never at risk of losing data so I'd leave them open as normally something I was reading in Mobireader caused me to have to look up a word in the dictionary or the wikipedia (I do some pretty advanced reading!).

Others that I would use simultaneously:

Smallbase (relational database) + Sheets (spreadsheets)

Documents (word processing) + JIProlog (Prolog language implementation in J2ME...as it didn't have an editor, I'd edit in the word processor and then paste into JIProlog for execution)

Seriously though.. If you are doing heavy multitasking, then you should be doing it on a Laptop and not your phone (at least not within the next 2 years until the convergence between laptops and phones as one single device with plenty of grunt making the N900 look stone aged).

The most that I'd do would be Browser, Roadsync mail, Instant Messenging, Music player and obviously the phone function in the background waiting for calls. That is plenty of applications given the 45MB RAM that is free there after.