On cue, the Sony Ericsson Satio gets an update, to "R1C"

...not yet available for branded handsets.... VERY bad form, considering the mass of instability!

That's not Sony Ericsson's fault Stu, operators decide when branded firmwares get released. So you'll be lucky if you ever get an update if you have a branded phone.

That said my Carphone Warehouse phone wasn't branded.

is there a method to.debrand like nokia phones?

Is this update good enough to write the part 3 of the Satio Review?

@malerocks: Maybe. Maybe not. Managed to crash the phone within 2 mins.

But then I'm good at breaking things. Ask Rafe. 8-)

Does it have UDP?

Yes, UDP has been standard on every Symbian smartphone for 18 months now. It came in with S60 3rd Edition FP2.

slitchfield wrote:Yes, UDP has been standard on every Symbian smartphone for 18 months now. It came in with S60 3rd Edition FP2.

Nope, the I8910 HD doesn't have it. That's why I was asking.

R1C

Is that acronym for "Release Candidate 1" firmware?

Sorry, for semi-trolling.

(Semi-trolling cause SE really deserves it in this case)

maybe its just that my settings got overwritten (yes, I didn't set them back)
or that I had a battery draining incident but for the first time since I've had the phone I had it restart because of low battery.

I'm now charging it using the wall charger than the PC connection.

Interested to hear if anyone else has the issue. I'll be changing my Tx level to 4mW etc which I do .. but forgot .. and see how it goes ..

Much more stable and responsive now that I have applied the update..was easy too.
However, SE should have include this performance from the start.

Gery wrote:Nope, the I8910 HD doesn't have it. That's why I was asking.

Gah. I believe I'm correct in the statement that the S60 codebase has had UDP potential built-in since S60 3rd Edition FP2. For some reason, Samsung either chose not to use this feature or (just as likely, sadly) broke something. They also haven't chosen to get Over The Air updating working - again, sadly.

And if my knowledge of Samsung i8910 HD behaviour during updates is sketchy it's because (FX:Steve looks sternly at Samsung) THERE HAVE HARDLY BEEN ANY TO PRACTISE ON!!

Rant over.

Unregistered wrote:Much more stable and responsive now that I have applied the update..was easy too.
However, SE should have include this performance from the start.

I'll try hard resetting my unit after the update. Might help things.

"And if my knowledge of Samsung i8910 HD behaviour during updates is sketchy it's because (FX:Steve looks sternly at Samsung) THERE HAVE HARDLY BEEN ANY TO PRACTISE ON!!"

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This is exactly why you're (justifiably) called a Nokia fanboy. The i8910 that YOU have has received at least three updates through Samsung PC Studio; if I'm not mistaken, that's the same number as your beloved N97 has gotten.

Fix up, Litchfield.

[later] Didn't help at all. Still able to crash the phone at will... 8-(

Unregistered wrote:

This is exactly why you're (justifiably) called a Nokia fanboy. The i8910 that YOU have has received at least three updates through Samsung PC Studio; if I'm not mistaken, that's the same number as your beloved N97 has gotten.

Fix up, Litchfield.

"The i8910 that YOU have has received at least three updates through Samsung PC Studio"

From memory, it's more like one. Maybe two if I go back far enough in time (10 months?). Certainly nothing like the stream coming from Nokia, which has done 3 for the N97 in five months, one of which (v20) was *colossal* and not just bug fixes, and with Nokia promising more to come. AND with full UDP and OTA updating.

Samsung simply dropped the ball here, despite the efforts of i8910 HD fanboys trying to prove otherwise.

Your memory is obviously failing you in old age then, Litchfield.

First of all, the i8910 hasn't been on the market for 10 months. There was one update prior to the AAC audio fix. Then there was the AAC audio fix itself. After that came the 3D multitasking update. Most recently has been a bugfixing update that came out last month. That's four updates; all through PC Studio.

Quite simply, there's nothing you can do to defend yourself here. You were caught red-handed trying to bad-mouth a manufacturer other than Nokia. Be a man and admit to what you truly are.

Well, it was 10 months ago that Rafe and I started playing with this device (March). I can't vouch for when it started to appear first on the market (in Italy?)...

Hang on a minute... you're 'Unregistered' and I'd vowed not to respond to people who couldn't be bothered to log in..... [NO CARRIER]

umm Steve

Even if were generous (its December 5th) March isn't 10 months ago - it may be 9, but probably right now it was 8...

My 8910 has certainly had 3 updates since I got it in May, and its still better IMHO than the N97 or the Satio - and yes I have tried them, in fact the Satio ought to beat the rest but it has irritating problems such as the screenlock deactivating by itself in your pocket

Steve can't help it that some companies appear to make the odd phone to 'test the water'.Surely Samsung creating their own smartphone platform is a sign of a reluctance to believe in the future of s60, android & winmo. Maybe i'm wrong. We all know s60 is an old OS but it's still VERY relevant. I'm no Nokia fanboy but they seem to be the only manufacturer who actually provides regular updates to fix known issues so quickly. I am a firm believer in s60 regardless. The Satio is a great, if over-complicated implementation of 5th edition. I've had no problems with crashes, only screen sensitivity. For this, I applaud SE. I don't think Nokia have ever brought a phone to market that is as complete as the Satio from day 1.

Staying with the derailed thread - to get a few things off my chest, I'm going to delay my Nokia E72 review and do an AAS feature on the Samsung i8910 HD instead. Maybe this will get some of the latter's zealots off my back....

ahem .. can you take the Nokia and Samsung stuff to a bar and slug it out there ..

thanks .. the Satio owners club ..

slitchfield wrote:[later] Didn't help at all. Still able to crash the phone at will... 8-(

So how did u manage to crash it, did you jump on it 😉? I heard from other people that their Satios are much more responsive and stable now, I�m getting more and more interested of buying a Satio now 😊.

FACT: Samsung have now released 3 Italian firmware updates for the i8910, the last of them just a couple of weeks ago. That's as many updates as the N97.

FACT: Samsung released the i8910 to the market in May this year, and the press handsets actually went out after this time. First firmware update was in June or July, so that's 3 updates in 6 months!

FACT: Both Samsung and SonyEricsson have NOT licensed RedBend's FOTA service, which is why it is not available on ANY of their Symbian devices.

My i8910 has had NO firmware updates.
UNLESS, you count me having to install windows xp, scour the interweb for a rather sketchy "Symbian ROM flashing tool". Using that to DOWNGRADE my software to a italian based one. THEN use the Samsung software updater to get the latest italian based rom. And to top it off, apart from the audio while recording videos it didn't fix a goddamn thing, I lost route 66 and all the navigation stuff and it introduced an incredibly annoying bug that caused the (already sub-par) browser to exit every time I hit the stop button.

I bought the phone in late june, Norway.

I'm siding with Steve on this one. Samsung is crap at supporting their phones.

Edit: Having an italian rom also means no scandinavian letters. (���)

I don't think Nokia have ever brought a phone to market that is as complete as the Satio from day 1.

I think that's abit unfair, as many earlier Nokias (ie. the E90) were pretty good right from the word go. I agree that many/most recent Nokias have been total dogs when launched, which I think is a great shame...

stuclark wrote:FACT: Samsung have now released 3 Italian firmware updates for the i8910, the last of them just a couple of weeks ago. That's as many updates as the N97.

I think the critical word in your post is Italian. Releasing FW updates for one European market which seems to require all sorts of hacking/tweaking/hand-crafting/(insert appropriate verb here) to use is hardly what counts as appropriate for the mainstream; if that's the best Samsung can do, then it's pretty poor...