Nokia today announced the X6 16GB device. The X6 16GB comes in a range of new colours: black, white, white with pink highlights and white with yellow highlights. Compared to original X6 there's no Comes with Music included and the internal memory has dropped from 32 GB to 16 GB. The X6 will be available in shops this quarter.
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The original X6 traded the lack of a microsd slot with 32GB onboard, which was a fair deal. With just 16GB and still no microsd slot, this new version is a complete failure. A 5800 XM + 16GB microsd card combo would be a much better deal, because (1) you can upgrade it to 32GB, when the larger capacity cards arrive, and (2) you can get it for around �200. Nokia is basically charging �150 for the privilege of using a capacitive screen instead of a resistive one.
rvirga wrote:The original X6 traded the lack of a microsd slot with 32GB onboard, which was a fair deal. With just 16GB and still no microsd slot, this new version is a complete failure. A 5800 XM + 16GB microsd card combo would be a much better deal, because (1) you can upgrade it to 32GB, when the larger capacity cards arrive, and (2) you can get it for around �200. Nokia is basically charging �150 for the privilege of using a capacitive screen instead of a resistive one.
A capacitive screen and a 5MP camera plus Symbian ^2 features. �150 for these is still a bit much but the 5800 was more than �200 on release (apart from a special CPW launch deal) and it remains to be seen what the 16GB X6 will actually retail for. I suspect a bit less than is quoted here, the Nokia store price.
"Complete failure" is a massive exageration, many people won't use anything near that. I have used 3GB of my 8GB card after a year.
LOL @ "Symbian^2 features". Reality check: (1) it's still Symbian^1, and (2) with firmware v40 the 5800 has the same "Symbian^2 features".
16GB non-expandable on a music-centric phone like the X6 is a complete failure. And, btw, 32GB microsd cards from Samsung (and probably from Sandisk too) are coming as soon as next month, so this new X6 is going to be obsolete as soon as it hits the market.
So any phone that has a music player (I don't otherwise understand why X6 is particularly music sentric knowing that it doesn't have CWM), internal mass storage but no MicroSD slot is a complete failure then?
what else you are getting besides capacitive screen
- a lots of messed up ports on the front - ugly look
- no usb charging
- same notorious UI
- blockish, no curves, cheap plasticky, tall, thick ( even fatter than moto driod that also has keyboard! � what the heck � is this the specialty of nokia design team)
- slow processor, slow browser
- no gestures
- no slickness
- no innovation/creation
- HEFTY PRICE TAG (no no i am not going to buy that!)
is this u r expecting from high end music phone!
rvirga appears to be on some strange planet of his own.
I'm not defending this phone because I don't particularly like this one or the CwM one but to suggest obselescence because Samsung have a 32GB card is idiotic in the extreme.
And it is not rvirga that decides what is a total failure, it is the market. And the market does not necessarily have the same needs and buying requirement of a self-centred forum poster. The actual price and performance of this phone in the market remains to be seen. Most people are not specification obsessed. Most people will not need even 16GB.
Of course, rvirga knows better than everyone else because rvirga is a genius. Or self-important troglodyte.
Why does there always have to be a "but". Why can't they release the X6 without CwM without sacrificing the internal memory! TBH though, I still wouldn't buy it as I have loads of music and my current 32 GB is not enough, so without the option of a MicroSD card then for me it is no use.
BTW, I am actually with rvirga on this one on the basis that I do not carry cables around with my phone and if I want to transfer content from PC to Phone or vice versa when at work, I (like many, many people) use the SD card. I certainly take the point that most users will possibly not need that amount of storage, but also remember this is a phone that will need to last the average joe on the street 18 months minimum and when you add up video clips, iplayer, music, photos etc, you may well find that 16gb is used more quickly than you think.
Anyway, horses for courses.
ILG
viipottaja wrote:So any phone that has a music player (I don't otherwise understand why X6 is particularly music sentric knowing that it doesn't have CWM), internal mass storage but no MicroSD slot is a complete failure then?
Exactly what I was thinking. On that basis, the iPhone 3GS 16GB must be a complete failure then....
Some people will find anything to complain about.
I can see this phone selling by the bucket loads, literally...
How many can you fit in a bucket? Not a lot...
as far as I know, Nokia is adding a microSD slot in it also. Because a Nokia official informed me that it will also come with a newer firmware version aswell as a micro SD slot and microUSB charging support.
viipottaja wrote:So any phone that has a music player (I don't otherwise understand why X6 is particularly music sentric knowing that it doesn't have CWM), internal mass storage but no MicroSD slot is a complete failure then?
buster wrote:Exactly what I was thinking. On that basis, the iPhone 3GS 16GB must be a complete failure then....
Unregistered wrote:as far as I know, Nokia is adding a microSD slot in it also. Because a Nokia official informed me that it will also come with a newer firmware version aswell as a micro SD slot and microUSB charging support.
Seems very highly unlikely to completely re-engineer a product just after its launch. I think in their history Nokia have done this roughly, er, zero times?
What a dissapointment.
This really isn't an upgrade to the 5800.
If you are going to compare prices, you have to compare current prices, simply because the X6 hasn't really moved on. Same OS (really, it's not got anything worth of note added), and the same processor.
And no card slot?
At what point does it mak any sense at all to make someone pay for a set memory limit?
Being that the memory is often a very expensive part of the phone, I'd much rather be able to pay for memory cards of a size of my choice (or even use old ones) and pay less for the phone.
Instead it's forcing people to pay for something that could either be too much, or worst case not enough.
I really want something to replace my 5800. But a phone with the only upside of a slightly better camera for almost double the money is not enticing.
I was hoping for annoucement of the C series, but alas, it was just this cut down overpriced X6 rubbish.
Unregistered wrote:as far as I know, Nokia is adding a microSD slot in it also. Because a Nokia official informed me that it will also come with a newer firmware version aswell as a micro SD slot and microUSB charging support.
If Apple started offering a version of the iPhone 3GS with no internal storage (or just enough to hold the OS) and with a microsd slot, and if said version was �150 cheaper than the 16GB model, yes, I'm absolutely convinced nobody would buy the 16GB anymore. Call me crazy.
I will call you crazy, because your argument makes no sense. What you are doing is comparing a fictitious phone with virtually no memory and a card slot with a phone which does exist and has 16GB of mass memory. Sorry, but I can't see what this to with a. reality and b. the Nokia X6. Or am I missing something?
The reason behind the rationale of 16gb memory for the X6 is because that is the optimized memory capacity where the ARM 11 434Mhz processor with 128mb RAM will perform to par without too much of drop off in performance/responsiveness.
Those of you who may have bought the X6 32GB and jammed it near capacity with music/video content would observe the performance-lag when the search command is evoked. This is what I am referring to.
The higher performance Snapdragon 1Ghz processor used in the Google Nexus One and HTC HD2 would be able to handle 32GB. Besides, you would really need to be spending a lot of time carrying that much of content around in your pocket to find 16gb insufficient.
So no failures here....infact if there is anything to expect, Nokia can now release a firmware upgrade that could enable multi-touch interaction on the established Symbian interface. How is that for a potential differential between the N5800 and the X6?!
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Unregistered wrote:The reason behind the rationale of 16gb memory for the X6 is because that is the optimized memory capacity where the ARM 11 434Mhz processor with 128mb RAM will perform to par without too much of drop off in performance/responsiveness.
Somehow I doubt that. I'd also like to see the figures beind that theory.
32GB modules are a lot more expensive than 16. I bet it was price, rather than any attempt at making the phone quicker fueled the motivation for 16GB.
i purchased the 16gb and have found it to be great. I agree with the performance/response aspect as 16gb because this phone does nothing but respond. the capacitive is great, the browser is faster on my att 3g than it was wit n96 n95.
I too was struggling with the memory aspect but i came to the realization that i really did not need 32gb or soon there after, 48gb. I have about 5gb music which is several days worth. i have some movies i keep on for the kids and those that i download and watch. i mean how many times are you gonna watch the same movie, this really isnt your laptop.
anyway, along with 256mb or c drive memory, i believe that this phone will outperform any other nokia and im referring to os capabilities and not the 3d games it can play...
when i really stopped to think about my complaint with every other phone, i realizerd it was a matter of batter life, this phone has over 11hours on gsm and like 6-7 on 3g
Lets compare the satio to the x6. you load up a bunch of stuff and go to a friends house to watch movies on their tv, who can watch more movies? granted satio has faster proc and graphics but at the cost of usage and downtime for charging.
why do u think nokia left out 3d accelarators?
because there was not enough software and they were being used, so why have them if they just kill the battery..
think about it BATTERY...RESPONSE...WORK NOW! and not ohh look at the specs on my phone...but it takes awhile to retrieve my data!
sks111 wrote:what else you are getting besides capacitive screen- a lots of messed up ports on the front - ugly look
- no usb charging
- same notorious UI
- blockish, no curves, cheap plasticky, tall, thick ( even fatter than moto driod that also has keyboard! � what the heck � is this the specialty of nokia design team)
- slow processor, slow browser
- no gestures
- no slickness
- no innovation/creation
- HEFTY PRICE TAG (no no i am not going to buy that!)is this u r expecting from high end music phone!
-What am I getting besides a capacitive touchscreen = 5Mp Camera
-What do you mean by ports on the Front? And looks are up to peoples taste. Personally I think the X6 looks better than the 5800.
-Blockish, No Curves, Plasticky; Again you repeated by what you mean in looks. It's up to peoples taste. And "WTH" do you mean by tall?. In thickness it's slimmer than the 5800.
-The 5800 also doesn't have a physical keyboard. If you want one then get something else, no one is stopping you.
-It might have a low spec processor, but it's fast and responsive with the software it's using.
-What do you mean by no gestures?!
-No Slickness? Do you mean that Literally or Metaphorically? If you mean by looks then again it's up to peoples taste!
-Like most of the other phones there is never really any innovation unless someone is trying something new.
-For price it's $130 more than the 5800, for that you get a few and lose a few extras. Also no one is forcing you to get that phone. What is your point exactly, are you comparing it to the 5800 because that also doesn't have USB charging nor any innovation. And stop making senseless points. If you want a phone with a physical qwerty keyboard then get something else, no is forcing you to get this phone. As for the price you're exaggerating because every reasonable Nokie phones is about $450 when it's first released.
And no one ever said it was a 'High End' music phone.
Unregistered wrote:Of course, rvirga knows better than everyone else because rvirga is a genius. Or self-important troglodyte.
I believe it's the latter.
richt79 wrote:i purchased the 16gb and have found it to be great. I agree with the performance/response aspect as 16gb because this phone does nothing but respond. the capacitive is great, the browser is faster on my att 3g than it was wit n96 n95.I too was struggling with the memory aspect but i came to the realization that i really did not need 32gb or soon there after, 48gb. I have about 5gb music which is several days worth. i have some movies i keep on for the kids and those that i download and watch. i mean how many times are you gonna watch the same movie, this really isnt your laptop.
anyway, along with 256mb or c drive memory, i believe that this phone will outperform any other nokia and im referring to os capabilities and not the 3d games it can play...
when i really stopped to think about my complaint with every other phone, i realizerd it was a matter of batter life, this phone has over 11hours on gsm and like 6-7 on 3g
Lets compare the satio to the x6. you load up a bunch of stuff and go to a friends house to watch movies on their tv, who can watch more movies? granted satio has faster proc and graphics but at the cost of usage and downtime for charging.
why do u think nokia left out 3d accelarators?
because there was not enough software and they were being used, so why have them if they just kill the battery..
think about it BATTERY...RESPONSE...WORK NOW! and not ohh look at the specs on my phone...but it takes awhile to retrieve my data!
That's absolutely true, you want a phone that response quickly and not killer specs that woudn't count to sh*t. And it's more trusting to hear it from someone who actually got the phone than someone finding facts on the internet and then just argue againts the phone with no clue in experiencing it at all.
My dad got one, and he got it thinking that 16GB is enough; great camera; smooth capacitive touchscreen; and a great looking phone in HIS point of view. I'd like to point out that "Looks" are up to people. If it doesn't look good- to you, then don't get it. And the phone responds pefectly.
Everyone must understand it's a telephone. You needn't get something that must do multitasking as much as a supercomputer. Because if you want to do that, it's better you go do it on a PC.
And the battery life is always important, longer battery life means lesser time to charge it meaning you needn't charge it every 2nd day or something.
To him it's a great phone. To me it is also. But I want something a bit over kill.... Samsung I9000 Galaxy anyone?
Unregistered wrote:-And no one ever said it was a 'High End' music phone.
Psh yeah, no one Important.
i wish nokia should announce that new symbian^3 or 4 would be supported on X6 to make good appeal for its customers
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ok, it is taken from all of the anti x6 revolution group doesn't truly understand the difference between x6 and 5800.
you all people make me laugh!!! killing me till i found my self dead laughing at you!
here are the comparison:
x6
1. capacitive screen
2. 5 mpx camera with dual led flash
3. 16 gb built in memory / 300 mb phone memory (ROM)
4. scratch proof screen and made purely with glass
5. plastic design
6. symbian 2 series 9.4
nokia 5800
1. resistive screen
2. 3.15 mpx camera dual led flash
3. 81 mb phone memory (ROM) / card slot up to 32 gb
4. plastic screen / non scratch proof
5. plastic design.
6. symbian 2 series 9.4
CAPACITIVE versus RESISTIVE
You people should understand that the term itself really makes a difference. A very simple example is why don't you try to put a pressure on a bunch of tissue versus the bunch of cotton? which one is easier to press? that explains very well for the capacitive. Just to awaken your narrow minds.
5megapix versus 3.15 megapix
Do you know how much a lense cost? So are you telling me that 3.15 is better than 5 megapix? another laughing story from you guys! hahahah!
It was truly an upgrade scientifically and logically. For those people who have no experience with photography, never use this kind of statements as you are proving yourself funny.
16gb on board (built in) versus sd expandable slot
Do you people can imagine that x6 is slow, sluggish and worst than 5800 without knowing first the ROM capacity of both phones? x6 has 300mb ROM compared with your precious 5800 of 100mb ROM.
So it means though you were able to expand up to 32 GB, it will be useless as your phone will just get stack, dead and useless. You will wish to throw your phone.
Just a trivia: for every 8gb memory card there should be at least 100mb ROM to process and accomodate the datas being stored on the expanded medium. so if you were claiming that 5800 has the capacity of holding the 32 GB in a full memory state, you might be dreaming that your phone has a snap dragon processor that can hold the frequency of processing to produce great results on its GUI on how it responds.
So compared with X6 that it was built with a sense and logic, 16 gb board memory is reasonable for it to take and possible to carry on as they give allowance to the ROM memory of 100 mb.
So tell me, which is really freak and shi*t with their words being bestowed which haven't proven and makes none sense reviews? Illiterates!
Plasticky design???
Was your nokia 5800 made of steel or gold? hahahaha. Do you really know the meaning of plastic and on how it looks like? have you tried to view closely with your nokia 5800? was it made of plastic? isn't it??? HAHAHAHA!
and considering the screen guys of your nokia 5800, even your nails can scratch it over and proves that it's design was also a big failure knowing that a touch screen phone is not scratch resistant!
You know the problem with you guys! you just don't have the money to buy these phone and claiming to hold the fame by sticking on the minds of the viewer on every reviews posted on this site that it was a failure to have X6.
But the truth is, it was a big and regretful failure to follow and believe your reviews which are evidently FUNNY.
PEACE GUYS!
by the way i have nokia 5800 on my hand, nokia x6, nokia n97, HTC 2 and SATIO. I am a business owner of a celfone shop in the philippines. So I know what I am talking about.
Just a quick final statement, I am using my nokia 5800 as an alarm clock as I found it very useful on that!
Cheers!
In Mexico is being sold with Comes With Music, very pricey though, but considering that with my 5800 I downloaded over 2000 songs it is worth. I also like the 300mb in the phone memory I hate having 7mb free for the phone in my N97
Unregistered wrote:16gb on board (built in) versus sd expandable slot
Do you people can imagine that x6 is slow, sluggish and worst than 5800 without knowing first the ROM capacity of both phones? x6 has 300mb ROM compared with your precious 5800 of 100mb ROM.
So it means though you were able to expand up to 32 GB, it will be useless as your phone will just get stack, dead and useless. You will wish to throw your phone.
Just a trivia: for every 8gb memory card there should be at least 100mb ROM to process and accomodate the datas being stored on the expanded medium. so if you were claiming that 5800 has the capacity of holding the 32 GB in a full memory state, you might be dreaming that your phone has a snap dragon processor that can hold the frequency of processing to produce great results on its GUI on how it responds.
So compared with X6 that it was built with a sense and logic, 16 gb board memory is reasonable for it to take and possible to carry on as they give allowance to the ROM memory of 100 mb
So that is why my N97 is so slow to manage my songs, why Nokia added 32gb to a phone without the needed horse power
I love my X6. The free sat nav alone is worth the money. Maps for Tom Tom and Garmin cost a lot. The access to the internet is usable unlike many other models. The wifi another bonus. Why you can even make phone calls with it.
viipottaja wrote:So any phone that has a music player (I don't otherwise understand why X6 is particularly music sentric knowing that it doesn't have CWM), internal mass storage but no MicroSD slot is a complete failure then?- So I dont suppose you have tried transferring a LARGE song library by USB phone connection then??? I would normally take out the card, plug that in to my PC card reader, and leave it the whole day to transfer them, so I have full use of the phone while I am out...
Or even have many different cards...
- easy listeng music
- special disco mix
- get down rap mix
- silly love songs
etc, etc...