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Finally Gave In

39 replies · 9,788 views · Started 03 February 2010

Finally decided enough was enough, my friend got a 3GS I compared it to my N97. It is rediculous how much better the iPhone is.

The only thing the N97 has going for it is the Keyboard, Battery life and the fact can 'mark all emails as read'

The iPhone is a complete joy whereas the N97 just made me angry because of how shit it was at everything.

Anyway, I bought an unlocked phone which turned out to be locked to O2😡 I have since bought a phone sim locked to Vodafone, (I would advise buying sim locked phones you the network you want rather than 'unlocked' phones)

I am selling the first iPhone 3GS 32GB on ebay, it is simlocked to O2,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150411144126&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

(if advertising is not aloud remove the link:icon14😊

Thanks and goodbye

Chris

Afraid I have to disagree entirely. I got an iPhone last week as part of a corporate upgrade. It's a great device, and the ability to load apps direct is a pleasure.But, and it's a very big but, it is no business device.

What I dislike intensely is the inability to tweak the homescreen, or even to install a different SMS tone without jailbreaking it. It can support my email accounts, but it cannot give a homescreen view of the email headers. It cannot display my diary events and tasks on the main screen. My N97 can do all these.

These are different devices for different uses, but I can't help but feel that the iPhone is for social use primarily. For that reason, it is now in my wife's hands. She loves it. I love my N97. There is peace among us 😊

true, a none jailbroken iphone cannot compare as a business device compared to a vanilla n series, what more an e series nokia

a jailbroken iphone however has some functionality, but still not up to par. editing a word document, and suddenly need to refer to email for data? oh...forgot theres no multitasking..hm.

chris-red wrote:Finally decided enough was enough, my friend got a 3GS I compared it to my N97. It is rediculous how much better the iPhone is.

I couldn't agree more! I feel exactly the same way about mine (see the thread "N97 - Time to call it a day"😉. It's a real pleasure to use compared to the N97. As I've said before, for what I need and use it for it's the perfect phone for me.

chris-red wrote:

The only thing the N97 has going for it is the Keyboard, Battery life and the fact can 'mark all emails as read'

Not to mention 5MP camera and flash, stereo speakers, phone-to-phone bluetooth, downloadable worldwide maps with free voice navigation and more screen pixels.

It's all good if it works which it does not normally and that's annoying I am also in the mid of changing and now seriously looking for replacement any idea's are wellcome but only problem is that.

When i look around for a good phone every one of them has there own issues so I am kind a :con? any idea's for good smart phone with feature like N97 ??? i am thinking for MOTOMILESTONE how is that any input for that ??

Thanks in advance

While the N97 has seriously annoyed me with it's issues I'd still find it very difficult to move away from Nokia and N Series, especially with the fantastic decision to make maps completely free.

iPhone is tempting in terms of the fact it's sleek and just works (most of the time) but once you delve inside it's not even half the device the N97 is, the only thing that really makes it so popular is the wealth of mostly pointless apps available for it.

SE have almost put themselves out of the smartphone market with the amount of problems on their latest releases - and you thought the N97 was bad!

I kinda like the idea of HTC, but would never go Windows Mobile, the release of Android 2.1 is pretty exciting and free voice navigation on Google Maps is good, although it still relies on having a good data signal when you're trying to use it which I don't like.

I'll be interested in the Nexus One, the main things I've read negatively about it are lack of multitouch (just been added in a FW update) and lack of support (Google have been advertising for a customer support manager to set up full support for Android/Nexus One). And those fixes are before it's even been released here...definitely one to watch if they're going to keep addressing issues so quickly.

Still though, there's just those things that make Nokia so hard to turn your back on, they're great phones even if the quality control and beta testing needs to be a bit better. I'll be very interested to see what they bring out in 2010 - I don't think I'll get a brand new N Series on launch day this time, maybe let other people do the testing and keep an eye on forums like this to see when the phones actually up to scratch, but I can definitely see myself getting Nokia again when my N97 contract expires.

The iPhone is certainly a fantastic device (best mobile experience I've ever had), but mainly only because of how everything "just works" and looks nice while working. When you get into technical specs, there are a lot of devices that can do a better job at a lot of things, and to be honest if I didn't have my iPhone jailbroken I doubt I'd even have it.

With all the plans shown at SEE last year, Symbian does look very promising (a lot more promising than Android, anyway), so I wouldn't throw away an N97 for an iPhone just yet... But each to his own. It all depends on what you're using it for and what you want from a device.

I agree with weelogic. I am a new n97 mini user and did not buy an iPhone for the last 3 years because it's an entertainment device not a business phone.

Jeff

Well I too dumped my N97 as I was sick and tired of Nokias pretence there was nothing wrong with it. I went for the SE Satio as I always have been a SE user. No idea what the phone was like before the December update, but the one I have has the latest software on it, and is a breath of fresh air to the N97. At least SE only took a couple of weeks to fix the issues unlike Nokia who still have not fixed them, and the Satio's isues were only software related unlike the N97 which is also hardware. Maybe a few of the Nokia fans need to look outside the box to see the N97 for what it is, a rushed out, over rated, under developed product, which is now the black sheep of Nokia's family. When will Nokia finaly get it right, why should it need soo many updates to get it to work half right. As for OVI maps, the only reason it is free, is is is not very good, I for one would rather pay for a working sat nav than one that needs updat after update to get it to sort of work. Have Nokia never heard the saying flogging a dead horse? All those slating the iphone, if others are now happy, why try to tell them they are wrong for getting it. Lets face facts, more people seem to have the iphone than the N97 or is it just those with the N97 don't like to let anyone know they have one. I am now happy with my Satio, so I too must be wrong for wanting to be able to use my phone everyday, without the fear it is going to give up on me at any point. At least the avid N97 owners will be unique shortly.

What strikes me as odd is people who say that they have left the N97 behind as a piece of s**t or whatever, continually coming back to N97 fora for a wee fly dig. It's very strange.

I have used almost every mobile platform over the past 10 years, from Palm (great while it lasted) to Windows Mobile (never great, although HTC seem to have a handle on maximising the user experience) through Symbian (up and down). I have had good phones and PDAs and bad phones and PDAs. The best in my view was the Sony TH55, especially once they cracked the landscape mode. The worst was probably the Asus P750.

At every juncture, I have involved myself with the user forum for my current product. Back in the Palm days there was a great community at 1source. But when I move on to another platform, I leave that behind to those who use it and need it. I don't come back and stick my oar in just for sh*ts and giggles, or to point fun at those who have a differing view.

I have had the N97 since July, updating all the way along. Was it a good phone to begin with? Not especially, given the price point. Am I happy with it now? Yes. It crashes now and then, but I have never had a technology device that hasn't.

What I said in my original reply was in response to a comment that the N97 was poor at everything. By inference, the iPhone is wonderful at everything. I disagreed. Sorry 'bout that, old bean, but I do. I am not defending a product despite its faults. I am saying that, overall, the N97 does what I need better than others I have looked at. I don't need Facebook and Twitter. I need email, SMS and tethering. Blackberry's system doesn't cut it for me, and I like to tweak the look of my handsets.

If the iPhone/Satio/Nexus are the dog's whatevers, why are you not away at their best forum looking for ways to make the best use of your product. That's why I am here.

Just a thought.

volvo940se wrote:All those slating the iphone, if others are now happy, why try to tell them they are wrong for getting it.

To be fair the N97 has had issues but from what I've read the Satio was initially released in an even worse state - the fact that SE had to suspend sales in the run-up to Christmas kinda confirms how bad the software was. I'm not saying they haven't fixed it, but it's interesting how you moan so much about a phone that had software problems affecting some users (although I never really experienced anything serious) and then cite the Satio as what Nokia should aspire to? Especially when now both handsets are basically fixed with latest firmwares a large portion of functionality is identical due to S60v5.
Admittedly the hardware faults on the N97 were disappointing, but they were fixed under warranty without having to send the phone off.

Also what's wrong with Ovi maps? To me it's one of the best sat nav systems I've used and works perfectly, maps are good and up to date, the built in searching is incredible, navigation is accurate, online features are good, what's your problem with it?

As to the quote above - no one actually slated the iPhone, just pointed out reasons why it wasn't for them and why they prefer the N97 despite it's flaws - we are on an N97 forum afterall. If you've changed phone and are happy then that's great, but doesn't mean you have to come here and complain about the phone to people who still like it.

To me, the iPhone has more negatives than positives.

It seems that everyone who ditches their N97, has to come back here to tell everybody about how good their new phone is compared to the N97, and they over exagerate all the problems it's ever had.

"Ovi maps is free because it's not very good" - i and i guess many others highly disagree with you there, it's a great piece of sat-nav software with great online features.

As for people who say their n97 is constantly crashing, i don't see where thats coming from, because i hardly ever have it crash once a week, never mind several times a day.

I don't even find the user interface bad like some people say, it does it's job just fine without problems as far as i'm concerned. The kinetic scrolling isn't perfect and can sometimes be abit clunky, but it's hardly a problem.

As i said, it seems that these people who jump ship to a Nexus One or iPhone etc... are over exagerating the problems they found to justify their new phone more.

volvo940se wrote:... As for OVI maps, the only reason it is free, is is is not very good, I for one would rather pay for a working sat nav than one that needs updat after update to get it to sort of work.

My experience of OVI Maps 3.x is that it is at least as reliable and full featured as ANY other S60 based Sat Nav.

I understand you had a bad experience with your N97, but at least be accurate... the latest MAPS is brilliant!

weelogic wrote:What strikes me as odd is people who say that they have left the N97 behind as a piece of s**t or whatever, continually coming back to N97 fora for a wee fly dig. It's very strange.
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Just a thought.

Could not agree more. Everyone is welcome on AAS, to support and chat with other S60 owners - but if all the postings from a member are negative then I'd rather Rafe made these members Read-Only users.

dez_borders wrote:My experience of OVI Maps 3.x is that it is at least as reliable and full featured as ANY other S60 based Sat Nav.

I understand you had a bad experience with your N97, but at least be accurate... the latest MAPS is brilliant!

OK so I have not installed the latest maps on my N97 as it is not currently in use. As for why am I coming on the N97 forums and giving the N97 a hard time, well as a N97 owner, I thought I was as entitled to be on here as much as anyone else, but obviously because I dont have nice things to say about it, I am not welcome, that is fine, and yes I am more than happy with the Satio. I may not have had it when it was full of bugs, but at least SE pulled it sorted it and released it again, unlike Nokia who just stuck their heads in the sand and pretended there was not a problem. Maybe some of you are fortunate, and have fully working N97's, I am not one of those, and after many attempts to get it working correctly, I have given up with it. I keep coming back here in the vain hope there maybe a solution to the issues I have and for info on any developments regarding the N97. If I then see a thread I want to add to, I thought I was able to do so, but it seems not, I had no been led to belive I needed to be using the device daily to be able to comment, so why assume I have only come to slate the N97, comments were made about other devices that led me to make the comment I did. I am in no way a fan of the iphone infact the complete oposite, but do not go around givin it a bad name, as I do not nor have I owned one, I just do not want one. There are things I prefer about the N97 design to the Satio, like the keyboard but when the device is flawed in soo many other ways, why continue with it, until solutions are found. RAM on the Satio is never an issue, rarely do I see less than 100mb of RAM a figure N97 users can only dream of.

As for OVI maps, well with the current GPS issues on the N97 even after the fix, so that does not help, but the menu was not the easiest to navigate, as for search feature, well it wont find postcodes that have been around for years yet it finds postcodes that are new, no idea why that is, Navmii is better and the menu is soo much easier to navigate. As for the new version, well not tried it yet, but will give it ago and see what all the fuss is about.

Yes it is free, that is one plus, but how often will it be updated, and what map support will there be? Before the only part you paid for was the voice guidence, but is this just Nokia trying to compete with google and with all the chat about Nokia doing away with Symbian, how much more support will they be giving these devices?

dez_borders wrote:Could not agree more. Everyone is welcome on AAS, to support and chat with other S60 owners - but if all the postings from a member are negative then I'd rather Rafe made these members Read-Only users.

Maybe if the user is having nothing but issues, then they are hardly likely going to be giving the device praise. I can only assume by this that if the user is having issues and makes negative comments then all help is withdrawn and the user is left in the cold.

Not all my comments have been negative, I have asked for assitance, and have given my feelings on the device. But after soo many issues with the device, how can I give it any praise, while others are giving other devices bad feedback. Pot and kettle come to mind here.

volvo940se wrote:OK so I have not installed the latest maps on my N97 as it is not currently in use. As for why am I coming on the N97 forums and giving the N97 a hard time, well as a N97 owner, I thought I was as entitled to be on here as much as anyone else, but obviously because I dont have nice things to say about it, I am not welcome...

As for OVI maps, well with the current GPS issues on the N97 even after the fix, so that does not help, but the menu was not the easiest to navigate, as for search feature, well it wont find postcodes that have been around for years yet it finds postcodes that are new, no idea why that is, Navmii is better and the menu is soo much easier to navigate. As for the new version, well not tried it yet, but will give it ago and see what all the fuss is about.

Yes it is free, that is one plus, but how often will it be updated, and what map support will there be? Before the only part you paid for was the voice guidence, but is this just Nokia trying to compete with google and with all the chat about Nokia doing away with Symbian, how much more support will they be giving these devices?

The point myself and several others made referred to people who have sold or otherwise replaced their N97 with another model or brand yet still bitch on AAS about the problems (which no longer affect them as they don't use or own an N97). Obviously long-term AAS members like myself are always willing to advise and discuss problems with people like yourself who have so many issues. The problem is so many of the postings now are simply to diss Nokia and the posters dont even want a serious discussion about resolving their issues.

By the way, my comments about read-only AAS members (which won't happen anyway if I know Rafe at all!) were general and not specifically aimed at yourself.

Re postcode searches - I myself find that if an online search doesn't find a postcode, going offline and re-running the search often works. Apart from that, I am not aware of any serious issues with the latest MAPS application. As for menu structure, etc, thats down to a matter of taste. Once all my custom settings have been set, I can launch, search and enter drive nagivation mode in about 1 minute. After that, what else is required?

On the subject of Maps support, Nokia now owns the mapping data supplier (Navteq?) and Navteq was gererally considered to be one of the best in the industry. By the nature, size & complexity of the maps for a whole country, I would expect 1 or 2 maps updates per year to be released. It's also partly down to all of the users (i.e. us!) to contact Navteq/Nokia if there's a serious inaccuracy with existing mapping data, and to local councils etc to inform the regional OS data organisation with new streets and postcodes, as a lot of the map data updates come to Navteq via Ordnance Survey MasterMap updates - I am fairly sure that's the scenario, as I work in I.T. for my local council and thats how our GIS data maps are updated - local data is sent to OS, approved/checked, then OS data sell the national map data back to anyone who is willing to pay - including the likes of Navteq, TomTom, etc.

volvo940se wrote:As for OVI maps, well with the current GPS issues on the N97 even after the fix, so that does not help, but the menu was not the easiest to navigate, as for search feature, well it wont find postcodes that have been around for years yet it finds postcodes that are new, no idea why that is, Navmii is better and the menu is soo much easier to navigate. As for the new version, well not tried it yet, but will give it ago and see what all the fuss is about.

Yes it is free, that is one plus, but how often will it be updated, and what map support will there be? Before the only part you paid for was the voice guidence, but is this just Nokia trying to compete with google and with all the chat about Nokia doing away with Symbian, how much more support will they be giving these devices?


Since the new GPS antenna installed in my phone with A-GPS running I have a fix in about 5 seconds and an incredibly accurate one within 30 and from what I've read on here most people have similar results - but that has nothing to do with the quality of Ovi Maps which is available for many other Nokia handsets that have never had any GPS issues. Nokia Maps did start off a bit clunky, but it's been one of the most developed and regularly updated pieces of software I've ever known. Since it changed name to Ovi with the version off Beta Labs it has been a joy to use, and the latest full release (3.03?) with free navigation is spot on - I don't see how you can put it down when you haven't even tried the version that's in question?

Also I know Nokia took a little while to get their acts together and not all care points seemed to get the information straight away but they did eventually release the new back section for the phone as a free repair which so far for me has completely fixed GPS and lens issues. Again with software it takes a while but I'm pretty happy on v20, very rarely have to reset my phone and pretty happy with the interface and usability - OK the memory and C drive were underspecified and there's occasional things that eat them up (Nokia Messaging gradually uses up my C drive) but I hear v21 has much better memory management and it does seem like the updates and support for the phone are still pretty regular.

I can understand people being disillusioned and fed up with the phone - I am to an extent - but I think it's too easy to just see the negative side of it when actually there is still a lot going for it and with the latest hardware and software it's a great device. I'm sure most people that buy a phone like the N97 know that it's going to be buggy at first - like you said you came to the Satio after all the fixes so it's all good, but if you'd got one at the start, got fed up and then got an N97 for the first time now with the hardware fixes and v21 preinstalled maybe you'd be making the exact opposite post on a Satio forum.

[email protected] wrote:Not to mention 5MP camera and flash, stereo speakers, phone-to-phone bluetooth, downloadable worldwide maps with free voice navigation and more screen pixels.

The camera is just as good if not better as the N97 aside from the flash, Stereo speakers matter not the sound quality still isn't great (on either) because the speakers are so small I would never listen to music out of the phones speakers. I can exchange pictures with the bluetooth on my iphone and use my BT headset which is all I need.

It may not have voice navigation but the satilight navigation actually works and find me uasually in seconds as oposed to minues for the Nokia. The Screen on the N97 might have more pixels but the iPhone screen looks much better. Aside from the fact I have had it almost a week and not once have I had to reset it or had it freeze or slow down it is amazing.

I was considering ditching the N97 for a basic phone something that actually works and doesn't crap out on me, I often wondered the numberous times I tried to make a call and the phone died if this would happen when I really needed to make a call, I don't know if there was a car accident or I needed to call 999. Instead I got the iphone which works and has great features.

The app store is amazing sure there is alot of useless shit there but there are brilliant apps too.

Red Laser - Scan barcodes and it will tell you where the cheapest place to buy the thing is.

Around me - tells you where the nearest cash point pub hotel etc is from your location.

I have ebay/facebook/amazon/Photobucket apps that actually work.

I have loads of free games that are good fun and some paid ones included a load of point and click adventures which I love.

I feel the main pont is that everything actually works!

The N97 is great on paper but unfortunatly thats all it is, it just doesn't work
as a package.

Well, my N97 works on more than just paper. It works in my hand, on my hands-free, at my desk, in my pocket, in fact everywhere that I need it to, every day. As a business package, it's the best option I have found (and believe me, I spend enough time in gadget fora and magazines searching).

It gives me much, much more than the iPhone would for business use, hence the reason that my iPhone works in my wife's hand, hands-free, etc 😊

Last night, whilst in the pub with some workmates, a few of them did that typical iPhone user thing where they all gather in a huddle, iPhones in one hand and their proverbial willies in their other, furiously beating each other off with the latest fart machine app or somesuch. I'm sat there and a I get a text so I pull my N97 out and a few of them snigger like I just whipped out a Cityman and so I challenged them to prove their devices superiority over my "crap" N97.

I gathered them round, opened up Maps, explained it was 100% free. They all said they had Google Maps which was just as good (I didn't bother with the OTA nature of Google Maps being a major failing compared to Maps). I then opened up my music player, started playing some music, switched back to Maps, which had already acquired a strong lock in the pub, then opened up the browser, and the Facebook app, and finally Gravity, where I proceeded to tweet their accounts.

To an N97 user (or any other S60 device, TBH) this is quite normal. But when I asked them to do something similar on their iPhones, they simply couldn't. What's the point of having a sexy, sleek piece of technology when it can only do one thing at a time?

I'll be the first to admit that I am a Nokia fanboy. I will also be the first to admit that my experience up till now of the N97 has been testing, to say the least. I do feel incredibly disappointed with it, having come from the quite superb N95, with it's rock solid reliability and performance, and it's only recently that it has started to become the device we all hoped it would be.

I installed v21 firmware today and the difference is quite noticeable. Much more free RAM (approx 55MB at any one time) and much faster and smoother. It's not perfect, but it's getting closer all the time. I think if anyone looked at an N97 now, compared to before, they'd have a lot less to complain about.

Yes, I do wish that I had waited for the N900 but come contract renewal time, that will have bedded in nicely and spawned some new offspring for me to choose from.

I still maintain that for serious, multi-functional smartphone use, the iPhone simply doesn't cut it. It's a fashion accessory, a smartphone for people who can't deal with the complexities of smartphones. It does what it does very bloody well, but what it does is not a bloody lot.

At the end of the day, we should all be buying devices for the functionality they provide us with to go about our business. If an iPhone ticks your boxes, fine, go for it.

However, the market share facts would bear out the trend that the iPhone is still a minority product in the smartphone arena.

lovesign wrote:
I still maintain that for serious, multi-functional smartphone use, the iPhone simply doesn't cut it. It's a fashion accessory, a smartphone for people who can't deal with the complexities of smartphones. It does what it does very bloody well, but what it does is not a bloody lot.

At the end of the day, we should all be buying devices for the functionality they provide us with to go about our business. If an iPhone ticks your boxes, fine, go for it.

Couldn't agree more lovesign!

Last year I posted:-

"Perhaps smart phones are becoming too smart.
We get them and fire them up, sometimes ignoring the manuals, and then shove loads of third party software on them without a thought or adjustment to settings and expect them to work perfectly. I know from my own experience that I've had to uninstall software from a handset because of conflicts or poor programming."

In this thread here:-

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum//forum/thread/90298/

I won't knock the iPhone 3GS, I have on previous versions though, as it is a good, fairly idiot proof, undemanding, handset for the mass market who do not want, or expect, it to do more than it says on the tin.

To achieve this though, Apple have had to place a lot of restrictions on it though, not open source, no 3rd party unapproved app's, etc. Hence the number of hacked and jail broken iPhones by frustrated users.

The Nokia N97, v21, however is a multi tasking, fully configurable handset that can be adapted to the users needs on so many levels with open source and 3rd party app's.

However, it does require a certain amount of time, research (on forums such as this) and intelligence to optimize and configure the handset to your needs.

You lot must have had better n97s than me then, as mine crashed multiple times a day, opening the music took an age, and Maps never worked it said I needed a licence (didn't bother me I had garmin XT)

chris-red wrote:You lot must have had better n97s than me then, as mine crashed multiple times a day, opening the music took an age, and Maps never worked it said I needed a licence (didn't bother me I had garmin XT)

It is a shame when people have really bad experiences with products, but it's just the way it goes sometimes.

Maps, until 2 weeks ago, was a licence driven navigation product, so your issue with paying was quite normal. However, as you have probably read, Maps is now completely free. No catch. Every part of it's service (Navigation, Traffic Info, Speed Cameras, Map Data, Michelin Guides, etc.) is free. It's ground breaking stuff that saw shares in TomTom & Garmin fall by about 10% on the day Nokia announced it.

As for the Music Player, I'll admit that it can be a little slow, but not so that it's detrimental to it's use and I do have about 6000 songs on there, so I always cut it some slack.

Given that these Nokia devices are, like Ian pointed out, open and free to be messed around with, you will always get people who dick around with stuff before they actually know what they are doing, not that I'm implying that that's the case with you by any means 😊 We are so used to operating systems nannying us through stuff, making sure we don't do anything we shouldn't do, that when something comes along that offers amazing power and complexity and doesn't prescribe what the end user can do with it (or certainly has fewer restrictions than most) it will inevitably attract users who think they can wade in and go ape, doing all sorts of things and expecting it to perform brilliantly. One of the main reasons that the iPhone does what it does so very well is because nothing gets on there unless Apple say it can. I've lost count of the amount of iPhone users I have met who have jail-broken their phones, only to find that it then starts to cause all manner of crashes and errors. Most will accept this trade off of stability over complete freedom to do what they want with the iPhone. Just like S60 users do (and have done for some while!) 😉

Yes, Nokia dropped the ball on the N97. You won't find anyone denying that. But, I've owned enough S60 devices to know that if you buy one early doors, you must accept that it won't be perfect until a few firmware revisions in. The N95 was a classic case, but now it still remains the most successful smartphone of all time, and a device whose "unit shipped" figures are something Apple can only dream of.

I hope that you will be happier with your new choice 😊

Well, for my �0.02p's worth....

I've had the N97 since it was first launched here in Saudi, about a week before it hit the UK shops, and I have had my fair share of problems - probably the worst of it was when it was running on v12. At that stage , I was looking to sell it on and buy another device, but looked hard at what else was out there. I liked the physical qwerty keybaord, so looked at the E75 - but the screen was too small.

Looked at the E71 and then the E72, but to be honest they just looked a bit to Blackberry-esque and just didn't appeal, don't know why really. Loked at the Samsung i8910, and a coupl eof HTC phones. Of course, seriously considered the iPhone...I am a fan of Apple and their computers, so thought if I had a full set, it might be quite cool - but on paper, the N97 still beats the iPhone. So, although I was looking, I never really found a phone that ticked all the boxes for me.

I spent some time bleating on about the failures of the N97 on the Nokia Discussion Forums, and had several posts edited and deleted - and to go off slightly here at a tangent, I seriously believe that if users of the N97 want to come on here and criticise the N97, they should have every right to do so. I really could not stomach the censorship as demonstrated by Nokia and their discussion forums mods.

Anyway, for a short time, I went back to using my N95. I bought that when it had been out a few months, so never really had any problems with that, and eventually had it unlocked and debranded, so it was running all the latest FW versions, nad to my mind, was just a perfect phone. Now, nearly three years later, it is still being used by my step daughter.

Back to the N97 - eventually v20 came out, and it still had a coupl eof bugs, but now, v21 and free maps is running on the phone, and it is now I feel at a stage where I am happy with it. The sad thing is that it has taken 7 months to get to this stage. However, I am reasonably confident that the phone will still keep on improving now, and by the time we hit v30, it will be a very solidy performing device. For example, I just LOVE the FM Transmitter - just get in the car, and press play on my music widget and instant music through the car's stereo - it just works really really well, and gives an excellent sound quality. THis HAS to be a must on any new phone in the future for me.

But - I have also learnt my lessons and in future, will not buy a Nokia smartphone on it's release date - will wait for a few months til it settles down a little.

In summary the last few months have been more downs that ups with the phone, but after having stuck with it, I'm pretty glad I did, as there is nothing else out there that I think I would like to use.

We all have our opinions, and these are always valid, whether it is positive or negative. I do understand that many N97 owners have ditched it and move don, and this must be a lesson for Nokia to learn from, it is not down to current N97 owner to get defensive over. I paid in excess of �500 for the phone, and spent several months being underwhelmed. So, I'm not promoting patience and perseverance - I just cannot afford to go around �500 after a hpone every few months, so really, had to make it work.

Yes, I'm disapointed it took so long, but now, looking forward to it being a great device - will it ever be as good as the N95? Time will tell.

BTW, I'm starting to see more and more of them ( N97's ) out there in the wild. SPotted with a little more regularity.

Anyway - bit of a ramble, but good luck to those who still have their N97's and good luck to those who have since moved on.

I sold my iPhone when I got the N97. The N97 has many, many more features than the iPhone. It might not look quite as slick, but that's about all the iPhone has over it. To me the word 'smartphone' suggests concepts like multi-tasking, connectivity and customisability. All of these are superior on the N97 than on iPhone.

the n97 has allways had the specs on paper to be a nice device

however the 6-7 months it has taken them to build a stable firmware with workable ram and fix hardware issues is what has caused the n97 to gain so much bad press from users and reviewers etc

lets face it people didnt buy the phone to write bad things about it or to sell it and buy a new phone 😊 it had to be said as it was true , the camera and gps was a horrible mistake and ruined the experience completely , the ram , the processor , the c drive , all major issues that have done nothing but cause a bad image for nokia from bad user experience

i went through 4 of them and all owning a n97 did was make me scared to open a mobile phone camera cover and start to believe that every gps was going to be useless 😊 seriously when i bought my next phone i was scared to open the camera cover

its slowly turnt into a workable device but i dont think anyone can criticise people for being annoyed with the n97 , it was a �500 device , lets face it , it shouldnt have been how it was should it , people have the right to be annoyed

as for which device is better that all depends on what the user wants and needs out of their device

chris-red wrote: and Maps never worked it said I needed a licence (didn't bother me I had garmin XT)

Just being picky, but your decision not to purchase a maps license doesn't meam the MAps app "never worked".

Until recently, there was no turn-by-turn Satellite Navigation system or app available which was totally free.
Nokia have made a ground breaking move (by making all functionality free) which has the rest fo the smartphone GPS-app developer & reseller community in total panic.