"Kinetic scrolling should be available even in the pop up menu - 0:11 seconds. Then I don't mind it at all. "
Why is it they put kinetic scrolling on all menus in the n97/mini except for these types.
Symbian^3 Design Preview looks spectacular
I've just seen the Windows Mobile 7 equivalent of this video. Offers nothing much new, some swinging-door type page transitions, which as eye candy, are going to wear pretty thin pretty quick.
Not impressed. Somebody has an opportunity here to grab the prize. Innovate. Nothing has spectacular has happened since mid 2007.
Unregistered wrote:Kinetic scrolling should be available even in the pop up menu - 0:11 seconds. Then I don't mind it at all.
Kinetic scrolling is available in the pop up menus even on the current phones like the 5800 - but only where there are more items in the menu list than can be displayed in the pop up window size. Otherwise (as is the case) you get pointlessly bouncing menus that move when you touch them.
In the video it appears that the popup windows scales to accommodate the list, which is a better idea than scrolling of any kind because it requires less touches to reach your menu option. Good design will allow the number of items in the menu list to be kept to a minimum so as to stay inside the pop up. The popup obscuring the main screen might be a problem is a few circumstances, but as the user focus is on the list choice it should mostly be OK.
I like the current Symbian feature of a three bar menu button bringing up a transparent screenful of finger sized item choices though. People do seem to have an aversion to menu lists because it reminds them of old desktop UIs. Still a perfectly practical way of doing things though.
Wait until you see it running on a phone. I don't mind the iPhone UI rip off so much but it had better run as smooth at that or forget about it.
Serious60 wrote:Wait until you see it running on a phone. I don't mind the iPhone UI rip off so much but it had better run as smooth at that or forget about it.
With hardware graphics accelerator I see no reason for it to not run smoothly. Or at least as smoothly as an iPhone or Android device - both have their little jerky laggy moments - especially Android.
Ratkat wrote:I really don't want to be a naysayer here, I really hope that Symbian ^3 is a resounding success. but....I do remember that the N97 looked this good in it's promo video, and just as fast, the reality was something completely different.
I don't really see the relevance of the N97 promo video. The video here is not a promo for a phone, it's a promo for the OS and UI only. The N97 appeared without HW graphics accelerator, so the manufacturer let the OS down.
This promo mentions support for HW accelerated graphics, so it is up to the handset manufacturers to provide the host hardware to fulfil the capabilities of the OS as demonostrated.
Unregistered wrote:Well, this looks like a great UI, and I was for two seconds thinking about buying a ^3 phone, then I remembered my Nokia N97 mini's faults, to name a few:1) Too little ram (ok, not software); sometimes more is more.
2) Slow processor (Ok, not software); sometimes more is more.
3) Burns my battery when left on standby (fully charged) overnight, so my alarm won't go off - all this with no apps running and FB widget switched off.
4) Its a phone, well, it would be but:4.1 No alphanumeric pad when calling, say your bank/phone operator, so inputting the number that represents a character is not as easy as it should be.
4.2 Phone can crash when receiving a text standard message.
4.3 Phone gets into a loop when entering a character in T9.
4.4 No search directly in Calendar; no multiple calendars, or todos (I had these in my P900)
4.5 How many clicks to make a call from speed dial - too many.
4.6 Too many notifications
4.7 One click, or two clicks to start your application, sir. One, well you need ^3, then.So, I think I'll wait awhile before I can trust Nokia/Symbian to deliver a phone that works, as phone, never mind a smart one.
Regards
LZ64
Shame, and I've been a fan of Symbian (Psion) since my LZ64; the agenda and other software on my Psion Mx5 is far more flexible and stable than the ^2.
my n97 mini has alphanumeric pad when calling. it shows the letters on the standard number pad. not sure why yours is missing.
It all depends on the hardware that it is running on. The UI would fly like the demo if it is a 1.2G dual core with OpenGL ES assist. With all those threads running it better has more memory that the existing hardware and some decent swap space to run stuff in the background, mameo is really good with that. If Nokia intends to release something that just "good enough"...then it would be like N97 all over again. Wait...N97 hardware was under-spec on first customer ship...
Don't forget since the software layer is new, they better improve on the software QA. No one needs Rescue Package V20 again. V20 type stability needs to be in the box when I opened the retail package. Thank you!
It's is not just about the new "hotness", it's "why doesn't $hit work the way they advertise?"
The sad part is I probably go out and buy it...on the day it ships!
RogerPodacter wrote:my n97 mini has alphanumeric pad when calling. it shows the letters on the standard number pad. not sure why yours is missing.
NAM version?
BTW official Skype client for 5th edition is available.
RogerPodacter wrote:my n97 mini has alphanumeric pad when calling. it shows the letters on the standard number pad. not sure why yours is missing.
I think the rest of the world outside the USA is mystified as to why people would need an alpha mnemonic to remember a simple short string of numbers. Or even if you needed to use the alpha, how simple it is to figure out which numbers would contain the appropriate triplet after years of T9ing. How stupid do you need to be? I had assumed those triplets were only needed for DDA.
the letters are needed because phone systems all over the place use LETTERS. when i get a speed ticket, i am required to enter the citation number into the phone using my "touchtone keypad", and that citation number is something like "XJ7Q44K". now if the rest of the world wants to pretend they are so smart that they have the letters memorized. great. but the letters need to be there for the general public. countless things in the world are obvious, but they still are included anyway. why label a boys and girls bathroom? we all know the man vs the woman symbol on the door, so why put the word there too? are we too stupid to memorize the symbol? same principle.
i order flowers on valentine's day, i have to dial 1-800-FLOWERS. why would the phone NOT have the letters on the dialpad? its needed in countless situations.
"Is it just me or does this fundamentally look like a small polish to the current 5th edition? I mean, the "complicated" menu structure is still there, just with cool and shiny transitions and HW acceleration. The UI looks a bit laggy even on this promo video and all in all it just doesn't seem like a huge leap forward to me.
Not that this wouldn't be progress. It's still just fuglier than the rest."
yeah, it's just you. Single touch across the board is a FUNDAMENTAL change to the icky way it's implemented in 5th edition, something that should have been dealt with in the initial jump from 3rd to 5th. Reading about the changes under the hood as well, ie multitasking core changes, that sort of thing isn't just polish. UI looks laggy? geez, I didn't see that. This looks genuinely exciting.
i like the concept. its clean, neat and simple. Multi-tasking is great, webOS style. Homescreen is very productive with those widgets, plus its got 3 homescreens, thats awesome you can pretty much tie up all apps you use in those homescreens and you will never need to even go into the menu.
Now what we need is some nice hardware that will actually go with it, not like those bricks Nokia throws at us (5800, N97, N900 anyone?) I recently saw a picture of the supposedly upcoming N98 in green, I will admit I was DROOLING all over that hardware design!!! Gimme that with Sym3 goodies and i'm all set!
Unregistered wrote:Why the f*** can't you dial 1-800-3569377 ?It's not needed, because all over the world people manage perfectly well without that system, that particularly American system based on the number of characters in the English alphabet.
Because if you use the mnemonic you are suckered to the company that had the cash to pay the carrier for that number. Personally I would look around and find value and service quality, and they can't all be 1-800-DUMBASSHIT
Yes, I know phone numbers use 7 digits....... or should that be P or Q or R or S digits.....
no, you cant just dial that when you are out and about with a bag of groceries in one hand and phone in the other. you arent going to remember every letter in every situation. your argument is completely weak.
how about when the phone system asks to enter "GDEJ54K" for your ticket number? you are actually advocating that rather than just put the letters on the number pad, to purposely leave the letter off because you like to memorize them. are you seriously suggesting that? get over yourself, every phone since the beginning of time has had letters on the numberpad. that's the way it is.
just because the rest of the world doesnt use naming schemes doesnt mean that the places that DO use it should be without it.
your argument has a lot of bias of "dumb americans". yet here i am with a bachelor's degree in engineering making a case for why it is necessary just FYI.
Doesnt really look that 'spectacular' TBH. Like someone said before, this reminds me of the intital N97 ads... where everything looked super smooth, but in reality it wasnt. I wonder if this will be the same?
Story 1:
I buy a first-gen iPhone three years ago. The OS is astonishing.
Apple keeps on improving their OS with new versions every so often
I keep updating my iPhone, and every year it gets better.
Story 2:
I buy a Nokia 5800. The software is mediocre.
Nokia brings out new models also based on S60V5 with new goodies and less bugs (?)
My 5800 gets left behind, forever mediocre, and I have to buy a new phone.
Is this a compelling story for customers? Is this very environmentally sound?
Nice try, Nokia, but I'll go with Android, which has the updates and lacks the shepherding.
Unregistered wrote:Story 1:
I buy a first-gen iPhone three years ago. The OS is astonishing.
Apple keeps on improving their OS with new versions every so often
I keep updating my iPhone, and every year it gets better.
Addendum to Story 1:
I am stuck with a phone with no 3G, no GPS, a very poor 2MP camera and unable to benefit from the new iPhone OS features such as video editing.
Story 2:
I get a new phone for one third the cost of the iPhone and it has the latest features.
RogerPodacter wrote:no, you cant just dial that when you are out and about with a bag of groceries in one hand and phone in the other. you arent going to remember every letter in every situation. your argument is completely weak.
Not weak. If the rest of the world can cope, it's not my argument that is weak. How does having a bag of groceries in one hand stop you from dialing by number or by alpha? It's the same keypad, same hand. How does holding a bag of groceries affect my memory?
RogerPodacter wrote:
how about when the phone system asks to enter "GDEJ54K" for your ticket number? you are actually advocating that rather than just put the letters on the number pad, to purposely leave the letter off because you like to memorize them. are you seriously suggesting that? get over yourself, every phone since the beginning of time has had letters on the numberpad. that's the way it is.
Are you sure that every phones since the beginning of time has had letters? And that those letters belong to the English alphabet.
And that ticket number system constrains the system to the numbers on the keypad. There is no difference between "GDEJ54K" and "HFDL54J", and there isn't even a mnemonic. So why not just use numbers? It's an overengineered system.
RogerPodacter wrote:
just because the rest of the world doesnt use naming schemes doesnt mean that the places that DO use it should be without it.
I don't suggest that any places should be without it.
RogerPodacter wrote:
your argument has a lot of bias of "dumb americans". yet here i am with a bachelor's degree in engineering making a case for why it is necessary just FYI.
I'm delighted for you that you have achieved the minimum standard of education for the 21st century, but I am a bit disappointed that people are losing their ability to think.
The human race developed cognisant reasoning over millions of years of evolution, and now this is being lost in a sea of spoon-feeding and convenience. We fail to exercise our minds, then like our bodies it would turn into a lardy blob.
When you get into your car to drive home after your days work you will look in your mirror and be told (again) that: "Objects in this mirror are closer than they appear"..... Well DUH! Did you really need to know that? Another thing that's not needed in other countries.
Use 1-800-FLOWERS. You have access to one florist who paid their telco for that number, they won't have to try too hard and you will pay extra so that they can pay for their premium number. It's a very poor system for the consumer.
Unregistered wrote:Story 1:
I buy a first-gen iPhone three years ago. The OS is astonishing.
Apple keeps on improving their OS with new versions every so often
I keep updating my iPhone, and every year it gets better.Story 2:
I buy a Nokia 5800. The software is mediocre.
Nokia brings out new models also based on S60V5 with new goodies and less bugs (?)
My 5800 gets left behind, forever mediocre, and I have to buy a new phone.Is this a compelling story for customers? Is this very environmentally sound?
Nice try, Nokia, but I'll go with Android, which has the updates and lacks the shepherding.
What rubbish! iPhone has continually been outrageously priced (3 or 4 times a more capable Nokia). The OS is astonishing? Astonishingly underpowered for what you get. Can't multitask, has always lacked features. iPhone has continually been well behind the curve in both hardware and software features. Apple make you buy a whole new phone if you want an upgrade.
The 5800 on the other hand has been vastly successful, is vastly cheaper than iPhone, and as for upgrades, did you not see the firmware upgrade to v40 recently?
Android is on a road to nowhere, but be my guest. Oh, and I should point out Nokia smartphone market share grew 5% last quarter (which is huge growth) whereas Apple remained static which is highly worrying for them as that quarter is their main growth quarter, and they will now not grow until the next iPhone release in the summer. iPhone has peaked, Android is walking dead.
The future lies with Symbian.
Why WOULD anyone buy an iPhone when a Nokia (running Symbian ^3) will give you something SO much better SO much cheaper?
Because ^3 isn't better, it isn't even much better than ^1. No new UI paradigm for Symbian is very disappointing.
And as for Android, I think Nokia's recent efforts and Symbian ^3, and the implications of MeeGo (just announced, see later stories on the site) kill Android stone dead on every front...
MeeGo is Nokia's high end, the news makes me devote even less of my resources to Symbian.
Unregistered wrote:Not weak. If the rest of the world can cope, it's not my argument that is weak. How does having a bag of groceries in one hand stop you from dialing by number or by alpha? It's the same keypad, same hand. How does holding a bag of groceries affect my memory?Are you sure that every phones since the beginning of time has had letters? And that those letters belong to the English alphabet.
And that ticket number system constrains the system to the numbers on the keypad. There is no difference between "GDEJ54K" and "HFDL54J", and there isn't even a mnemonic. So why not just use numbers? It's an overengineered system.
I don't suggest that any places should be without it.
I'm delighted for you that you have achieved the minimum standard of education for the 21st century, but I am a bit disappointed that people are losing their ability to think.
The human race developed cognisant reasoning over millions of years of evolution, and now this is being lost in a sea of spoon-feeding and convenience. We fail to exercise our minds, then like our bodies it would turn into a lardy blob.
When you get into your car to drive home after your days work you will look in your mirror and be told (again) that: "Objects in this mirror are closer than they appear"..... Well DUH! Did you really need to know that? Another thing that's not needed in other countries.
Use 1-800-FLOWERS. You have access to one florist who paid their telco for that number, they won't have to try too hard and you will pay extra so that they can pay for their premium number. It's a very poor system for the consumer.
that's noble and all that the world needs to become more intelligent, but in the mean time the letters should be on the number pad. by your logic, my laptop keyboard should not have any letters on it. i mean why does it? everyone has them memorized. and i would bet 1000 dollars that more people have the standard qwerty keyboard memorized over a alphanumeric dial pad letters. but you see, not having the letters labeled would be just as stupid as not having letters on the dialp...oh wait, nevermind i give in!
Nokia's UI video is promising, but look at those screenshots on Symbian.org: http://www.symbian.org/symbian-feature-set/symbian-releases/symbian3
What on earth are those? They look like Symbian screenshots from 2002. If I was Steve Ballmer or Steve Jobs, I'd immediately take those images and use them to show how their competition lags behind.
Couldn't they really produce better screeenshots for PR purposes?!
Anybody remember Razor and how cool it was to own one and how everybody wanted one and almost everybody finally bought one?
Anybody knows where all these Razor phones are now? Most of them in the dump...
I personally think iPhone and iPad are a big fad and when people will really start to use them as opposed to drool over them and show off then they will come to a realization that it is not all that perfect as anybody says and charging it every 2 hours does not help either.
Oh, another thing, they will have to buy a new iPhone soon as they cannot change the battery and the grand design behind this is ... yes you guessed it, force people to buy more iPhones. What a scheme...
will i be able to upgrade my nokia e72 running symbian 9.3 to symbian^3
or is it just for touch phones like n97 etc.
Unregistered wrote:will i be able to upgrade my nokia e72 running symbian 9.3 to symbian^3or is it just for touch phones like n97 etc.
It is quite likely that not even the N97 or any other S60 5th Edition will be upgradeable to Symbian^3. In other words, if you want Symbian^3, you'll need to buy a new Symbian^3 phone model. (The only one announced so far, but not yet available, is the Nokia N8.)