A world record? 62 full applications running at the same time on Symbian OS

Steve, the only way you could have a worthy wrap-up of your 'walk on the wide side' is to attempt to tweak your own custom firmware.

Do it!

What Ho! Look out folks, later today the iPhone might just possibly be able to run more than a single whole one app at once, and world will go CRAZY for it! Looking forward to the year 2025 when the iPhone will finally be engineered well enough to run 62 apps too 😊

I've managed to have around 70 apps open on n82 at one time with 4mb ram still to spare.

That is an impossible task on an N97 mini. Too bad.

8910 running 62 apps at the same time (63 inlcuding Handytaskman)

Firmware: HX-V4-Speed-SE (free RAM at BOOT-UP = 194 MB)
63

194mb Free RAM out of 256mb total is amazing!

Something to look forward to : 62 full Apps running at the same time and one Handy Taskman to command them all simultanously would be the like of a crowd of people using 62 iPhones .
Just need more RAM ....

😊 Regards jApi NL

Quick question everyone, with iPhone 4.0 announced now including FULL multi tasking, among MANY other improvements and the 4th gen iPhone not being announced yet is there anything more to denounce the iPhone as smartphone platform? What will all the naysayers cling onto now? Copy and paste has been implemented and it's the best implementation of it among any OS there is, 4 billion app downloads more than 3.5k apps for iPad alone in a week and 3 MILLION app downloads for just the iPad in launch the iPhone platform is a JUGGERNAUT 😊 What to complain about now?

"including FULL multi tasking" It's NOT full multitasking. Not even close. 8-)

iFanboy wrote:Quick question everyone, with iPhone 4.0 announced now including FULL multi tasking, among MANY other improvements and the 4th gen iPhone not being announced yet is there anything more to denounce the iPhone as smartphone platform? What will all the naysayers cling onto now? Copy and paste has been implemented and it's the best implementation of it among any OS there is, 4 billion app downloads more than 3.5k apps for iPad alone in a week and 3 MILLION app downloads for just the iPad in launch the iPhone platform is a JUGGERNAUT 😊 What to complain about now?

As an iPhone owner, can I please have a phone that can get and keep a connection? Why am I often the only one with no signal, same network different phones. Poxy iPhone what use is a connected device if it can't connect? And some battery life would be nice. And a camera that can at least try and take something better than a 1995 digicam.

I also notice that Apple have left the 2G behind now, no OS 4 for the original. And 3G owners won't get multi-tasking. Because Steve Jobs says the 3G don't have the processor for multi-tasking. Jailbreakers don't agree - works fine for them.

And they are making advertising an intrinsic part of the OS. Time for me to get out of iPhone world. Just as Symbian^3 and ^4 is due out. Perfect timing!

> with iPhone 4.0 announced now including FULL multi tasking

Sorry to rain on your party fella, but it's nowhere near full multitasking. If you look at the details, it's actually simple suspending a task in a frozen state, and then reactivating it in the same state - basically putting it to sleep. There are exceptions for audio playing functionality in an app and for receiving GPS coordinates which can happen in the background.

What this shows is quite frankly that Apple don't have the engineering skill to implement full multitasking, and (shock horror at the very notion 😉 ) - the many years of development and experience that have gone into Symbian really have made all the difference and created the world's best multitasking OS (it's certainly light years ahead of iPhone, Android and anything else out there) - and notice I said OS, not mobile OS.

iPhone offers a great UI, plenty of app choice, and that's really about it. Everything else is inferior. And on those couple of plus points the gap is closing fast between the iPhone and it's rivals. I wouldn't buy an iPhone if you paid me, I really wouldn't. Symbian has WAY more of a future. And as for Android, it's barely worth mentioning.

"As an iPhone owner, can I please have a phone that can get and keep a connection? Why am I often the only one with no signal, same network different phones. Poxy iPhone what use is a connected device if it can't connect?"

That can happen with any phone, sorry you can't keep a connection, I can keep one just fine on my 3GS, so can my girlfriend with her 3G, move to a different network maybe?

"And some battery life would be nice"

Uhhh I can give you screenshots if you want of my 3GS easily running over 24 hours heavy usage if you'd like? Hell I can even send you a screenshot of 4 days light usage too 😊

"And a camera that can at least try and take something better than a 1995 digicam."

I'm guessing you have a 3G or 2G? The 3GS camera is really good and easily on par with any of Nokia's attempts, except maybe the N86 😊 Video is superb

"I also notice that Apple have left the 2G behind now, no OS 4 for the original"

Really? I was under the impression that they would get 4.0, just not every feature? If that's true then fair enough to Apple the phones 3 years old now with outdated hardware but I agree it's a shame they've left it behind :-/

"And 3G owners won't get multi-tasking. Because Steve Jobs says the 3G don't have the processor for multi-tasking. Jailbreakers don't agree - works fine for them."

Can't comment on this, never multi tasked with my old 3G but if my girlfriends is anything to go by, that thing's slow as feck with just ONE app running, so I'll go with Jobs on this one 😊

"And they are making advertising an intrinsic part of the OS. Time for me to get out of iPhone world. Just as Symbian^3 and ^4 is due out. Perfect timing!"

Not intrinsic part, advertising will ALWAYS be a part of software (Why do you think Google has done so well?!) all Apple have done is "prettified" it, which I sure as help won't complain about - oh and if you think Symbian won't have advertising with it - let me know how that goes! 😉

Oh and Steve - Youre right I mis-read (was out at a meal and trying to read updates whilst not being meant to be on the phone is quite hard! 😛) it isn't TRUE multi-tasking. Yet every app that needs to work in the background will be able to, and you can then switch between apps, is anything more needed? 😊

Either way folks, the reasons to complain about/call the iPhone platform for is going downwards, I think with the advent of the iPhone G4 (And with it more software announcements, like the 3GS before it) things are gonna get A LOT more interesting 😊

Unregistered wrote:> with iPhone 4.0 announced now including FULL multi tasking

Sorry to rain on your party fella, but it's nowhere near full multitasking. If you look at the details, it's actually simple suspending a task in a frozen state, and then reactivating it in the same state - basically putting it to sleep. There are exceptions for audio playing functionality in an app and for receiving GPS coordinates which can happen in the background.

What this shows is quite frankly that Apple don't have the engineering skill to implement full multitasking, and (shock horror at the very notion 😉 ) - the many years of development and experience that have gone into Symbian really have made all the difference and created the world's best multitasking OS (it's certainly light years ahead of iPhone, Android and anything else out there) - and notice I said OS, not mobile OS.

iPhone offers a great UI, plenty of app choice, and that's really about it. Everything else is inferior. And on those couple of plus points the gap is closing fast between the iPhone and it's rivals. I wouldn't buy an iPhone if you paid me, I really wouldn't. Symbian has WAY more of a future. And as for Android, it's barely worth mentioning.

yeah I caught myself out on the multi tasking, I hold my hands up on that one (which not a lot of people do on the internet these days)

Regarding symbian being better, how exactly? Because it multi-tasks like a real computer?

I fail to see how FULL multi tasking makes it superior in any way?

You say iPhone is just a pretty UI with an astounding app catalougue, then what does that make symbian? An abysmal UI with a terribly ugly App catalougue??

@IFanboy. You are wrong. I've done this experiment again and again. Fringe signal area, two phones, same network. One iPhone, one Nokia. Nokia has 3 bars, iPhone has Searching > No Signal. Tried on o2, tried on Vodafone same result.

Battery life goes down like a proverbial compared too. Phones increase their transmit power when they are struggling to connect. Not good....I just got the 20% low warning.

3GS camera LOL!!!

A jailbroken 3G can multi-task. Slow as you say, yes, but then it is an iPhone.

I also want a proper USB connection, the ability to manage content on the phone (not through a desktop app) a flash, a downloadable iPlayer app and the ability to manage calls without unlocking the phone. Home screen widgets would be good too. The thing is a piece of shit, if it didn't have the one killer app that I need it would be long gone.

I don't have to use google, so I can avoid their ads, but making the OS adcentric is going to be a pain.

iFanboy wrote:

Regarding symbian being better, how exactly? Because it multi-tasks like a real computer?

I fail to see how FULL multi tasking makes it superior in any way?

??

So, if you want an app that hides in the background running while you do something else. Like a GPS tracker? Or something that is monitoring location? Or a time of some kind? One that will pop into life on a given event?

Take my EveryTrail app for example. Brilliant app but once you start it, and you go off on your journey, it has to be the only thing running. I can't reply a text, or check email etc because I would have to shut down everytrail (or in V4 suspend it).

Or if I wanted to write an app that would monitor my connection - and sound a warning if I was in a no-signal area (might be useful if I was expecting an important call), this app would have to be running exclusively on an iPhone. On ANY other smartphone it can be running out of sight all the time.

Unregistered wrote:>
What this shows is quite frankly that Apple don't have the engineering skill to implement full multitasking, and (shock horror at the very notion 😉 ) - the many years of development and experience that have gone into Symbian really have made all the difference and created the world's best multitasking OS (it's certainly light years ahead of iPhone, Android and anything else out there) - and notice I said OS, not mobile OS.

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That's a bit silly really as Apple have the engineering knowledge to implement full multi-tasking in Snow Leopard - it comes from BSD UNIX - not apple. They just don't have the ability to relax and let people decide how many concurrent apps they want vs a compromised phone performance.

And it's not years of development and experience in Symbian that allows it to multi-task the way it does, because it has always been able to do it, even right back to EPOC32 in the mid 1990s, it is the heritage of that superb OS that gives the capability. Just as the linux heritage allows the android phones to do it, and just as Apple have crippled BSD in the iPhone implementation.

iFanboy wrote:That can happen with any phone, sorry you can't keep a connection, I can keep one just fine on my 3GS, so can my girlfriend with her 3G, move to a different network maybe?

Err, how to you move to a different network with an iPhone, when it is only sold on one network? That's right, you can't.

At the end of the day, the iPhone is still a toy when compared to the more powerful devices, such as Android or Symbian. On the one hand Apple try to convince you it's the most powerful phone ever, then they won't let you delete ie. music files on the device itself, only via iTunes; this then renders it nothing more than an accessory to your PC...

"buster
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Originally Posted by iFanboy
That can happen with any phone, sorry you can't keep a connection, I can keep one just fine on my 3GS, so can my girlfriend with her 3G, move to a different network maybe?
Err, how to you move to a different network with an iPhone, when it is only sold on one network? That's right, you can't.

At the end of the day, the iPhone is still a toy when compared to the more powerful devices, such as Android or Symbian. On the one hand Apple try to convince you it's the most powerful phone ever, then they won't let you delete ie. music files on the device itself, only via iTunes; this then renders it nothing more than an accessory to your PC..."

Dunno where you're from, but here in the UK the iPhone is available on pretty much all the networks, 4 in total, and with an unlocked iPhone you can use it on any network.

buster wrote:Err, how to you move to a different network with an iPhone, when it is only sold on one network? That's right, you can't.

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Which country does that apply to?

In the UK it is sold on Orange, Vodafone, O2, Tesco. If you want to use Tmobile, 3 or any of the other MVNOs then you simply request an unlock code and pick up a free SIM from somewhere. I think the same situation in all Europe.

Don't know abou the USA though, is is only sold on AT&T? There are other GSM networks, can't the US users simply request an unlock code and use another SIM? I know current iPhones won't work on CDMA networks (but who would want to use CDMA anyway?).

"So, if you want an app that hides in the background running while you do something else. Like a GPS tracker? Or something that is monitoring location? Or a time of some kind? One that will pop into life on a given event?"

iPhone multitask can do that. Please try to be non-multitask yourself: read first and complain after that One thing at a time... 😊

Unregistered wrote:Which country does that apply to?

In the UK it is sold on Orange, Vodafone, O2, Tesco. If you want to use Tmobile, 3 or any of the other MVNOs then you simply request an unlock code and pick up a free SIM from somewhere. I think the same situation in all Europe.

Don't know abou the USA though, is is only sold on AT&T? There are other GSM networks, can't the US users simply request an unlock code and use another SIM? I know current iPhones won't work on CDMA networks (but who would want to use CDMA anyway?).

So basically, you're suggesting that someone buys an iPhone with a 18-24 month contract, as they have no choice. They then ask to get it unlocked, which many operators will not allow in the first year anyway, then put a different SIM in the phone while still paying for the contract which they are now no longer using. All to get a reasonable signal... hmm, interesting theory...

"So basically, you're suggesting that someone buys an iPhone with a 18-24 month contract, as they have no choice. They then ask to get it unlocked, which many operators will not allow in the first year anyway, then put a different SIM in the phone while still paying for the contract which they are now no longer using. All to get a reasonable signal... hmm, interesting theory..."

Wrong again buddy, you can now buy the iPhone PayAsYouGo 😊. Can also buy it from apple direct themselves then put any sim card you want into it, so not as hard as you think. You'll still have SOMETHING to complain about though, I'm sure 😊

Unregistered wrote:"So, if you want an app that hides in the background running while you do something else. Like a GPS tracker? Or something that is monitoring location? Or a time of some kind? One that will pop into life on a given event?"

iPhone multitask can do that. Please try to be non-multitask yourself: read first and complain after that One thing at a time... 😊

I'll give you the GPS, tracking. However, it still doesn't have the same extremely useful background application capabilities, the GPS example is but one of many.

And yes, there will be plenty to complain on all phones.

iFanboy wrote:Wrong again buddy, you can now buy the iPhone PayAsYouGo 😊. Can also buy it from apple direct themselves then put any sim card you want into it, so not as hard as you think. You'll still have SOMETHING to complain about though, I'm sure 😊

Even if you can buy the iPhone PAYG, that doesn't necessarily help someone who has recently bought one, only to find that it can't hold a signal, as they will probably not be able to unlock it for the first 12 months, meaning they're stuck with their current network...

And anyway, I'm not complaining. I don't own an iPhone and have no intention of ever buying one, locked or unlocked. The total cost of ownership is too high and the performance is too low to justify it; if the iPhone 3GS overheats WITHOUT multi-tasking it'll be interesting to see how it does WITH multi-tasking (and no, my Nokia has NEVER overheated)...

"buster
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Originally Posted by iFanboy
Wrong again buddy, you can now buy the iPhone PayAsYouGo 😊. Can also buy it from apple direct themselves then put any sim card you want into it, so not as hard as you think. You'll still have SOMETHING to complain about though, I'm sure 😊
Even if you can buy the iPhone PAYG, that doesn't necessarily help someone who has recently bought one, only to find that it can't hold a signal, as they will probably not be able to unlock it for the first 12 months, meaning they're stuck with their current network...

And anyway, I'm not complaining. I don't own an iPhone and have no intention of ever buying one, locked or unlocked. The total cost of ownership is too high and the performance is too low to justify it; if the iPhone 3GS overheats WITHOUT multi-tasking it'll be interesting to see how it does WITH multi-tasking (and no, my Nokia has NEVER overheated)..."

Quite frankly that's their own silly fault for not testing it in store/friends/families or hell, even researching about the device first. Sure, some people will have signal probelms, and some don't. Is that so hard to understand?

And LMAO at the overheating comment, are you too young to remeber the exploding Nokias? Fair enough when left in extreme heat the iPhone can overheat yes, but not once has an iPhone exploded on it's user lol.

And you keep saying the performance too low, in what way? My 3GS can run circles around every Nokia out today in speed, and anything the Nokia can do the iPhone can do better either standard, or jailbroken if need be. With the "Click once and forget" nature of jailbreaking these days it's a lit easier to do it now than say, load a custom firmware onto an i8910? Heh

If you want to talk about iphones (and I *do* have one), please f off elsewhere

Unregistered wrote:"buster
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and anything the Nokia can do the iPhone can do better either standard, or jailbroken if need be....

Didn't realise I could jailbreak a camera flash onto the iPhone! finally, those out and about shots will look great! And what's that? I can jailbreak a standard usb connection onto it too? and I can jailbreak choice of form factor? This jailbreak thing is amazing!

Unregistered wrote:Quite frankly that's their own silly fault for not testing it in store/friends/families or hell, even researching about the device first. Sure, some people will have signal probelms, and some don't. Is that so hard to understand?

What you are basically admitting is the iPhone needs testing before purchase, as it MAY not work for a particular user. And anyway, not everyone has a friend with an iPhone on a particular network to try, so that's a slightly unrealistic suggestion to make. And let's not forget that this is NOT something you generally have to do with a Nokia, as they have no problems with reception.

And LMAO at the overheating comment, are you too young to remeber the exploding Nokias? Fair enough when left in extreme heat the iPhone can overheat yes, but not once has an iPhone exploded on it's user lol.

Not true; there have been reports of exploding iPhones, see here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10312537-1.html...

And you keep saying the performance too low, in what way? My 3GS can run circles around every Nokia out today in speed, and anything the Nokia can do the iPhone can do better either standard, or jailbroken if need be.

Somehow I doubt that. No doubt the iPhone 4.0 update with some multi-tasking support will improve things, but the lack of multi-tasking IS a limitation in usablility. You're playing a game, want to check your email, and heh, the game closes and has to be restarted. No matter how quick that is, it can't be called "running circles round a Nokia". You're happy with your iPhone, which is great, but I certainly would not be, which is why I'll never buy one.