It seems to be fashionable to take a negative view of Nokia and Symbian. Whenever I check my Google news feed it appears that most of the articles are foretelling Symbian’s demise and suggesting Nokia move to some other platform. Two recent conversations lead me to ponder on a broader picture.
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Interesting. I currently use a 16GB X6 and despite trying out an HTC Desire and iPhone 3GS (only had limited time on an iPhone 4) have yet to replace it because it does the things that matter to me very well and is, frankly, cheap.
I guess it's what people want that matters not what they're being told they want.
A nice piece of article.
Much like the people who frequently visit this site, I too is a long time Nokia/Symbian user. I have seen the successes of Nokia's smartphones in the past, much like the smartphones today.
Nokia is such a good company, I only wish that they put their acts together. Im sure they have the talent to become the most wanted Phone in the dealer's stand, but somehow they are facing an ever tougher competetion.
Just like Racing, Nokia must prove itself competitive but at the same time reliable. It has suffered numerous attacks lately both from the presses and the very people who at some time were Nokia's defenders of the brand.
Tacsiyapo!
I think the problem is that thanks to the internet anyone can latch onto figures or viewpoint to make their argument seem credible enough. And depending on the subject a lot of generally trusted places can also join in which adds even more credibility.
For example (doing a quick Google) Mac OS X has a whopping 5.11% WORLDWIDE (you always get US blogs skewing this with US only figures) marketshare. Each time the Online Apple Store goes down the blogs go nuts, up comes some minor spec increase to a MacBook, and then a few days later you get unboxing reports/full performance reports/etc. The way blogs act you'd think Macs have as much dominance in the PC market as iPods do in the portable music player one.
If Dell or Sony or Asus release a new laptop with a minor spec increase nobody in the "blogosphere" cares. And why would they?
Equally there was a massive point made about GTA IV in the media selling loads. Well a quick Google later and Mario Kart Wii is currently 5.5 million copies ahead.
Symbian is unlikely to die. On a worldwide scale it's far too massive and runs on so many different (and cheap!) devices.
That's not to say the blog don't have a point - it can most certainly be brought down to a minor player in the western high-end smartphone market if they don't start improving things. And by things I mean the UI/UX.
As an example to update an application through Ovi Store you have to:
1. Realise there is infact an update (or perhaps the application will be nice and tell you inside the app).
2. Uninstall
3. Potentially restart
4. Go into the Ovi Store and download again
5. Potentially restart
6. Done
App Store:
You get notified, click a button, enter in your password, done.
If Nokia got it through their head that it's nothing to do with functionality, but how you use and interact with that functionality, Symbian would be much better off in mindshare.
Not everyone is bashing Nokia
http://nitishkumar.net/2010/07/02/symbian-or-meego-whats-been-wrong-with-nokia-and-what-should-be-done/
Unregistered wrote:I think the problem is that thanks to the internet anyone can latch onto figures or viewpoint to make their argument seem credible enough. And depending on the subject a lot of generally trusted places can also join in which adds even more credibility.For example (doing a quick Google) Mac OS X has a whopping 5.11% WORLDWIDE (you always get US blogs skewing this with US only figures) marketshare. Each time the Online Apple Store goes down the blogs go nuts, up comes some minor spec increase to a MacBook, and then a few days later you get unboxing reports/full performance reports/etc. The way blogs act you'd think Macs have as much dominance in the PC market as iPods do in the portable music player one.
If Dell or Sony or Asus release a new laptop with a minor spec increase nobody in the "blogosphere" cares. And why would they?
Equally there was a massive point made about GTA IV in the media selling loads. Well a quick Google later and Mario Kart Wii is currently 5.5 million copies ahead.
Symbian is unlikely to die. On a worldwide scale it's far too massive and runs on so many different (and cheap!) devices.
That's not to say the blog don't have a point - it can most certainly be brought down to a minor player in the western high-end smartphone market if they don't start improving things. And by things I mean the UI/UX.
As an example to update an application through Ovi Store you have to:
1. Realise there is infact an update (or perhaps the application will be nice and tell you inside the app).
2. Uninstall
3. Potentially restart
4. Go into the Ovi Store and download again
5. Potentially restart
6. DoneApp Store:
You get notified, click a button, enter in your password, done.
If Nokia got it through their head that it's nothing to do with functionality, but how you use and interact with that functionality, Symbian would be much better off in mindshare.
Great point mate
Well there are very good reasons why people are criticising Nokia and Symbian. I will list the points which apply to me and I have found to be valid. You could of course disagree with me.
(I am currently using the N97 Mini, using software version 12.0.110, the very latest)
1. Symbian^1 is great as a lightweight OS, but not really suited for touchscreen, when one has loads of applications installed, browsing through the sluggish Applications folder is a pain. In short, vertical browsing is next to impossible, without accidentally ending up opening the wrong apps in the process.
2. The Application Manager is way too slow. If one has more than say 30-40 apps, it becomes almost unusable, the recent software update has reduced its crashing but its still just as slow. (And if you ask me why I should install so many apps, I would argue that its a smartphone with an 8GB internal memory, am I not supposed to fill that up? If I'm not, then I guess Nokia is misleading people.) I have resorted to a batch installer to uninstall softwares, and even that kind of sucks, but at least its fast when it works.
3. The RAM is insufficient for even normal use. Symbian is built for multitasking, whats the use of it then, if the processor and RAM are just not upto the mark to handle such a high efficiency OS?
4. And should I start talking about the Ovi Store? 😊 Oh well, lets just say Nokia doesnt have a proper app distribution method. No well known app developers are venturing into the Ovi market. Eg. Twitter doesnt have any official app for Ovi, I could name many more, but maybe a browse through iTunes would save me the hard work. Infact everytime I see a new app advert anywhere I'm pretty sure that its for the iPhone or Android. (Comparing the Ovi store to the Apple App Store is nothing but a joke)
5. Nokia's obsession with resistive touch is irritating. Thank god it has finally embraced capacitative touch, something it should have done with the original N97.
6. Nokia's phones (especially symbian ones) stand no chance against the likes of the iPhone. Lets not even get into details. Processor speed, RAM, touch screen quality, multitouch, gyroscope are revolutionary enough for starters. Detailed analysis is unnecessary.
Symbian being open source and all is great (I use Linux on my PC and have a blog dedicated to a Linux distro, I do appreciate the values of open source) but frankly that should show in the app development process and number of apps. Finally it all boils down to insufficiently powered devices, unless the devices are properly powered, how can a developer come up with powerful apps?
Anyway, Nokia will be pretty much giving up on Symbian, which is kind of sad, since I loved Symbian in older devices like N70 and N73. But looking at the giant failure of Symbian^1 to stand out, I cant blame them, at all. So, has it really become "fashionable" to blame Symbian and Nokia? I dont know, if speaking out against poor devices is fashionable, well then maybe yes. After all people are seeing powerful devices being released almost everyday.
When reading Internet blogs, forum comments and and smart review websites where commentators are making their opinions negatively on Nokia and Symbian it is useful to remember who the commentators are.
They are nobodies.
Any halfwit can set up a blog site and comment on a forum and evidently they frequently do.
It is rare for anyone with genuine influence and inside knowledge to get involved.
EVERYTHING on the web comes with the regulation sized pinch of salt.
Read it for entertainment only, but every "Symbian is dead" post such be ignored for the waste of space that it and the author obviously are.
^^its the nobodies are the ones who make or break a phone/OS. the iphone has millions of users most of whom are yea, nobodies.
Unregistered wrote:^^its the nobodies are the ones who make or break a phone/OS. the iphone has millions of users most of whom are yea, nobodies.
How many of these iPhone users are on the board of Nokia then?
Thanks for proving the point.
Is a customer and a fan a detractor / outsider? Sure, you can't listen to everybody but sometimes it is important to take an objective look at yourself. Besides if your longterm vision is perfect, why are you loosing market share every year for that last few years?
I am a Nokia user and a Symbian developer. I have been a user for many years and own many of the N series phones. So from this perspective, not only am I giving money to Nokia but I also carry the potential to improve the platform/product for them.
But even I feel that Nokia does have to improve its game to stay competitive. For me the biggest issues are:
Poor communication with the developer community
For instance: many developers in the Python forum have been asking for the future direction of the product and maybe a hint of a roadmap. Have we seen an answer: No. Whoever is in charge of the product does not even bother to acknowledge a question. There is no dialog with the community, there is no communication whatsoever. So is this the right way to run an open source project?
Many of us fear that the project is dead, but instead of confirming or denying it, Nokia chooses to be silent. Why? I have multiple apps ready to go into OVI store if they only fixed a few MAJOR bugs in their runtime that have been reported over a year ago. If I would treat my customers like that I would deserve to be fired!
Support for current hardware
I like my N97. In my opinion this phone is still the "flagship" phone. Nokia is pushing QT hard, but did they bother to figure out a way to put the QT runtime on it without eating up all of C drive space? No. So how do they expect me to adopt a new technology that is vital to their future plans? Yes of course I could buy a N97 mini, but what about my potential customers? Will they have to buy new phones too? How long will it take QT to penetrate the market to be viable target for commercial apps?
In addition developing software takes a long time and ideally we would like to get started before the technology ships to consumers...
Hardware Developer Support
The discounted devices program is a joke. It's slow to ship the phones and they only offer Euro variants. Why would I buy a European phone if my market is elsewhere? You really want me to test my latest connected app on a phone that can only communicate data using GPRS in my target market? Besides, by the time the phone arrives here in America I can usually buy the phone cheaper through a retail channel.
To give you an example; I ordered a test phone last June. The shipping disclaimer said it will take a few months to ship because... get this: it's Summer time and we are understaffed. WTF? How can you do business like that? With that attitude you deserve to be beaten by your rivals. Why the heck would you even run an operation like that yourself?
Outsource it to a company that specializes in shipping and fulfillment. A company that either has a global presence or could fulfill and order worldwide in a week, tops.
North America
Nokia is competing globally against Apple and Google. Times have changed however. Even though North America is a separate market, it has the ability to influence the whole world. Apple has proven it already.
Nokia has to fight back here in North America or they are running a risk of loosing the rest of the world piece by piece. Even though they don't have ANY market share here, they are embroiled in a battle of public opinion and they are loosing big. The downside is that the opinion DOES trickle down to the rest of the world or otherwise a Nokia VP would not have bothered to respond to a blog shutting down.
There are many more stupid little issues like that, that have a very negative cumulative effect. But whats the point of speaking up if nobody listens 😉
raf
Arnab Das wrote:
1. Symbian^1 is great as a lightweight OS, but not really suited for touchscreen, when one has loads of applications installed, browsing through the sluggish Applications folder is a pain. In short, vertical browsing is next to impossible, without accidentally ending up opening the wrong apps in the process.Vertical browsing is actually quite simple, and nowhere near impossible.
However, it is well established that Symbian^1 was a first attempt to adapt and is not totally successful. That was established months and months ago and is not big news.
However, millions use it quite happily
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2. The Application Manager is way too slow. If one has more than say 30-40 apps, it becomes almost unusable, the recent software update has reduced its crashing but its still just as slow. (And if you ask me why I should install so many apps, I would argue that its a smartphone with an 8GB internal memory, am I not supposed to fill that up? If I'm not, then I guess Nokia is misleading people.) I have resorted to a batch installer to uninstall softwares, and even that kind of sucks, but at least its fast when it works.
I have this many apps on a 5800, and I don't get the same experience with slowdown that you do. However, it could be suggested that 8GB is not for apps, but for data, video, music, photographs.
Arnab Das wrote:
3. The RAM is insufficient for even normal use. Symbian is built for multitasking, whats the use of it then, if the processor and RAM are just not upto the mark to handle such a high efficiency OS?
A hardware problem, not a Symbian one. I don't suffer with RAM because my usage habits are different than many, however I accept that it is agreed that Nokia spec'd insufficent RAM on N97.
Arnab Das wrote:
4. And should I start talking about the Ovi Store? 😊 Oh well, lets just say Nokia doesnt have a proper app distribution method. No well known app developers are venturing into the Ovi market. Eg. Twitter doesnt have any official app for Ovi, I could name many more, but maybe a browse through iTunes would save me the hard work. Infact everytime I see a new app advert anywhere I'm pretty sure that its for the iPhone or Android. (Comparing the Ovi store to the Apple App Store is nothing but a joke)
Ovi store is OK, nowhere near as good as Apple App store, but it does the job. But Nokia apps can come from many sources, I am not constrained to one controlling interest.
Arnab Das wrote:
5. Nokia's obsession with resistive touch is irritating. Thank god it has finally embraced capacitative touch, something it should have done with the original N97.
The use of resistive screens by Nokia has been with good reason and has been explained too many times for me to have to explain it all again. I expect Nokia to maintain both resistive and touch phones.
Arnab Das wrote:
6. Nokia's phones (especially symbian ones) stand no chance against the likes of the iPhone. Lets not even get into details. Processor speed, RAM, touch screen quality, multitouch, gyroscope are revolutionary enough for starters. Detailed analysis is unnecessary.
That's just crap. Nokia phones are still outselling the others. Stand no chance? I don't need a gyroscope, I DISLIKE multitouch, and I don't want to pay extra for them. Normal humans are not impressed by geeky spec numbers like processor speeds.
And my iPhone 3G, which is the same vintage as N97, is irritatingly slow.
Arnab Das wrote:
Anyway, Nokia will be pretty much giving up on Symbian, which is kind of sad, .
Source please? Where did you get this kind of inside information, surely Nokia would be pissed at you for revealing their future strategic plans?
Or are you just guessing that the world's most popular phone OS is going to be suddenly dropped?
What stands out to me is:
1. Many of the things that Nokia are critisised for are also things that others could be critisised for, but it's OK for Apple to screw up.
2. Nokia never get the credit for the many things that Nokia do well - the really important stuff like signal strength, call quality, robustness, battery life, value for money, free navigation with nav software where you can actually see the maps.
I think with the recent leak of N9, which is being shown on various tech shown on tele, its pretty certain that Nokia is going for something other than symbian for its high end devices. Thats pretty much dumping symbian (which is I repeat sad, because in my opinion the only reason symbian is being misused is because of Nokia's obsession with dated hardware, compare that to the latest devices' hardware specs), for power users on high end phones.
Source? Well if you browse the web, you will find plenty of sources. These are the two that immediatel came up on google search:
http://moconews.net/article/419-nokia-dumping-symbian-for-meego-on-future-n-series-devices/
Symbian on Nokia is fine.
But not great.
For a majority of users.
I like it which is why I use it and come here.
However....
I do enjoy the ease of application availability with Apple and Android.
Symbian reminds me of a worldly WinBlows Mobile which I also happen to like and have developed for.
I personally purchase a phone based on a specific set of requirements.
I'm the exception.
I and others like me cannot keep Symbian and Nokia from falling behind.
When my personal critical threshold of availability and support falls below the magic point - something that has already occurred for prominent Symbian/Nokia advocates - I'm done.
Almost there in fact.
A new phone purchase coming up.
Reality.
Arnab Das wrote:I think with the recent leak of N9, which is being shown on various tech shown on tele, its pretty certain that Nokia is going for something other than symbian for its high end devices. Thats pretty much dumping symbian (which is I repeat sad, because in my opinion the only reason symbian is being misused is because of Nokia's obsession with dated hardware, compare that to the latest devices' hardware specs), for power users on high end phones.Source? Well if you browse the web, you will find plenty of sources. These are the two that immediatel came up on google search:
http://moconews.net/article/419-nokia-dumping-symbian-for-meego-on-future-n-series-devices/
It's some big jump from Nokia making an N9 with Meego on it to "dumping Symbian". Is Meego going to be the OS on C, X, and E series? If not then what is?
I've already seen the leaked N9 and it appears not to be a mainstream device, but a higher spec'd connected portable computer and in a market space above iPhone and the most powerful Android devices. Is Nokia going to dump their ranges that sell in their millions?
You still haven't given me a credible source to show that Nokia is dumping Symbian. They've introduced Meego and juggled their naming convention.
Dreamer. Dream on.
SlowCar wrote:What stands out to me is:1. Many of the things that Nokia are critisised for are also things that others could be critisised for, but it's OK for Apple to screw up.
2. Nokia never get the credit for the many things that Nokia do well - the really important stuff like signal strength, call quality, robustness, battery life, value for money, free navigation with nav software where you can actually see the maps.
That is because the kind of people that roll up to whinge about Nokia and this sort of thing are the most negative kind. Tedious spec-combers that frequently are so obsessed with minutae that they miss the big picture.
Okay, so here's a credible source:
Times of India, one of the most respected newspapers in India.
I quote from the report: "As Nokia recently said that N8 is its last Symbian based N-Series handset and that all future N-Series phones would run on its new MeeGo operating system. N8 will run on the latest version of Symbian OS, Symbian3. "
Arnab Das wrote:I think with the recent leak of N9, which is being shown on various tech shown on tele, its pretty certain that Nokia is going for something other than symbian for its high end devices.
You mean the leaked "N9" pictures that show it running Symbian!!
http://thenokiablog.com/2010/06/25/nokia-n9-n8-01-leaked/
LOL!
It's very naieve to believe what you read and see on the web.
Arnab Das wrote:Okay, so here's a credible source:Times of India, one of the most respected newspapers in India.
I quote from the report: "As Nokia recently said that N8 is its last Symbian based N-Series handset and that all future N-Series phones would run on its new MeeGo operating system. N8 will run on the latest version of Symbian OS, Symbian3. "
We know all that, that is not news to anyone. N Series is Meego after N8, last months news.
Where is the source that states that Nokia is dumping symbian?
Where is the source that shows that Nokia will not be using Symbian on their mass market X, C and E series phones?
Where is the source that shows that Nokia will not be selling millions of Symbian phones?
Can I write it any other way so that it is easy for you to understand?
Quote from the NokiaBlog N9 leak that Arnab Das chose not to include in the links in this discussion:
"arnab_das 6 days ago
If this thing is real, its a real shame that its running symbian. symbian should have been ditched by nokia years back. but they stuck with it till the point came when people started to switch platforms. the damage has been done, and if nokia still persists with its dated attitude about users and the user experience, even this n9 or n8-01 or whatever its gonna be called is doomed. "
He knows it's running Symbian, being an awkward twat.
Unfortunately there is no guarantee that Meego will be any better if Nokia handle it the same way they handled Symbian. Why should it be? Being linux based and not Epoc32 based is not a reason for success, if Nokia screw up Meego then what's the difference?
With the right developers behind it, Symbian is as good as any. It's not Symbian that's the problem it's the way Nokia has handled it whilst they were custodian.
Nokia doesn't make smartphones because you don't find books about Nokia phones in a book store. What you find are lots of books about iPhone and some on Android, and there used to be books about WinMo.
Nokia doesn't make smartphones because you never see a magazine that tells people about how to make you Nokia smartphone do the computery things that a smartphone can do. You see lots of magazines telling you how to do smartphone things for WinMo and iPhone.
Perception is everything.
Okey dokey, got ur point.
Look, the N series has been nokia's sort of "flagship class" and has had the most expensive phones in nokia's bouquet. eg. N95, N97, N900, etc. Sure you might argue that the E-series is just as good, but the E-series isnt really Nokia's flagship category, they're making it now (seeing loads of E-series ads on newspapers now) though.
Now usually, the most expensive phone is generally considered to be a representation of the best technology the company can implement. Same goes for Apple, same goes for Motorola, SE, HTC etc. So if Nokia is going for something other than Symbian in its lets say "expensive" category, it is a representation of the fact that the company thinks that there are better options. Hence, my assumption. Thousands of sites are (okay) speculating that nokia wont be using symbian on its high end devices anymore, I think it would be safe to assume that, that some of that might actually be true. surely so many sites cant be wrong and cant be reporting stupid info without actually having some sort of source.
Bruhaha wrote:Quote from the NokiaBlog N9 leak that Arnab Das chose not to include in the links in this discussion:"arnab_das 6 days ago
If this thing is real, its a real shame that its running symbian. symbian should have been ditched by nokia years back. but they stuck with it till the point came when people started to switch platforms. the damage has been done, and if nokia still persists with its dated attitude about users and the user experience, even this n9 or n8-01 or whatever its gonna be called is doomed. "
He knows it's running Symbian, being an awkward twat.
Unfortunately there is no guarantee that Meego will be any better if Nokia handle it the same way they handled Symbian. Why should it be? Being linux based and not Epoc32 based is not a reason for success, if Nokia screw up Meego then what's the difference?
With the right developers behind it, Symbian is as good as any. It's not Symbian that's the problem it's the way Nokia has handled it whilst they were custodian.
Thanks for calling me a twat. I expect nothing more from devoted Nokia fans.
I have mentioned that the problem isnt symbian, its pretty evident that you havent read my earlier comments.
raf1hh wrote:whats the point of speaking up if nobody listens 😉
Dear, I agree with most of your points http://nitishkumar.net/2010/07/02/symbian-or-meego-whats-been-wrong-with-nokia-and-what-should-be-done/
But not this that Nokia doesn't listen. Do you think Apple listens?
UnInterested wrote: I've already seen the leaked N9 and it appears not to be a mainstream device, but a higher spec'd connected portable computer and in a market space above iPhone and the most powerful Android devices. Is Nokia going to dump their ranges that sell in their millions?
Well!! for alleged Nokia N9, these are my words.. which explain most
http://nitishkumar.net/2010/07/04/laymans-take-on-possibly-nokia-n9/
Richard_Bloor wrote:...The danger in the current situation is that Nokia and, as its biggest supporter, Symbian loose their way, not because of weak technology but because they become reactive and driven by their detractors. A leader who allows themselves to be driven by a threat communicated by outsiders, is not likely to be a leader for long.Nokia should not waste its time trying to answer its detractors, as they will always be there, rather it should concentrate on building on success and communicating that success loud and clear.
Take a look at my Signature Strip, which I just realise I have not recently updated to list my current phone of use, an HTC Desire. I don't think Nokia Supporters come much stronger than me, or at least 'didn't'.
I've had an HTC Desire Android phone for over a month now. And after using it, have no plans to move back to Symbian, possibly not even for the N8, which is probably the best Nokia to be made in a while. (The fact that it should have been the Flagship piece of Hardware crippled junk that the N97 was maybe tell loads about Nokia's current position though...)
I think this, and many examples and peoples like me, are the reason your whole ethos, and reasoning in your entire thread, is so flawed.
The war is not being lost to the Detractors, the battle is not being lost to the "uninformed" who didn't even KNOW Nokia made smartphones.
Your tactics are terrible...
The battle is being fought, and LOST, amongst those who cherished Nokia the MOST perhaps, in the past, and indeed arguably, those who used Nokias most, valued them most etc... people like me, the Joe Public user, or Ricky Cadden, the once Symbian-Guru, but no more... This is why Nokia IS dying, unless they do something radically fundamental about it. And even then, will it be enough to bring those back, that have already left, as if it's not, then they have still lost the War for good.
But please don't say Nokia don't need to do anything...
Otherwise they will keep haemorrhaging users to Android, and maybe even iOS. Overall though, it shows how fundamentally flawed your piece is though...
But maybe that's Nokia's failing with all this too. Not understanding the problem.
Certainly, I believe this is MAJOR to the problem now, as I know for certain fact that LOADS left the Symbian Platform, after the "Flagship" fiasco of the N97, with it's massively limited hardware/RAM etc. To drive such a nail into your OWN coffin, at such a key time, just shows how utterly confused Nokia are at the top.
To save a few pennies on the amount of free user RAM on the N97, and save on a Capacitive Screen, despite this being its Flagship model, ultimately turned into a far far more costly decision in the long run, when so many left the platform.
Ney, Nokia not only have MASSIVE hurdles to overcome, it's now questionable whether it will come too late anyway.
For your article to arrogantly say things like Palm were meant to wipe out Symbian, as was Windows Mobile, just shows how ill-thought out your thoughts are... We are not now talking about an unknown commodity such as Palm, or even the new Windows Mobile platform as we were of old...
We are talking about rock solid platforms such as Android and iOS, that every man and his dog, plus his pet goldfish, knows are not only NOT going to go away as did Palm, but are actually pulling customers over to them, over hand and fist.
So to put it into the context of "been here before already with WInMo and Palm", is just incredible. If your telling me you think Android and iOS will go the way of Plam and the older WinMo, you haven't a clue *lol*
Notwithstanding that whilst I do not like ANYTHING I am hearing about the forthcoming whole new Windows Mobile 7, nevertheless, I still see it taking SOME Market Share from Symbian, even if in only small numbers.
And as small numbers are not something Nokia can additionally afford at a time they are losing users RAPIDLY to Android and iOS, then that makes even WinMo7 a significant issue and ill-wanted diversion for Nokia too.
So trust me, or better yet, people like Ricky Cadden etc, when we say it...
Nokia really DO have a problem...
And it's a BIG one at that.
This article got me thinking. How come Nokia isn't that hip phonemaker that everyone wants to buy from.
Think back to the old days that people were drooling over owning a 3210 (and later a 3310) with that great addictive game snake on it. If you didn't have a Nokia back then you were stupid.
Of course the phone business was something completly different back then but still, it was a similar situation we have now. Apple took great advantage of the growing (smart)phone market and got on the train at the right time, when hardware capabilities became a lot better.
My point here is; Nokia is associated with the past, with phones that were succesfull about a decade ago. So the people who buy smartphones today aren't ussually the very young who haven't seen Nokia back then but are more people of age so to speak.
These people still see Nokia as a phonemaker that did enormously well a decade ago, but got a little bit too comfortable with that succes and just missed the boat a couple of years back.
And besides, is there any company that has been the top of its class for decades in a row (leaving Microsoft aside)?
Nokia soared to hreat hights a decade ago, but they are on a low right now. Nevertheless, there will be a time that they can become more important but I doubt that will be in the next few years.
Nokia builds Symbian based smartphones that thrill and please their users
I bought a N79, my first Nokia phone and my first Symbian phone, thinking I was buying into a powerful, capable smartphone platform. The reality? It's buggy, it's slow and while the feature list is nice, it would be even nicer if the features worked properly. Oh how people sneered at the iPhone that was released without a copy/paste function. Excuse me, can anyone show me how I copy text from a web page on my N79? Er no, because it can't.
Until I can justify the cost of an iPhone, I'll tolerate my Symbian based smartphone - but it will never thrill or even please me.
Unregistered wrote:Dear, I agree with most of your points http://nitishkumar.net/2010/07/02/symbian-or-meego-whats-been-wrong-with-nokia-and-what-should-be-done/But not this that Nokia doesn't listen. Do you think Apple listens?
I think Apple is a despicable company but I do have to admire what they have achieved in the last 15 years from a business point of view.