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Is PR more important than specs for the smartphone ecosystem?

35 replies · 12,158 views · Started 13 July 2010

alweekes wrote:PR is important, but only of any value when you have the end user experience to back it up and support it.

There's a reason Apple are sitting on some $25 billion of cash reserves, despite sales volumes much lower than the likes of Nokia. Anyone that says either PR or device UI aren't important, they need to rethink that stance, or continue to bury their heads in the sand.

Yes Nokia still sell loads of 'smart' phones, but they are heavily promoted through the networks, and relative to their capabilities, low cost. They are in a different market space at present to Apple and the high end Android devices and that's an important thing to realise. They may have a sustainable business in this area, but the only way to get the sort of money that Apple seems capable of amassing is to increase those margins considerably and that means increased cost to the end user, which means the reason for spending that extra money has to be utterly compelling.

I'm no Apple fan, but I can really appreciate what they do well, which is to make high technology items utterly simple and intuitive to use. I had a play with an iPad at the weekend and whilst I still came away from that with no desire to have one in *my* life, it was fascinating to see anyone, from small children, to elderly grandparents, pick it up and use it without any apparent thought. You just touch it, and things happen that make sense. For consumer with high disposable income that's the way to gain sales. They're not geeks and aren't prepared to invest time and effort into careful optimising the device or using workarounds to make the device work for them.

There isn't a single Nokia / Symbian device that brings that user experience at present.

Apple and the other newcomers to the smartphone market are spreading through the passionate and enthusiastic proselytizing of their user base and the tech press. It's this element that Nokia are missing out on at present; there's nothing 'impressive' to show people, the slick UI and the ease of use that's present on other devices is absent from current Nokia range. The upcoming Nokia N8 looks interesting and obviously has an awesome camera, something Nokia are putting a big spotlight on, but how many many end users will care? Many of the curent high end devices don't have cameras as good as even 3yr old Nokia's, but has that stopped their sales growth? No.

The great engineers at Nokia need to realise that it's not the specs that sell the product, it's the user experience as a whole. This lack of holistic approach is the root cause of the problem, in my view. Couple Nokia's prodigious hardware talent with some better end-user experience and I see no reason why they can't reclaim this ground.

There's an old adage in engineering that's as true now as it ever was: -

"A system is only as good as its weakest link"

Those weak links are what Nokia needs to concentrate on. A great camera won't overcome a lack of RAM / poor UI / buggy software / an app store that doesn't work etc. etc.

When it takes 9 button clicks on my Nokia phone to perform an operation that I *don't even have to do* on my Milestone (changing screen brightness for anyone interested), the problem becomes painfully apparent. The Milestone has an ambient light sensor that works properly and so the need to adjust manually is totally eliminated. My Nokia has a sensor too, but it the software behind it doesn't work properly, so manual intervention is required.

It's why I think the recent article on here about UI was both interesting and disingenuous at the same time.

I agree that little has changed in UI over the years (Palm Pre being the only obvious exception to this, although the old themes are still present , even there), but this is a very simple view of UI.

UI *is* the experience the end user has, more than it is about how things look or are laid out. So yes, all we need to do is fix the current UI, but that UI is wrong, simply because it doesn't work with the user, so many times it works against them.

I'm sure the example above seems utterly unimportant to many here, but I use it as an illustration, it's just one of many similar annoyances, that, by themselves, aren't a big deal. The problem comes that there's so many 'little' things wrong, that it adds up to a whole that just leaves me and most of the tech press cold.

So yes, PR is important, but the only way that will work in my view is to get that passion and enthusiasm in the user base, such that the best sales tactic of all, that of personal recommendation, works once again.

Andy Weekes.

i agree thats kind of what i meant, its not so much the eye candy.

Swop the sim on your E71 and see how many times you have to set up a new connection, apps---communications---email--settings--general--scroll to service info--access point change. repeat for internet, ovi maps, google maps, ebuddy etc. This of course after you've gone through tools..connection..packet data blah blah blah, do i sound petty? maybe i don't have to do that with an android.

gadget freak wrote:i agree thats kind of what i meant, its not so much the eye candy.

Swop the sim on your E71 and see how many times you have to set up a new connection, apps---communications---email--settings--general--scroll to service info--access point change. repeat for internet, ovi maps, google maps, ebuddy etc. This of course after you've gone through tools..connection..packet data blah blah blah, do i sound petty? maybe i don't have to do that with an android.

This won't solve all issues, but there's a free app that's poorly promoted by Nokia called Smart Connect that solves many annoying connection dialogs and setup by grouping access points, providing ap priority (connect to wifi b4 3g), and even intelligent switching. There's also an option to make the group default and turn off dialogs where possible, avoiding stupid questions. Accuweather stopped asking me which ap to connect now. This is a great solution for s60v3 devices, and was the final piece that help turn my N95 into the best smartphone ever. The catch - it doesn't support SIP.

-Gene

Rafe wrote:Gene

Just to reply in brief. I agree about the potential of S60 3rd - or rather the importance of keeping non-touch device going (I'm a happy E72 user after all)... but touchscreens mean Symbian^1 or greater. There are plenty of cheap touchsreen devices (Nokia 5230). Nokia will want to continue that. Or put another way that touch is such a major thing, across all market segments, that Symbian has to address it in a meaningful way.

It also worth bearing in mind that a lot of the technologies (and costs) involved in developing Symbian^3 are for lower level stuff (e.g. new graphics architecture), which is necessary for Symbian^4 and beyond. The UI changes, as we all know, are relatively minor and were not the major development effort on Symbian^3 (the opposite is true on Symbian^4).

The Offscreen example I mentioned is cross platform between Maemo and Symbian^1 (S60 5th Edition). S60 3rd Edition is not there yet, but will be... though honestly I expect to see less cross over here given the respective screen technologies. Different install packages aren't ideal I agree, but with the proper backends this is hidden from users anyway (e.g. downloading from Ovi Store).

And yes I largely agree with you on the write once, run anywhere thing. I think though that a hybrid approach is a very real possibility... i.e. use Qt as a common denominator and optimise for the UI on each platform / device. Interesting with Qt there is potential for writing this UI in a common way (Qt Quick, Qt UI frameworks on respective platforms etc.).

When I say "half-ass", in no way do I mean your remark is as such, so I hope you don't take offense to it. But that of using a unifying UI library idea has been great disappointments in the past. I do appreciate dev efforts to reduce and simplify technology, but having bridges like Qt really feel like they reduce or completely bury the value that each platform has to offer and make resulting products basic and not compelling.

-Gene

PR is important but as Richard L put it:

Richard L wrote:ultimately, consumers are smarter than ever right now and no product will long survive fundamental flaws, however good its PR.

And then go the other amazingly spot-on, sensible comments in this thread:

Richard L wrote:The UI is the single most important part of any product - phone, washing machine, car, breakfast cereal. If the user interface/experience is poor (as it absolutely, undoubtedly, definitively is for the various flavours of Symbian at present) then the product is poor. Period.

talhamid wrote:Somehow, you stop caring about FM Transmitters and TV Outs when you are trying to type a text and the keypad is not responding, or open two web pages and the phone slows down to a crawl..

Exactly. People will not use features that are slow or awkward to use.
If you offered everyone in the world a personal jet and an extremely comfortable car and told them they will have to use one every day, what do you think would be the choice of the majority? I think most people would choose the car as learning to fly a plane takes way too much time. Of course it has better "features" but using it requires a lot of preparation and you can only land in certain places. It would surely be a difficult thing to use a plane to do your everyday shopping;] "Making product better often requires removing features". Nokia should be aware of that and focus on making core ones work absolutely FLAWLESSLY.

alweekes wrote:PR is important, but only of any value when you have the end user experience to back it up and support it.

Did the fact that the Web was full of enthusiasm (good PR) for upcoming N97 make it a better product? No. It simply did not endure reality. People do not hate it because someone decided to tarnish it. IT IS a bad product. No amount of PR is enough to convince people that it is not.

alweekes wrote:There's a reason Apple are sitting on some $25 billion of cash reserves, despite sales volumes much lower than the likes of Nokia. Anyone that says either PR or device UI aren't important, they need to rethink that stance, or continue to bury their heads in the sand.

pick it up and use it without any apparent thought. They're not geeks and aren't prepared to invest time and effort into careful optimising the device or using workarounds to make the device work for them.
There isn't a single Nokia / Symbian device that brings that user experience at present.

there's nothing 'impressive' to show people, the slick UI and the ease of use that's present on other devices is absent from current Nokia range. The upcoming Nokia N8 looks interesting and obviously has an awesome camera, something Nokia are putting a big spotlight on, but how many many end users will care?

The great engineers at Nokia need to realise that it's not the specs that sell the product, it's the user experience as a whole. This lack of holistic approach is the root cause of the problem, in my view.

"A system is only as good as its weakest link"
Those weak links are what Nokia needs to concentrate on. A great camera won't overcome a lack of RAM / poor UI / buggy software / an app store that doesn't work etc. etc.

UI *is* the experience the end user has, more than it is about how things look or are laid out. So yes, all we need to do is fix the current UI, but that UI is wrong, simply because it doesn't work with the user, so many times it works against them.

Nokia died to me when they lied to their userbase about Ngage 2.0 using the graphic processors in the cellphones.

If they can lie about these little things (and make me buy their phone based on such promise), then I don't think I can trust anything at all that they say.

What does " cool " in the quoted text refer to?Finns' cool name? They are cool (personality) or something else?