Phone2Phone Connectivity

The same with my friends Nokia 5100, i can only send contacts, but no pictures or ringtones. The transfer starts on mine then it say "failed". Stupid...

I am sure this is no bug or error.. Nokia must have done this deliberately in order not to allow exchanging wallpapers and ringtones, thus crippling their own phones! It is a real shame, but i guess it is a great opportunity for third party developers to make software around this! See also the topic about not allowing to send polyphonic tones from the phone via mms.

[quote="petran"]I am sure this is no bug or error.. Nokia must have done this deliberately in order not to allow exchanging wallpapers and ringtones, thus crippling their own phones! It is a real shame, but i guess it is a great opportunity for third party developers to make software around this! See also the topic about not allowing to send polyphonic tones from the phone via mms.[/quote]

I know that. All I want to know is if such software exists.

[quote="deathmonger"]My room-mate has a 7210 and there's no way I can send him ANYTHING via IRDA. Does anyone know why?

Note:It does connect but the 7210 REJECTS the transfer. 😞[/quote]

same 😞

😞 whats the point of having the universal connectivity of bluetooth when you can't even commnicate with a nokia 6310i, t68i, etc, etc. This is a really big downer and should be fixed in newer versions of firmware. I want to able to search devices and send messages to other bluetooth devices on the same room, bus, train carriage or even waiting room, should i choose. Its a really crappy thing that this isn't possible to do, other than to other 7650s.

It is quite obvious. If you can't send sth through irda or bluetooth then you will send it though mms/sms or e-mail and make operators richer. And about midi ringtones you cannot send them through mms because midi is not on the specifications of mms. But i am sure nokia will surpass this limitation just like it has done with 3gp video and add it as a feature on... Their upcoming new phones only. They call it marketing, i call it customer screwing and ripping...

[quote="MEMPHISX"]...And about midi ringtones you cannot send them through mms because midi is not on the specifications of mms. But i am sure nokia will surpass this limitation just like it has done with 3gp video and add it as a feature on... Their upcoming new phones only. They call it marketing, i call it customer screwing and ripping...[/quote]I believe you are VERY wrong about this! MIDI is in the mms specifications! How do you think the polyphonic ringtone companies send you the the tones if not via mms? It's just that Nokia decided not to allow sending them from the phone, just like they did with monophonic ringtones a while ago, starting with the 3330 I think.
If someone overcomes this limitation, don't expect it to be Nokia! They were the ones that set it!! And it was not them that included 3gp/mp4 video support in mms, it was Hantro, remember? Hantro's software does this, not the series60!! Look at the "About" box of "Nokia's" video recorder!!!

I hope third party developers/companies can do something about it, but I wonder why we haven't heard of them here yet!

If you study a little the specifications of the mms you will see that you can only send images text and sound not bigger than 30kb in size and the sound can only be amr or the standard ems ringtones. Nokia on the other side was the first company to surpass the 30kb limit but that was not a big problem because technically you can send whatever you want through mms as long as it's size is lower than the maximum the operator support and most of the times it is about 100kb. Yes hantro was the one to create the camcorder (licensed by many operators like t mobile,vodafone and lastly by nokia). But the video app from hantro is sending the video file by itself not with the standard nokia message program. So using a 3rd party program u can do it, but there is no such program out yet. And midi ringtones can also be sent through multiple sms not only mms.

To my understanding, there are no fixed mms specifications as far as content type is concerned, which is in a way similar to attaching files to an email but in our case the "email client" needs to know the content type before it attaches it. So manufacturers actually choose to support some formats (image, sound etc). Nokia phones do support MIDI, as you can see in these example links (which I found with a simple google search): 3510, 6100.
This is even clearer at the MMSContent site, from where you can actually send MIDI files via MMS! I hope the above links make it clear enought, as I did not have enough time to find official documents about this.

About Hantro, that was my point exactly: Nokia did not add support for video files in mms, it was done with a third party program. On the contrary, Nokia does support receiving MIDIs in MMS, but not sending them! That's exactly what Nokia did with simple ringtones a while ago, just to "protect" copyrights! And to come back to the initial topic, that's what's it is doing with IR sending now, too, I guess!

I am sure third party developers can overcome all those stupid limitations, both in IR and MMS sending, but why haven't we seen any such software yet??? I was hoping for an answer from some of them here...

I am sure third party developers can overcome all those stupid limitations, both in IR and MMS sending, but why haven't we seen any such software yet??? I was hoping for an answer from some of them here...[/quote]

That's it! Come one dev's, let's do some coding 😊

[quote="petran"]To my understanding, there are no fixed mms specifications as far as content type is concerned, which is in a way similar to attaching files to an email but in our case the "email client" needs to know the content type before it attaches it. So manufacturers actually choose to support some formats (image, sound etc). Nokia phones do support MIDI, as you can see in these example links (which I found with a simple google search): 3510, 6100.
This is even clearer at the MMSContent site, from where you can actually send MIDI files via MMS! I hope the above links make it clear enought, as I did not have enough time to find official documents about this.

About Hantro, that was my point exactly: Nokia did not add support for video files in mms, it was done with a third party program. On the contrary, Nokia does support receiving MIDIs in MMS, but not sending them! That's exactly what Nokia did with simple ringtones a while ago, just to "protect" copyrights! And to come back to the initial topic, that's what's it is doing with IR sending now, too, I guess!

I am sure third party developers can overcome all those stupid limitations, both in IR and MMS sending, but why haven't we seen any such software yet??? I was hoping for an answer from some of them here...[/quote]

Actually the limitations were set for compatibility with other phones.
But mms actually works like e-mails. you can send whatever you want as long as your mail program has no limitations and also goes the same for the recipients program. The only real limitation is set by the operators and is the max size which most of the times is about 100kb but even this can be bypassed the same way it was bypassed with sms. Multiple messages... If we wait a little we will see such apps. After all Symbian is very open. U are not only on Nokia...