Remove DRM?

What's DRM? Forgive the ignorance.

DRM = Digital Rights Management.

Good to know... but then the question begs.... It does what? Thanks.

The intent behind DRM is to ensure that content created/owned by someone is only used in a fashion permitted by the creator/owner.

In the case of mobile phones, the details can be found by reading the documents "OMA Digital Rights Management version 1.0" and "OMA Download version 1.0" on the OMA (Open Mobile Alliance) site.

There are multiple levels of this and only partial implementations available yet. In practical terms it means that there are types of content that the phone does not allow you to forward (the so called forward-lock level of implementation). In any case, more in the docs above, if interested.

but how do u get rid of this useless sh*t. i dont want my "content" managed by some idiotic "content" company. I dont want my own phone that cost me a fortune telling me what i can and cant do just because some dumb "content" company said so.
Its my phone and i should be able to do what i like with it. it shouldnt take orders from some "content" company.

anyone know how to get past the forward lock thing? how do u crack these apps with a PC?

flashed firmware???

@towel410: As much as I don't like DRM,I don't think that this is the proper place to discuss processes that might bypass those restriction like tampering/cracking apps/software/firmware which is illegal.

If you want to continue this discussion in its legal boundaries I will move it to the community waffle forum,otherwise,I will be forced to lock or maybe delete the topic.

but how does it eeffect u and why do u want to by pass it?

as i said before, i dont want to have my content "Managed" by some "content" company and after they sent it to me i should be able to do whatever i like with it.

i want to know that i can get rid of this DRM crap, and get a firmware that will just ignore restrictions, before i go to the shop and spend 500 quid on a phone.

i think the 3650 is RUINED by DRM. this phone would be 1337 without this gay DRM crap on it.

i dont want to come home one day with a brand new phone to find out that i cant forward my ringtones cuz some dumb fatcat company wants everyone to buy it.

Good question, what DRM is on the 3650 then?

i dont ynderstand no1 controls the content of the phone..... explain in simple terms some 1 pls

right, some wiseguy at nokia thought it would be nice to stop you from forwarding ringtones and java apps etc.

you download a ringtone and who ever made it can put a little tag on it that your phone reads, and if its there it will prevent you from forwarding the ringtone or whatever.

im not sure if they have it already but the plan is that these companies can add other tags onto the thing your downloading so your phone will delete it after a few days, or that you can only play it a few times, and stuff like that

now i have a problem with that.
i want to forward my ringtones etc and edit them,etc
i dont want this company to be able to put these restrictions in place therefore i am looking for a firmware that will ignore such restrictions.

basicly a firmware that says "yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir" to all these restrictions but lets me do whatever the hell i want with the stuff i downloaded, whether the company who made them put restrictions on them or not

u get it now?

Well,i don't think there are such restriction on the 3650,There is only one restriction i can think off(Not 3650 specific),you can not send a ringtone via SMS,but that is due to copyright issues and i'm not sure if that falls under DRM.

[quote="GhostDog"]you can not send a ringtone via SMS,but that is due to copyright issues and i'm not sure if that falls under DRM.[/quote]It does (so called forward-lock). Copy protection is one form of DRM.

I've read the DRM papers N/A but this ringtone forwarding restriction has been out there for a while,I'm not sure that OMA existed when Nokia started to remove the sending ringtone via SMS feature.I don't think its DRM because you can send those same ringtones via IR or BT using a file manager although it is a typical example for what DRM will do.

Well, legally, when you "buy content" you don't buy the content, only the right to use it. That right usually doesn't include the right to forward it to anyone you wish. Its just as when you buy a game to use on your PC, you're not really allowed to hand copies of that over to anyone you wish.

DRM is a way of ensuring you won't do things with the content that you're not allowed to do with it, and that content providers can actually make a buck out of spending effort on creating content. After all, if they can't make a living out of it, why would they create the content in the first place? So, what fun is the phone without content?

Also, if the content has to be specifically marked as "DRM'ed" then people can still create "freeware" content (by not actively marking it as "protected"😉, which you can do whatever you wish with.

Regards,

/Cruizer.

is there any other way of exctracting the ringtone from the phone?

If there was, then it wouldn't be protected, would it? 😊

If you don't like protected content, then just don't buy it.

Regards,

/Cruizer.

or get patched firmware 😊

The issue here is that you have the right to make a backup copy of anything you purchase like this. Hell I remember Microprose F1GP even had an option so make copies of the specially encrypted disks in the game as you couldn't copy them normally.

The problem with DRM is it stops you making your backup copy, so what happens if your phone is stolen, or you have to format, you have no backup and have to pay for these things again. That is not fair. The technology and music industries have to realise that not everyone is a theiving scrote and we shouldn't all be treat the same as the scrotes.

couldnt you instruct the cd burner to copy the disc bit for bit byte for byte?

i think big corporations dont want you to format your comp.. look at the setup for XP or windows 2000, you cant reboot in dos anymore, and the startup disk thing is only to setup theres no real comand thing, well there is but if u try to do anything with it the thing just says access denied.

[quote="SwitchBlade"]The issue here is that you have the right to make a backup copy of anything you purchase like this. Hell I remember Microprose F1GP even had an option so make copies of the specially encrypted disks in the game as you couldn't copy them normally.

The problem with DRM is it stops you making your backup copy, so what happens if your phone is stolen, or you have to format, you have no backup and have to pay for these things again. That is not fair. The technology and music industries have to realise that not everyone is a theiving scrote and we shouldn't all be treat the same as the scrotes.[/quote]

I totally agree with you SwitchBlade,why shoud someone deny me the right of making a backup copy of my Audio CD so that i can listen to it in my car,my discman while i'm runing or even encode it in ogg or mp3 so i can listen to it on my phone?

Towel401 while I have read your reasoning and tried to accept the logic I just cannot buy into what you are saying. What you are saying is this: You cannot accept that someone who legally controls the right to a creative work and therefore, as a matter of copyright law has the legal ability to control who makes copies of it, uses it or modifies it can decide whether or not you need to buy an additional license if you want to use it on another media device. What do you have against copyright law?

<Admin Hat on>
I'm all for discusing te rights and wrongs of DRM, but please would everyone note that software hacks, cracked firmwares and other ways of 'beating' DRM are contrary to the AAS Policy.

By all means talk about it though
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DRM is a bad idea - anythign that stops 100% backup of my device I don't like.

Problem is where will they stop, next it will be Analogue Rights Management, such as who owns the right to a handwritten note, or stopping you take a photograph of a scene. Oh I like being silly, or at least I hope that stays silly.

DRM on the one hand is a good idea for stopping piracy, unfortunately it goes against copyright law that allows you to make a backup copy in case of things like loss etc. To help here I have an MP3 CD player in my car, so I'm encoding my CDs and burning them to cheap CDRs so I don't have to take my CDs out of the house, some of them being rare and expensive. The downfall of DRM is the lack of ARM though, and so with music you can record the analogue signal, takes longer but same effect. Download a wallpaper or operator logo, take a screen shot and with the aid of an art package you have your file for eternity, or your backup media dies. The idea of DRM on silly things like ringtones seems insane to me, I don't know anyone who's paid for a ringtone (apart from giving me 10p after I've sent one to them), as they are easier to make and you can often get better quality tones than the sellers give.

Devils Advocate Cases - in other wordsa where the issue of DRM becomes very... grey, shall we say.

(1) Screen capture applications on a DRM Wallpaper.

(2) I pay �35 for a Java Midlet. My phone is replaced by insurance - I've backed up using the PC Suite. On restoring, I can't see where the beta of "Mobile Repton" has gone (true story)...

Discuss?

I'd just like to point out that you are not stopped from making a backup of the content via something like PC Suite. The protection prevents you using it on another phone. The only problem for legitimate users is for those that have their phone replaced for whatever raeson.

who runs this site? and why dont you like cracked firmware and WaReZ, etc?

does who ever make symbian and the phones make these forums? outsource the making of forums to private companies and maybe take statistics from them?

i guess i could prolly use warez, and maybe crack other apps with gay DRM in them and patch the firmware myself and make my own flash cable.. it would take a bit of time.. but it can be done

just because you crack drm dont mean ure a pirate.

i tried to region free a dvd drive once, dunno if it worked because i never played any other region disc on it anyway because i couldnt get one..

i like the feeling of these corporate restrictions put on MY OWN devices.. think of it as a new kind of spiritual cleansing/feng shui or whatever

but i still have loads of warez and crackt stuff and everything. cuz i cant afford it. and if i did buy something, i'd still try to crak it or get rid of restrictions some way or another.

and if a friend asked for a cd or a proggy i'd copy it for them and i dont want to put up a big wussy show like "thats illegal, i support the industry" naah f*** that. but dat dont mean i stand on the market selling pirate cd's for real shop prices. that fckt up i think... 😮 😮 😮 :-? :-? :-? :roll: 😉

[quote="SwitchBlade"]Problem is where will they stop, next it will be Analogue Rights Management, such as who owns the right to a handwritten note, or stopping you take a photograph of a scene. Oh I like being silly, or at least I hope that stays silly.
[quote]

i was thinkin that myself, like celebs at a concert could have a little transmitter backstage that signals to all digital cameras to not work if they are faced towards the stage.

that wud be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeely silly

I'm part of the Admin team on this forum, and although I don't agree with DRM it doesn't mean I support illegal activities. It's the legal activities that are stopped that annoy me. As for not having warez etc on the site, you could have a private chat with Rafe (Uber-boss), but the standpoint is that although we are un-linked to any part of the industry, we would rather not have the site shut down which is what would happen if we allowed all and sundry to host pirate files and warez on the forums.

(CLICHE ALERT)
At the end of the day (END CLICHE ALERT) we are bound with this site by the laws of the United Kingdom, and by breaking those laws we lose the site and Rafe could end up in prison. And being that he looks like Harry Potter he may not have too mcuh fun inside.

DRM doesn't apply to software, that's copy protection and I feel that the software companies are valid in that. It's the restrictions of DRM that I object to and they are 2 different issues.