Nokia marketing in the UK have said that the release date for the 6600 will actually be moved forward. It will be available in Q3 and not Q4 as has been quoted in some places.
The 6600 is really a great looking device. MIDP 2.0 and all the API's to go with it will make it an awsome device, and it's S60 v2.0 UI with OS 7.0s is going to put it well ahead of the rest of the field. I wonder what Siemens are going to do with all those SX1's that poeple won't want anymore? hehe... SX1 going cheap, anyway? 😊
I wish that was true. This phone seems flawless...
[quote="moamoa"]I wonder what Siemens are going to do with all those SX1's that poeple won't want anymore?[/quote]
I think this is BAD behaviour from Nokia :evil:
first, they sell the Series60 UI version 1.x to other phone manufacturers (siemens, sendo, samsung, etc.) ... then when the other producers are about to launch their phones...
BANG!
nokia shots them from behind their shoulders and PRE-announces (MONTHS before the real launch) that they will launch new phone(s) with a completely renewed release of Series60 UI!
I'd like to hear your opinions on this.
greetings,
@faquick
hell yeah, that was what i actually gonna say
how shitty nokia is they sell the license for the Series 60 v1.0 to other manfactures and they trick it with new models with more powerful OS
and now i;m wodnering if a company such as Siemens already licensed the series 60 v1.0 and do Siemens need kind of upgrade the license to v2.0 and pay more money to Nokia
or they got the free upgrade to V2.0
Later on Nokia is just like M$
but until now i still like Nokia phones 😃
[quote="n1ghtFLY"]@faquick
how shitty nokia is they sell the license for the Series 60 v1.0 to other manfactures and they trick it with new models with more powerful OS
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so what, i love nokia, even though there are better phones than the 7650, i'm not getting an upgrade untill it's a 3g phone from nokia, otherwise i would have gotten SEp800 which is much more powerful than the 7650, :angel:
S60 is Nokia's UI product. Why should they not get some advantage from this? After all, it's only a UI that sits on top of Symbian 7.0s. The other makers should have done there own UI or used UIQ if they want to get one up on Nokia. The best there are ever going to get using S60 is even.
@faquick:
RE:Backstabbing or clever business? :-?
Business is Business i'm afraid and while it may not be ethical for Nokia to do this, it's a 'dog eat dog' world.
At least they're showing that they're one step ahead of the game all the time.
I'm sure it's clever business. And at the end of the day the phone looks awesome and i am sure that (student finance permitting!) i'll be getting one. Couple of points i've picked up though.
Where are the X-Press on covers? 😞
and secondly, how are they gonna protect that camera in the back so that we don't experience 'phone-in-pocket-with-keys' problems a la 3650? :-?
Lee 8)
@yourmanlee
from the picture i see there is a little plastic raised up to protect the lens from hitting the ground
i mean when the phone lay down there is a little step for the lens so it's not touuching the ground
but this is just when we put our phone down
not for when in the pocket 😃
I'm not saying moamoa is wrong, but I find that hard to believe. We are 10 days to Q3 and the phone isn't even tested. Than it still has to be shipped, supplied to the operators, etc...
So........... I don't see a blue sky ahead of us.
Nokia is not backstabbing, they are just being smart!! 😃 sell version 1.0 to the other manufactors (they are not so smart, you should know that Nokia always has something up their sleeves 😉 ), and then walk over them again with a newer version. Nokia was, is and will be on top. Nokia has always made the best phones, with easy to use UI. Thats why most people stay with nokia. 6600 looks way better then th SX1,thats for sure. and i just know its gonna sell much better too.
[quote="RoYaL21"]Nokia is not backstabbing, they are just being smart!! 😃 sell version 1.0 to the other manufactors (they are not so smart, you should know that Nokia always has something up their sleeves 😉 ), and then walk over them again with a newer version. Nokia was, is and will be on top. Nokia has always made the best phones, with easy to use UI. Thats why most people stay with nokia. 6600 looks way better then th SX1,thats for sure. and i just know its gonna sell much better too.[/quote]
I don't think that other vendors bought only v1.x. I think the license agreement includes the whole S60 platform, also future versions of it.
Although,we shouldnt buy 6600 as soon as it will appear,coz for example N3650 has the FW 1.7(or 1.4 i dony remember),and there were a lot of bugs in this FW.
I think that we are entering some non visible fields in this "did nokia backstabbed other companies" discussion. What can we know?
Does anybody saw the contract? They may have bought only v1.0, maybe they bought all the series. Maybe they bought all the series but can only release their phones after nokia... Maybe they were stupid. Maybe not. Don't you think that those business men that bought series 60 from Nokia didn't thought in this situation? What if they develop another software? They have surely think.
And all the companies that bought Series 60 from Nokia... Well.. they saved a lot by not developing their own software, so they can't complaint. It was a risk. Nokia is doing what anybody would do. Should Nokia stop developing just because somebody bought some software?? I really don't think so. As I don't think that the companies that bought series 60 didn't ask for certain clauses in their contracts. This is just pure speculation...
And it doesn't make nokia 6600 arrive sooner! 😊
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]Although,we shouldnt buy 6600 as soon as it will appear,coz for example N3650 has the FW 1.7(or 1.4 i dony remember),and there were a lot of bugs in this FW.[/quote]
You are fortune telling now jimmy?Anyways,i don't think i'll go for the 6600,like i've said many times before,i need a more PDA'ish device like the p800 or maybe a new Communicator 😊
OK,ghostdog,but its your point of view.I want 6600,and will get it.
I Would have thought that the other manufacturers have licenced S60 from Nokia, meaning that every time a Non-Nokia S60 phone is sold a payment goes to Nokia for the use of S60
Making the assumption that Nokia is stabbing their clients (Licencees) in the back does not make business sense especially seeing as the more S60 phones that are out there the better for Nokia because they get a cut from each an every one of those phones! I suspect that S60 V2 is not releas-able to the licencees yet and as such they haven't had the chance to implement - also Nokia inherently gets a lead time on any S60 platform simply because they develop it, it is quite possible that other vendors have the new S60 v2 platform but have not announced products yet.
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]OK,ghostdog,but its your point of view.I want 6600,and will get it.[/quote]
That is not a point of view,its a fact,the p800 is more powerful,aimed at a different class PDA/Smartphone combo,where the 6600 is a Smartphone.
Basically,the 6600 is a 7650/3650 with couple(not much) fancy features added.
BTW: You've just proved a point a made: http://allaboutsymbian.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12564&start=15
Yeah, P800 is more PDA'ish than 7650/3650/6600...
Maybe i'll buy P800 when the price drops a bit.
[quote="GhostDog"]
That is not a point of view,its a fact,the p800 is more powerful,aimed at a different class PDA/Smartphone combo,where the 6600 is a Smartphone.
Basically,the 6600 is a 7650/3650 with couple(not much) fancy features added.
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I have a P800 so I'm not bias toward Nokia, but the P800's poor Java makes it a pretty poor smartphone. It has a Camera, Messaging, Audio and Bluetooth hardware, yet none of these are accessable from it's Java J2ME implementation. However, the 6600 has easy java access to all these features, so the kind of applications possible are in a different class to the P800. The Java improvements alone make the 6600 a far better device than the ??50's. You may not think much of these improvements if you are not a developer or don't understand the technology, but you WILL notice when the applications start to arrive! Applications that are simply not possible on a P800 or 7650/3650.
Java is great but 99% of java apps for Series 60 and even UIQ are just games.
The best stuff out there is coded in C++ and i believe that it will stay like that for a while,java is too slow for my taste.
BTW:Besides MIDP The p800 supports Personal Java.
BTW:I'm maybe a little biased towards Nokia,afterall,i own a 7650 😊
-Edit-
While i was searching for docs on Personal Java API's i found something funny on http://clubsonyericsson.com/en/products_p800.htm .They have a specs list and under Java they have listed:Personal Java, J2ME and C++ 😃
P800 is not new to the market,it was realesed more than 1 year ago...The camera of it is not such good as in 6600,the screen is 4096 color..
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]P800 is not new to the market,it was realesed more than 1 year ago...[/quote]
Get your facts straight. The P800 was released pretty much EXACTLY 6 months ago.
hm,P800 was realesed earliar that N7650.
Like I said, get your facts straight. I know exactly when the P800 was released because I got mine from the very first batch to arrive in Norway in December, and that was just one or two days after it was officially released in Sweden -where it was made.
The N7650 was released 7-8 months before that.
And in fact, many countries didn't get the P800 before FEBRUARY/MARCH even APRIL this year.
OK raven,i'll explain the sutiation:P800 appeared in Russia for sell in January!BUT it was not offiicial,..
Do you not understand English? I said that it was OFFICIALLY released in December 2002.
FIRST you havent told the year,but its my fault,second,WHAT ARE TALKING ABOUT 😮 I SAID that P800 is not new to the market,AND YOU ARE ARGUING with me,..see that..http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sonyericsson-p800.shtml
At the bottom of the page you can see that the test was published 23july 2002.
Raven,i dont want to agrue, i understand that you are the user of P800,and you know more about P800 than i.But PLEASE dont say that 6600 is not a good one,and P800 is better.P800 refers to another category of Smartphones.