[quote="jimmy-floyd"]WHAT ARE TALKING ABOUT[/quote]
This is what I'm talking about:
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]hm,P800 was realesed earliar that N7650.[/quote]
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]P800 is not new to the market,it was realesed more than 1 year ago...[/quote]
Your two statements here are completely wrong, which I have already pointed out.
The Nokia 7650 was officially released in Mai 2002(if my memory serves me correctly). The P800 was officially released in December 2002. Ergo your statements are wrong, which I'm trying to point out to you, but it seems that you just don't want to understand.
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]At the bottom of the page you can see that the test was published 23july 2002.[/quote]
LOL.. That has nothing to do with release dates. Reviewers/reporters/journalists often get a model long before it's officially released for test/advertisement purposes.
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]But PLEASE dont say that 6600 is not a good one,and P800 is better.P800 refers to another category of Smartphones.[/quote]
? Where did I say that?
You didnt say thus,but you mentioned that P800 is better,and it is better to buy P800.RAVEN lets stop our fucki*** argue :agrue:
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]...you mentioned that P800 is better,and it is better to buy P800.[/quote]
😃
I never said that. Will you stop making things up! You're staring to crack me up here!!! 😃
[quote="GhostDog"]Java is great but 99% of java apps for Series 60 and even UIQ are just games.
The best stuff out there is coded in C++ and i believe that it will stay like that for a while,java is too slow for my taste.
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That's because the current Java MIDP does not have the API's to do much else, and that's why the new Java stuff in the 6600 is so key. I think you will start to see most of the best apps written is java very soon!
2raven,maybe i was wrong,coz WHEN I SAW 6600,i was (and i am)full of emotions,i like it very much,but some guys told that P800 is has more functions,and its more PDAdish,AND I BECAME agrressive,i wanted to protect 6600. 😉
QUESTION:IS IT REAL true that 6600 will appear in the 3rd quartal 😮
[quote="moamoa"]That's because the current Java MIDP does not have the API's to do much else, and that's why the new Java stuff in the 6600 is so key. I think you will start to see most of the best apps written is java very soon![/quote]
Hmm I wonder.. I must admit I don't know much about Java, don't even like it, but I don't really see it replacing native Symbian C++ applications, even if it will support more API's than the current MIDP 1.0 version. What about the speed issue of apps written in Java? I doubt it will ever blend in with the OS/UI as well as native c++ applications..
I think we are getting waaay out of scope here... isn't this a topic about the release date for n6600?
I know we still don't have moderators, but....
[quote="Raven"]
Hmm I wonder.. I must admit I don't know much about Java, don't even like it, but I don't really see it replacing native Symbian C++ applications, even if it will support more API's than the current MIDP 1.0 version. What about the speed issue of apps written in Java? I doubt it will ever blend in with the OS/UI as well as native c++ applications..[/quote]
The VM in 7.0s is much better than previous ones, however, I don't think speed was ever much of a problem on MIDP anyway. Personnal Java was crap and very slow, but MIDP was fine. I don't think MIDP 2.0 and the new API's will do EVERYTHING, it does not give you access to PIM contacts and stuff like like, but it does improve things greatly. I would give the old version 2/10 and the new stuff 8/10, and that's a big jump for us java developers.
let's just wait until the 6600 is released by then we can start comparing
even if MIDP 2.0 not as powerful as C++ programs
but most of the games for Series 60 written in java
and yeah there are also good ones like games by gameloft. i don't know how powerful Java is until gameloft released their games
but then C++ still the best
@ Jimmy FLoyd
Yes it is true that P800 has more features a simple example is just from the accesories you get if u buy a P800 out of the box (u'll impressed how many stuff u got there 😃 )
but these 2 devices P800 and Nokia 6600 is fall into different category as Nokia said Nokia 6600 is a multimedia phone with imaging and stuff i forgot what is it (it's on the Nokia's site)
for P800 it is a half phone half PDA device which far more featured than the Nokia 6600
in the end both of these u can't compare it because many people has their own perspective so choose whatever u like
but the fact is P800 has more features
[quote="jimmy-floyd"]RAVEN lets stop our fucki*** argue[/quote]
Hang on, i thought the reason you put star's (***) in swear words is to cover the offensive bit of the word. LOL 😃
The two (P800/6600) are incomparable. I think best comparison for 6600 is 3650 or SX1.
Lee
[quote="yourmanlee"][quote="jimmy-floyd"]RAVEN lets stop our fucki*** argue[/quote]
Hang on, i thought the reason you put star's (***) in swear words is to cover the offensive bit of the word. LOL 😃
The two (P800/6600) are incomparable. I think best comparison for 6600 is 3650 or SX1.
Lee[/quote]
i agree with u Nokia 6600 should be compared with SX-1 maybe 3650 but it's nokia 😃 😃 😃
[quote="n1ghtFLY"]
but the fact is P800 has more features
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I wouldn't say it has more features. Both of these phones have features which the other phone don't have. I think they are quite even in feature wise.
@jimmy,when posting,please try to summarize the info in less posts possible,reading your posts one after another makes my head spin and avoid using foul language.
About the release Dates,the 7650 was released at the end of July and it was released way before the p800.
Java's goal was great,we might see it running on toasters and refrigerators in the future but for now C++ has the upper hand.
The p800 is more packed more powerful more expensive device then regular smartphone like the 6600 hence more features.Yes,they are incomparable because they belong to different class of devices.
But what if you tried to compare them?You can compare p800's smartphone side with 6600 smartphone's side,but what about the PDA side?So lets not start rambling.
I was wondering what the difference between these smartphones of today, such as Nokia's 3650, 7650, and this newly announced 6600, and the 3G phones I continue to hear about. I'm just curious because I've got a 3650, and I'm not sure what else they could have planned for future improvements. I was initially under the impression that these smartphones were actually 3G phones, but I think I may be mistaken.
Thanks.
And noone answered,..IS it true that 6600 wil appear in the 3rd quartal
Here's a short answer from me.All of these phones:7650,3650,6600 might look different and have some different features but actually,there aren't any radical changes from one to another.They all are 2.5G devices.
2.5g and 3g are networks(or maybe bunch of network standards that mobiles opereator on,maybe not a good explanation but its all i can do for now)
Here are some differences between 2g and 3g.
2G Wireless
The technology of most current digital mobile phones
Features includes:
- Phone calls
- Voice mail
- Receive simple email messages
Speed: 10kb/sec
Time to download a 3min MP3 song:
31-41 min
2.5G Wireless
The best technology now widely available
Features includes:
- Phone calls/fax
- Voice mail
-Send/receive large email messages
- Web browsings
- Navigation/maps
- New updates
Speed: 64-144kb/sec
Time to download a 3min MP3 song:
6-9min
3G Wireless
Combines a mobile phone, laptop PC and TV
Features includes:
- Phone calls/fax
- Global roaming
- Send/receive large email messages
- High-speed Web
Navigation/maps
Videoconferencing
- TV streaming
- Electronic agenda meeting reminder.
Speed: 144kb/sec-2mb/sec
Time to download a 3min MP3 song:
11sec-1.5min
IF you want more info search the web.
Ghost,
Thanks, that helps quite a bit. I guess the phones today are sporting some of the features that will set the trend for 3G, or I guess if you took the more pessimistic vie--glorified 2G features. I'd imagine it's a somewhat slow process, especially here in the U.S. where companies have such a large area to support service as opposed to smaller regions such as Japan.
Back on topic, I haven't seen anyone point to any substantial evidence via press release from Nokia, that the 6600 will be shipping in the 3rd quarter of this year in this thread, or elsewhere. Until such evidence appears I would set my expectations to see the phone in Q4--especially with Nokia's tendency for long, drawn-out product launches.
Thanks again.
But for example Nokia 3650 appeared very fast at the market .
[quote="RcktMan77"]
I haven't seen anyone point to any substantial evidence via press release from Nokia, that the 6600 will be shipping in the 3rd quarter of this year in this thread, or elsewhere. Until such evidence appears I would set my expectations to see the phone in Q4
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Here is one place .... "The 6600 contains 6MB of RAM, but users can add more via an MMC slot. Nokia will bundle a 32MB MultiMedia Card with the phone, which is due to ship during Q3, as will the 3100."
full article
But, I actually heard Q3 from someone in Nokia UK.
lets say that 3 minute song is 3 megabytes, (192 kps 44000khz)
at 10kb/s = 5.5 minutes
at 64-144kb/s = 20seconds - 70 seconds
at 144 - 2megs per sec = 1.5 - 20 seconds
BUT this isn't actually what the phones are like i don't think, neither is the figures above i don't think in terms of download,
the phones speed is pretty much like a modems speeds, when you connect to the internet using a 56k v92 modem, the maximum data transfer at any one time is 52kilobytes per second, but you actually download at speeds of 3-4 kilobytes per second, if you are on ADSL512, you don't actually download at half a megabyte a second, that's just the maximum data transfer at any one time, you actually download at aorund 61 kilobytes per secon (you just divide the given figure by 8 or 7 if you want to remove the overheads too), therefore if it says you will be able to download at 2 megs, this means you'll download at 256 kilobytes per second... this is what i think it is anyway, meaning the figures given at the start of this will be wrong, as are the figures in the thread above this one regarding download speeds.
One thing nk8,the speed is in kilobits not bytes.8 bits= 1 byte.IE:512kb(bits) ADSL right?Devide 512 with 8 and you will get the speed in bytes.
Kb = kilo bits ; KB = kilo bytes
Not to mention the fact that on the speed indicated is the total data flow speed. The actual useful data is limited to 87-50% of that rate. This varies with different protocols. This is due to service bits called headers etc. So when you see the download speed in IE it is the actual useful data recieved. So if you have (for simplicity sake) a connection of 80Kb per second (Kb=kilobit). That means you have a connection speed of 10KB per second (KB=kilobyte). Of that your dowload speed is at best 8.7KB per second.
@Ghostdog. 2.5G is really 2G + GRPS. Additional hardware build into the phones and the towers that support packet transmission. Regular GSM supports only raw data stream and this limits it's speed. 3G is a whole new hardware on both ends.
Yes i know Kiril,i started with a techy explanation but i realised that will be of no good to a lot of people here. 😉
[quote="GhostDog"]One thing nk8,the speed is in kilobits not bytes.8 bits= 1 byte.IE:512kb(bits) ADSL right?Devide 512 with 8 and you will get the speed in bytes.
Kb = kilo bits ; KB = kilo bytes[/quote]
thanks, it's too confusing to convert the bits into bytes :P
Back to the topic...
I saw that article in the register also, saying that it will hit the shelves in the Q3. But I search the web and ALL the orther sites refers the release date in Q4, so since there's only one reference to Q3, I take that as an error....
Hope not, but that's what I think.
I don't think that N3650 was very quick in its launch. May be not as long as other phones, but it took a while too. The record I think is for4 7650 which was presented in November 2001 and released in July/Agust 2002. And Nokia said it would be Q2 2002, but it turns out to be Q3..