Which Ngage should I get?

You want the new one, think you've talked yourself into it anyway.

MP3's will sound crap on the QD.

The usb connection on the original just means you use the awful Nokia PC software, just get an MMC card reader..much..much better.
Both do video, the QD has better battery life, it is not sidetalkin and most series 60 apps will work on it.

Hi scuzzo84,

Welcome to the forum. Please use the search function, all your questions have been answered before.

JOBBIGER wrote:The usb connection on the original just means you use the awful Nokia PC software, just get an MMC card reader..much..much better.

On the contrary. The USB connection on the original does NOT work with the god awful PC-Suite software. In fact it works just as a card reader, the N-Gage will show up as a removable drive on your PC and file transfer is on par with a card reader. Another huge advantage the original has over the QD IMO (in addition to being tri-band and having stereo MP3 playback and radio).

Oh well, I'm in a good mood today...

"1. Can have multiple alarms"
-Yes with a 3rd party program like this.

"2. Calendar"
-Yes.

"3. Notes"
-Yes.

"4. Descent Battery life - I make about 5 phone calls a day, and total day talk time is 20 mins."
-Yes.

"5. Phone"
-Yes.

"6. Im not going to buy any games, Im going to just get the emulators."
-Ok, then you should try PicoDrive (Sege Megadrive emulator). Great emu, lots of great games.

"7. Mono isnt really an issues to me, as long as I can hear it normally."
-You can hear it of course, but there is a huge difference between mono and stereo sound when you are listening trough a headset.

"Im thinking the QD, it looks nicer too, and I think smaller and lighter."
-I think it looks much worse, but to each his own. The QD is smaller overall, but the original is thinner and lighter.

General Questions

"1. Whats the USB for in ngage?"
-File transfer.

"2. Hows the battery life for ngage? and in QD?"
-The QD has a higher capacity battery -1070mAh vs. 850mAh in the original.

"3. Can you get a mp3 player for QD? Is MONO really bad sound?"
-Yes, and yes MONO sounds bad trough a headset.

"4. Is ngage sidetalkin? Is QD?"
-Original yes, QD no.

"5. Can you develop your own apps for the ngage and qd?"
-Yes, in c++, OPL, VB or J2ME MIDP 1.0.

"6. Does Ngage or QD have a vibrate feature?"
-Yes, both.

"7. Can you play video on both qd and Ngage?"
-Yes.

"8. Are there alot more apps that you can get besides the regular calculator or calendar?"
-Oh yeah. About 1,000 various apps and games (not counting emulator games and all the Java apps/games).

What are the big key differences between the QD and ngage beside

"1. No mp3 player in QD
2. NO USB in qd"
-3.No tri-band in QD
4.No radio in QD.
5.Better battery life in QD.
6.Smaller overall size of QD.
7.No sidetalking in QD.
8.MMC hot-swap in QD.

I think I'll make this one sticky, so we'll hopefully avoid all these repetitive questions in the future.

4.N-Gage classic rear talking mod

I'd like to know a little more about the QD

1-what is the highest mp3 quality that can play? i don't care about mono, but what about the Hz and kbps?

2-can i watch movie with QD?

3-can i change the cover? (well, not that i care too much about it, but...)

thanks

1.I believe it is 16khz 16bit
2.Yes,search the forum.
3.Yes.

Thanks GhostDog, but I have to be sure about the quality. Can anyone tell me about it?

i believe the
qd is much better:

first, the mp3 of the original n-gage conflicts with the gaming sofware, so if you use them simultaneously (e.g. while gaming some one call u and ur using a mp3 for ur ringing tone) eventually it will corruptyour n-gage software.

suggestion: on the market, the original n-gage costs more about $100 differential to the qd. it might be wiser if you buy a seperate mp3 player that cost $90 and above. imagine, you dont have to buy a seperate mmc for mp3.

secondly, the usb of the n-gage can damage your mmc. like what happened to me.
thats why they remove the usb interface from the qd

lastly, i hate the akward manner u answer or make a call. and the n-gage 1 has a smooth surface which makes it prone to slip. not like the qd that has a rubber for a good grip of the phone. 😎

wins wrote:first, the mp3 of the original n-gage conflicts with the gaming sofware, so if you use them simultaneously (e.g. while gaming some one call u and ur using a mp3 for ur ringing tone) eventually it will corruptyour n-gage software.

Never had such problems, nor have I heard of anyone who have.

suggestion: on the market, the original n-gage costs more about $100 differential to the qd. it might be wiser if you buy a seperate mp3 player that cost $90 and above. imagine, you dont have to buy a seperate mmc for mp3.

I don't know where you live, but in my country the original N-Gage is still considerably cheaper than the QD.

secondly, the usb of the n-gage can damage your mmc. like what happened to me.
thats why they remove the usb interface from the qd

Again, I've never had any such problems. The USB connection has worked flawlessly for me every single time. It has proved to be a much faster and easier set up to connect the N-Gage to my laptop than any other device I've had. Too bad it only recognizes the MMC and not the whole device. The reason they removed the USB connector in the QD is most likely to cut down on the cost. Please stop making things up.

lastly, i hate the akward manner u answer or make a call. and the n-gage 1 has a smooth surface which makes it prone to slip. not like the qd that has a rubber for a good grip of the phone.

Like GhostDog mentioned if side-talking bothers you, use the rear-talking mod (or a BT headset or the supplied one). And once again, I've never had a problem with the phone slipping out of my hands neither. But on the QD I've heard people complain about their thumb slipping off the navigation pad because it doesn't have those elevated edges the original has.

I agree that the USB does damage your MMC (it has happened to me) but this only happens when the USB is improperly disconnected. (You have to let the pc know you are disconnecting the USB by clicking on "SAFELY REMOVE etc etc" so in a way Raven is right and wrong.

FJ0372 wrote:I agree that the USB does damage your MMC (it has happened to me) but this only happens when the USB is improperly disconnected. (You have to let the pc know you are disconnecting the USB by clicking on "SAFELY REMOVE etc etc" so in a way Raven is right and wrong.

Hi i just didn't want to make a new topic because of this. i want to play games (free) downloaded from internet (n-gage games). Is there a security system for that on n-gage qd? i dont wanna give money to that games...

and also they say that its so hard to play games on qd (because of the pad not the rocker key) is that true?

acinonyxjubatus wrote:Hi i just didn't want to make a new topic because of this. i want to play games (free) downloaded from internet (n-gage games). Is there a security system for that on n-gage qd? i dont wanna give money to that games...

So you want to steal someones hard work in stead? This is not a place that supports illegal activity. Consider this a warning, if you continue on this route you will be banned from the forum.

i stand corrected!!
my apologies for posting something you think is misinformation. i also thank you for correcting some of my threads. however, the reason i posted those things is because i experienced it first hand and to make conclusions that i thinkis considerably logical is my prerogative. and its is also healthy forthis forum that someone corrects someone.

i a female,24 years old,working as a CPA in singapore and other parts of asia.

😊

"to whom much is given, much is expected"

hey raven im so sorry i didnt know that...

and i just wanna ask u something too.
as u know there is no usb port on qd. and everyone says that when u load something with bluethooth device (wav or videos vs..) , it doesnt go to mmc,it goes to phone memory. is that true? if it is, what program do you offer me to use to load some thing to mmc?

and i ask again ; is it too hard to play games on qd with the pad on the right side??

acinonyxjubatus wrote:everyone says that when u load something with bluethooth device (wav or videos vs..) , it doesnt go to mmc,it goes to phone memory. is that true? if it is, what program do you offer me to use to load some thing to mmc?

PC-Suite (bundled software).

and i ask again ; is it too hard to play games on qd with the pad on the right side??

With the pad on the right side? I don't get what you mean, the pad is on the left side... I don't own a QD, so you better ask someone who do, if you want to know how well the controls work in games.

i mean the numbers...

.......What the hell are you talking about?

The button layout on the NGage and QD are exactly the same, except for:

1.) QD has a separate button for "Acknowledge," instead of pressing down the directional pad, like on the NGage original
2.) The button shapes are slightly different

All the buttons are still in the exact same places as the original......

I am considering getting an N-Gage, but Im never going to use the phone feature, do you have to get a cell phone plan or use one you already have (I dont have a cell phone) or can I just get one to play games

I'm certainly no N-Gage expert, but I was passing by today in my search to determine whether or not the QD could do stereo MP3 via add-on MP3 software and saw this thread. There are two other advantages to the QD that don't seem to be listed here...

1) According to several reviews I've read, the QD's screen is brighter. I'll defer to the experts here as to whether or not that's even true and, if it is, just how much brighter the QD's screen is.
2) While the QD lacks a tri-mode that is good for jetsetters, the QD is the only one that can be had with the more recent US 850 band. This band is becoming the standard for Cingular. T-Mobile US will seemingly be sticking with the 1900 (?) band. So, if you're a US resident, the QD would have the advantage here.

Those positive comments aside, I'm definitely in agreement that the QD is more of a step down from the original N-Gage in terms of losing the MP3 and FM radio functionality. The issues of card switching difficulty and sidetalkin' were the much talked about issues in the press but, IMO, were not major issues. Part of me wonders if Nokia might have purposely dropped features on the QD because they still had a lot of the original N-Gages that they needed to unload. I suspect that once the inventory of those is depleted, we could see a truly improved N-Gage which will probably be built on the QD's form-factor (like it or not), but will add back the stereo MP3 and [hopefully] a camera.

In case anyone here cares, I wrote up an editorial with my thoughts about the QD back in April here:
http://tapland.com/news_arc/?id=234

Note that my site is a site dedicated to the Tapwave Zodiac, so the article has a Zodiac-centric twist to it.

Cheers,
Scott

Hi Scott,

I recognize you from various forums around the web, nice to see you here as well.

About your article on Tapland, I'd like to comment on a few things.

Concerning CPU power and FPS games, Red Faction is a poor example simply because it is a poor game, in many ways. You should check out Ashen. But don't pay any attention to the GameSpot review - don't know what their problem is, their rating is overly strict and completely unfair IMO, which can also be seen if you look at their reader's rating: 8.2.

Sure you'll face a small slow down at times, Ashen really pushes the N-Gage to its limits, but it's hardly noticeable and the gameplay doesn't suffer from it at all. The controls are great, the graphics are wonderful, the music/sounds are thrilling, the gameplay is superb. /rave 😊

About screen size, I agree, but you get used to it (kind of). And it certainly works OK for games other than simple pinball and shootem-ups. About screen brightness, I think that is more of a US phenomena. I remember when the Treo 600 came out, and everyone praised about how bright the screen was, while it had a dirt poor resolution and horrible washed out colours. Not to mention being STN and not TFT active matrix. I don't get this fascination with brightness at all. Why does it have to be so damn bright? My laptop screen is bright and I mean BRIGHT, it really hurt my eyes before I got used to it, and everyone who have seen it complained about the very same thing. The N-Gage screen is a clear and vivid TFT screen which displays the colours very well for a 4096 colour screen, and it's more than bright enough for me.

About cameras, I'm so glad my N-Gage doesn't have one, those things are useless, just a gimmick and an annoyance IMO.

About the 850 band for the US version, I understand what you're saying, but I still think the European/Asian version should be tri-band.

Cheers

For some people, having to remove the battery to swap cards isn't a big deal, nor is sidetalking.

However, the only reason I bought the N-Gage QD is because Nokia fixed both of those issues (not wanting to remove my battery to swap cards, or to have to modify the phone for rear-talking). That was the deal-breaker with the original unit for me.

It's also the first affordably-priced Series 60 phone that was available locally here in Vancouver - even the Nokia 3600-series phones that have been around for ages are still horribly overpriced. The lack of a camera helped to make it affordable - and if I really want a digital camera, I'll spend the money buying a decent one and dump a huge CF card in it. No USB also wasn't an issue - for quick transfers, I'll just pull the MMC (which is now easy to do) and use the card reader in my PC.

For screen brightness, I usually keep my QD on the second-lowest setting.

I was having the same dilemna and ended up buying a refurbed Ngage classic -- I wasn't sure I would actually use the deck since I tend to go minimalist and smaller the better. So far I am in awe.

When it came time to chose, QD or classic, this forum helped (thanks guys) -- QD definately looks better -imho- but it's keys were too small for my fingers and the stereo sound, extra hardware, nicer OS, etc on the classic was pretty important. I didn't feel like kidding myself that mono is just as good as stereo and that I would get over the other shortcomings of the QD. Plus I figured if I didn't like it, $99 is a lot easier to live with than $200+ -- I'll deal w/ the sidetalking (rear mod or use a headset) and it's the size of the classic that may be the only thing that wears on me over time.

I wish someone would make a modified case for the side that covers the battery that would allow original n-gage owners to put the QD's higher capacity battery in. As far as I know, the QD's battery is simply thicker that the originals but will still fit. Can anyone confirm this?

today i have gone to the dealer wat i come to know that in ngage qd u r not getting an mmc card free. They say that u have to pay it. So tell me why more of people suggesting ngage qd over ngage. I agree that n gage look wise and side talkin is the main problem and wat else is the problem

I again tell u one more thing
that NGAGE QD
doesn't have Mp3 Stereo
doesn't have FM Radio
doesn't have USB port
doesn't provides free 32 mb or any MMC card
but has Hot swap
looks good
brighter backlight ( just tell me is it true, the users tell me abt this)
Battery life

Price : Rs. 9750 ( $ 210 )

while the ngage normal has mp3, radio, a free mmc , a usb port nut look wise its not that good ,
also confirm with the screen size and brightness and
really tell me is there a big deal with side talkin... u will tell me if u can adjust with that u should buy ngage classic, but i haven't used any side takin fone , so how can i come to know whether i can adjust with a side talkin fone, just the users of the ngage fone tell me is there a problem using it as a side talkin or its just normal and can get used to it after some time.

The price of ngage normal here is Rs. 8800 ( $ 185 )

please suggest me a good fone as i really want to buy but i am very confused

Thanx in advance for the reply

Jitendra

Ok, I edited my original post concerning this for the sake of grammer and getting to the ponit..

When I saw the first ngage, I thought, wow, neat, 3d games and symbian based, so great upgradability.. but not mmc hot swappable? What's with the fm radio and mp3 player? I already have that in my car and home? The size was also 20-30+% too big in my opinion, as was the bright colour of the case. Would get dirty.
The price, in Canadian funds was just horrible. I'd rather pick up a ps2 or gamecube for half that.

Now, with the qd, better backlight, shaved the exess... the hardware mp3 (the reduction to mono was confusing, but is probably because the mono is probably backwards compatible with older headsets.. thus saving price..) fm radio also gone, so the reduction of an fm tuner.. and no included mmc card. helps reduce the overall cost.

Those differences alone, that and I was VERY delighted at the mere sight of the qd, with it's considerably better looks (at least in my opinion) and it being able to do everything I need it to at a considerably lower initial cost.. well. That's why I own a qd now.

I also went to www.memorysuppliers.com after searching for memory and got a Hitachi 256mb MMC card for $70 shipped and insured after taxes.. as compared to the next lower cost of 103$.. then MUCH higher prices elsewhere. I'd rather have a lower cost and better overall phone, for my needs.

I have a mp3 player, and all other music capabilities at home, and in my car.

The Classic is pretty cheap here.I prefer the looks of the N-Gage classic and i also prefer having one neat package(gaming phone,mp3 player,radio etc etc)instead of juggling between two or three.

personaly m8 the ngage qd is crap! the official ngage is the best and always will b the best on the marchet !

I think a lot of reviews are easily detectible as bias in the means that the author only owns one or the other. I'd like to hear a review of a owner who has both?? I personally own a QD and am very satisfied. I was bummed to learn of the non-mp3 playback but soon found a program to supply that wish (so what if it's not stereo.. it's not like it has "real" surround sound coming from you palm anyway). I'm really confused about pricing.. I got my QD for $100 after a $100 rebate. (US)

I think what it comes down to is the size really.. the QD is more of a phone-style.. so probably better if you're looking at the n-gage as a phone. The original would be more of an entertainment companion.. bit more bulky, etc. I personally think they're both equally weighed. Better than those pussy camera phones, lol.