Sendo X-series vs. Nokia N-series

Ok. Can someone lock this thread please - there's better things to talk about than this pathetic slanging match.

I'm loathe to lock this thread striaght away, because it started as a good debate. Can we have cool heads and respect for other opinions before I wade in with a big Admin stick?

Ewan wrote:I'm loathe to lock this thread striaght away, because it started as a good debate. Can we have cool heads and respect for other opinions before I wade in with a big Admin stick?

I guess when you say we should have respect for others opinions, that it goes for everybody in here!?

It's ok to debate, and everybody should be able to handle some jokes about eachother.

And I have said it before, and I will continue to say it; The tremendous dissapointment the Sendo X was to me and many others, deserves to be known to the rest of the mobile-phone-society! It was (IS) a very expensive product, which in mine and many others opinions is a totally overpraised product. This is something I think everybody deserves to know!

I recent to be adressed as an immature by a person who is younger, and clearly less enlightened and objective than me when it comes to this issues, just because I do not live in Sendo's headquarters!

Please do not make personal statements about people. You may think they're wrong. You can say they're wrong (politely). You should be able to make your case and point by saying you think this is wrong, or you disagree with this point because... Arguments and debates are a lot more convincing when you stick to the subject.

Do not make sweeping generalisations such as 'clearly less enlightened and objective' - you don't really have a basis for saying that. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being young - it doesn't automatically make some one wrong or immature.

Personally I think the Sendo X was a very impressive product, and the X2 is a more refined version. In particular I think (the X2) in terms of size (wehther actualy or perceived) is yet to be beaten by any other Symbian licensee.

But Messus does have a point. Ok, so we should act in a nicer way to eachother, i agree. But the thing is, Sendo launched their X in way that people starting to expect a lot from this phone. And when you're willing to pay a fair amount of money for a smartphone, it should work properly.
Ok, so Sendo is new to the smartphone market. That's fine. But that's not an excuse for poorly working phones. As said before, we are no beta-testers. I can imagine a phone suffers from minor bugs. But these werent minor anymore. I had to sent mine back, amongst many others. And that's why i think that Sendo had to do much more testing before launching the X. Now my X works fine and i'm really happy with it. But that should've been right from the start. (And not after a few months in my case...)

I started this thread. It's a shame it's been hijacked by two people who should clearly have been kicked off this board a long time ago (nutzu and messus) - Admins?
I've yet to see a fair or sensible comment from either of them anywhere, it's all over-emotional rhetoric and insults (and with no knowledge of English what's more).

Anyway, it's been good to see the other discussion about how the X2 might fare against Nokia's impressive competition. I think the X2 will do somewhere between very and extremely well, depending on the marketing. And the N-Series also has significant drawbacks, particularly weight and price.

Most average people (those who don't frequent online mobile forums 😊 ) really couldn't care less what symbian is, let alone what version they've got. They just want to know what the product can do for them, and they want it to be SIMPLE. REALLY simple. Just by calling it a "Music Phone", having visible music controls on the side of the phone with recognisable play/forward etc symbols, and making the music playing (as with answering a call) a one-touch operation, gives that simplicity to the average user, and that's what they want. I think Sendo really "get it", quite frankly. Well done to them.

What Sendo also must do is make the process of getting music onto the phone as easy as possible, so I hope the transfer software and process is up to scratch. I'm talking plug in the cable and one or two mouse clicks. No geeky technical stuff, no stupid technical acronyms (even "MP3" is too much in my opinion). Secondly, they should hook up with as many online music stores as possible, given the formats the X2 can play and the X2's DRM there's no excuse not to. And no excuse for the music stores not to see this as an excellent extra music channel. Sendo need to educate and change the mindset of the online music stores that "MP3 Players" aren't just standalone things that look like Walkmans. The stores could plug the X2 as well - I'd want to plug something if it could give me extra sales.

Finally this could (if the usability of the whole X2 software is good enough) also be very much a "My First Smartphone" scenario for a lot of people and that can only be a good thing for everyone.

What an opportunity for Sendo. Lets hope they don't bugger it up!

Some very good points very well made!

I think you're dead right on the opportunities which Sendo have created for themselves with the X2, so hopefully some of what you've said will actually come true.

The only downside of direct to phone from store downloads is that GPRS is a bit slow to make this feasable - I think 3G is pretty much *needed* for that...

Seconded - especially the bit about forum enthusiasts (lit: geeks). 70% of people who by a phone use it as a phone and as such, size and weight weigh in a lot more than techy stuff. I've no doubt Nokia's music phone will be tough competition for the X2, given the presence of a built in hard disk. However, the X2 will have an advantage in release time and price. I suspect it will be cheaper to buy an X2 w/ large memory card (especially from eBay or similar) than the Nokia N (I forget which number) handset only.

N70 is the closest competitor to X2, and won't be out till the autumn at the earliest, (and will probably cost a fortune) so X2 should have a good head start on these N series phones 😊

stuclark wrote:N70 is the closest competitor to X2, and won't be out till the autumn at the earliest, (and will probably cost a fortune) so X2 should have a good head start on these N series phones 😊

What problems were you having with the phone - try and be as specific as possible...

Do we have to go round that loop again? Nutzu's problems are well documented, and since he no longer has any interest in his (ex?) X is there any point?

I've no idea how large and cumbersome the new N series are, but they are the first models since the 6210/6310 that suggest the big N hasn't completely forgotten how to do classy, functional phones (excluding the 9300/9500, which don't really count as phones).

Personally I'm waiting to see what the P910 replacement is like. Much as I like my X, I find casual note taking with just a phone keypad is too slow and requires sufficient concentration to make it hard to follow the discussions I'm taking notes on.

pelwell wrote:Personally I'm waiting to see what the P910 replacement is like. Much as I like my X, I find casual note taking with just a phone keypad is too slow and requires sufficient concentration to make it hard to follow the discussions I'm taking notes on.

I am almost sure that SE won't release only one UIQ device but at least 2. One which will be the P910 follow up (maybe named P930) and a small one to compete series60 devices. Don't forget that UIQ version 3.0 can run with smaller screen resolutions.

ajck wrote:
I've yet to see a fair or sensible comment from either of them anywhere, it's all over-emotional rhetoric and insults (and with no knowledge of English what's more).

What do you call this comment then? Well argumentative and mature?

Admins?

ajck, I suggest you search and read the forum before you make such
nonsense comments!

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You may all continue to compare the X or X2 with the N-series, but it's more or
less the same as comparing an intel 386SX 16Mhz based computer running
Windows 3.1 with a Pentium 4 3.2Ghz running Windows XP.

The N-series will probably be expensive yes, but in my opinion it is worth
to pay more to get a product that is working as it should! (That's what I thought
I did when I emptied my wallet to buy the X)

Calling the N70 the closest competitor to the X2!?? Well well... It's like
comparing Arsenal (N70) with Notts County (X) if you ask me..

The X2 is hardware-wise (on paper at least) more or less the same phone
as the X, except for the camera lens..

So to me it is completely illogical how the X2 can be referred to as a music
phone if it's gonna spend just as long as the X to switch tracks.. And if it is
much faster than the X to switch tracks, then it just shows that it is a software
issue, and this makes me dissapointed with Sendo for not fixing up the X before
releasing the X2.

Regardless, I still belive Sendo should have concentrated on fixing the X before
releasing the X2.

OK - Everyone, time out. Messus and nutzu have their right to voice displeasure about their poor experiences with the X just as stu, myself and others have the right to talk about their positive experiences.

Neither perspective is wrong. This is an interesting line of debate about the N- Series going toe-to-toe with the X2 and X3, so if everyone keeps it cool, I'd like to get this thread back on topic.

A question - why put WLAN in a device used mainly for music, rather than business or web purposes?

Ah, a little late with my response. As far as I know, Sendo aren't giving up on the original X - leastways not for the forseeable future. Maybe when the X3 makes an appearnce, they'll start to phase it out but given that it's always in EXpansys Top 10 Selling Symbian phones, I'd still say it was quite popular.

Masamune wrote:OK - Everyone, time out. Messus and nutzu have their right to voice displeasure about their poor experiences with the X just as stu, myself and others have the right to talk about their positive experiences.

Neither perspective is wrong. This is an interesting line of debate about the N- Series going toe-to-toe with the X2 and X3, so if everyone keeps it cool, I'd like to get this thread back on topic.

A question - why put WLAN in a device used mainly for music, rather than business or web purposes?

Hmm I agree, I would have loved to have seen WLAN in the N70, especially since
I have heard Skype is working on a Symbian version! 😊

Still, I think you are required to have OS9 to support WLAN, and that would mean
less software compatible.. So, for me it's still the N70! 😊 And I believe one of
the reasons for Nokia choosing to implement OS9 on the N91 is to enable
stereo bluetooth headset support, for it to be the ultimate music-phone!!

I believe Nokia has choosen software compatibility on their business model
instead of WLAN, for now.. Expect to see WLAN also on the business models
as OS9 is more common!

If you are gonna compare the X/X2 with the N-series (N70 in particular) as
music devices, I think you have to look at the software theese units
will run. I have understood (not tested) that OGG player v2 is the best
mp3/ogg player out there, this player will not run in the X/X2 since the X/X2
is running and old OS. UltraMP3 is a pretty good mp3 player, this does not run
(properly) on the X, and most likely not on the X2. If the embedded player in
the X2 is the same as the X, and this is the only way for the X2 to play mp3's, I
think the X2 may have a very very short run against the N70!

Also, if a phone is to seriously be considered as a music-device, it has to be
able to handle multitasking properly, and if the X2 is not any better than the
X in multitasking (and why should it be with same CPU, same OS!?), then
I think people will be dissapointed! My old N-6600 with UltraMP3 handled
multitasking better than my Sendo X currently does!

For you who are waiting for the X2 I hope my suspicions are wrong! 😊

messus wrote:Still, I think you are required to have OS9 to support WLAN

Indeed, I think wlan is VERY useful in a (smart)phone. Ofcourse it makes webbrowsing fun, but when you're talking about musicphones it would be very nice ofcourse to send music/vid files over the air! :icon14:

I have heard of a couple of people using OggPlayer on the X - I haven't tried it myself, but I'll look into it. VoIP on a mobile would be mind-blowingly fantastic and just think how much you would save on GPRS and calls with Wifi. It would be interesting to see how the Symbian Skype plays out, but I suspect that it would only be the very latest phones with high specs that wopuld be able to use it (i.e. everything below the 7610 might have trouble). I would probably say that Skype would debut on the communicators and UIQ first, with a cut down Series 60 version a couple of months later.

Messus - put it on the "Sendo Christmas list thread" I started, along with any other nice ideas.

I'm using Oggplayer with ogg files. Absolutely no problems: the tracks switch instantly; I think Oggplayer is easier to use (and has more features) and looks nicer than the built-in mp3 player; plus, ogg files are smaller so you can save a lot more songs.

I agree, Ogg-player is way better dan the build-in mp3-player. Interface is better and I love the fact that when you push the button to play the next song, it actually plays the next song! Now I have my 1Gig sd card filled with approx 450 😮 music files! Yeah baby! 😃

messus wrote:If you are gonna compare the X/X2 with the N-series (N70 in particular) as
music devices, I think you have to look at the software theese units
will run. I have understood (not tested) that OGG player v2 is the best
mp3/ogg player out there, this player will not run in the X/X2 since the X/X2
is running and old OS. UltraMP3 is a pretty good mp3 player, this does not run
(properly) on the X, and most likely not on the X2. If the embedded player in
the X2 is the same as the X, and this is the only way for the X2 to play mp3's, I
think the X2 may have a very very short run against the N70!

Actually there is no Oggplay version 2. There is the MMF (for Symbian 7.0s and above devices) and non MMF (for every Symbian device). And believe me there is a lot more development going on the non-MMF version which works on the Sendo X.

MemphisX wrote:Actually there is no Oggplay version 2. There is the MMF (for Symbian 7.0s and above devices) and non MMF (for every Symbian device). And believe me there is a lot more development going on the non-MMF version which works on the Sendo X.

Ok, but that doesnt matter.. The point is that the OGG player that works for the
Sendo X/X does not let you play MP3 files, only OGG files... Hence for me
and many others it is useless!

I am not going into the cumbersome process of converting files everytime
I want to transfer them to my music-device...

That is the point!!

What version are you using? the non-MMF Sendo version should be able to play MP3 - try v1.04.

messus wrote:Ok, but that doesnt matter.. The point is that the OGG player that works for the
Sendo X/X does not let you play MP3 files, only OGG files... Hence for me
and many others it is useless!

I am not going into the cumbersome process of converting files everytime
I want to transfer them to my music-device...

That is the point!!

??? What do you mean, cumbersome? You can select all your mp3's at once and convert them to the .ogg format. Ok, this takes a while if you have a few thousand mp3's, but you'll only have to do it once...

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Sendo X sucks. Still no stable phone calls and still such lovely headaches.

I did try disable the phone divert.... but what does this mean?

What is a divert #?

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Hahaha, lol, long time no see dude. This thread was gettin boring...(NOT) Don't get your question though...