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In defense of the Nokia E90...

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Hi Steve,

Just a few comments.

1) Which is the best PIM for E90 (It MUST sync with Outlook)?
2) I bought a screen protector for less than 7� for both the E90 screens and though you lose out on screen brightness, they protect the screen fine, but the scratching problem DOES exist. Hopefully you can suggest this solution to your visitors
3) I have used every single PDA / Communicator (9000,9210, 9300, Palm Treo 750v, HTC TyTN, Nokia E61i, n95, etc) and nothing beats the E90 for many reasons, but especially 3 a) decent battery life b) web browsing is a viable and QUICK proposition c) Lots of free RAM. Nothing from the competition can do this. I mean do people want to be using a Stylus (Windows Mobile) to dial?
4) I hope that the camera button WILL be corrected with the firmware, it's a pity as I don't use the camera half as much as I would like to, due to this problem

Thanks and await your response
Jorge

@ Unregistered:

Who brings "unproductive flame of wars" in a simple discussion about a phone ?! Don't be so agressive in your responses, don't always feel personally attacked ! Don't turn other's sentences into weapons !

Maybe you should at least start SIGNING your posts if you intend to criticize others. What are you afraid of? Are you ashamed of what you write? The difference between me and you is that I always sign my posts with my real name because I am not ashamed of my opinions.

Regarding flame wars, everybody can see who's aggressive. It doesn't even take reading your posts, it is enough to count the exclamation marks you put after each sentence. It's really funny that you YELL at me to stop being aggressive.

I came to this thread to tell MiniME that it is impolite to accuse Steve of being sponsored by Nokia and to ask everybody to discuss about how S60 can be improved to make it more Communicator-optimized. It is YOU and Andrew Orlowski who keep pushing this discussion in a wrong direction - judging others and inciting personal arguments instead of having a constructive debate about the E90. Everybody can see it.

We are not in My-Symbian here...

Again, the difference between me and you HERE is that I take my part in this discussion as a RIGHTFUL, REGISTERED, PUBLIC member of this community, while you keep posting ANONYMOUSLY, without even bothering to sign your posts with a first name or a nickname. So please do not admonish me. Register, start signing your posts, become a LEGITIMATE member of this forum and then we'll talk.

As for whether it's My-Symbian forum or not, Steve is a frequent and very welcome poster on my forums so I don't have problems with coming here (very rarely) and posting my comments. It's the owners of this website with who I can talk about what I write here and definitely not some anonymous, unregistered, quarrelsome person like you.

I decided to stop answering : it's not worth it

Let's see if you are able to keep your promise. Doubtful. I know this kind of people and they just can't stop and always need to have the last word.

I must agree. I stopped visiting My-Symbian because of the over-bearing, over-protective attitude of its owner...

The way you answer you own posts (pretending that there are other people agreeing with you) is really funny.

Oh, and by the way, it was exactly when quarrelsome people like you stopped visiting My-Symbian when the discussions calmed down and started being constructive and productive. For two months or so whe haven't had a single argument on our forums. So all I can say is: THANK YOU for leaving us alone, the remaining 108.000 members only benefited from it.

Now, can you finally stop talking about me and my website and start discussing what this thread is about? I don't think anyone here is interested in your anonymous complaints about how I run My-Symbian. People come here to talk about the E90 and you simply DISTURB them.

well, i think i can live with most of the issues of the E90.
But as some others here i cannot understand why Nokia hasn't improved the PIM apps on the device so that they are at least competitive to that on S80 devices.

For example the lack of native HTML mail support is a thing i absolutely don't understand. Microsoft in comparison implemented it in WM6, Nokias newest flag ship device don't have it in contrast to its predecessor...

And to be honest, at this price level i'm not willing to buy third party apps for getting basic functionality like other devices have them.
On the other hand, the E90 is a really good and feature rich device. All the more i wonder why Nokia hasn't put some more work in such damn basic apps...

I cannot agree more with the person's opinion who stated that the external D-pad of E90 is very easy to use, but extremely inconvenient to use the internal D-pad of E90.

I cannot comprehend why Nokia did not incorporate the very same external D-pad of E90 also for the internal D-pad. I guess it considered that it will be better to incoporate this inconvinient D-pad in order to match it with the very stiff and uncomfartable keys of the QWERTY keyboard.

I wish Nokia had done the contrary, i.e. exchange the D-pads, because the D-pad of the QWERTY is more important. After all this is a Communicator.

tav. My-Symbian

I have no doubt that you write perfectly good reviews, and I also have no doubt that your knowledge of all things Symbian is greater than mine. I also sympathise with your attitude towards mt. orlowski. However, your attack on him would no doubt have been rewarded with a stern warning for "going off topic" over on My-Symbian.

I also find it ironic that you are over here at AAS blowing your own trumpet, when I have read many posts by you about how much better My-Symbian is than AAS... which is a pity, as your attitude is the main reason that I no longer go to your site. I have visited and used many forums over the years, and yours is by far the most unpleasant, with the most argumentative member being its owner...

BDSawicki wrote:I find the e90 a very good replacement for these devices. And I believe Nokia has made a huge step forward with this device... I am a very happy user of mine e90.

Fancy that!

Back in April, you wrote:

For almost two years I am struggling with my 9500 and its lack of ms outlook categories support, which is a real pain given number of tasks I have constantly to move from a task list to task list and from category to category.

This is the main reason I am considering buying a WM6 device instead of e90 - although I would by far prefer the E90...

Poor PIM's synchronisation with MS-Outlook (no categories, no notes) was also the main reason most of my workmates decided to go for a blackberry rather than the 9300/9500.

How to understand Nokia's policy? So easy to understand why the enterprise division is performing so poorly. So many great devices, but the software and lack of compatibility with key business tools...


http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/print?board.id=pcsuite&message.id=7810&page=2&format=all

and


I have been using symbian phones (9210i & 9500) for quite a long time and since the 9500 am suffering from poor intergration thereof with MS Outlook (no categories support for any type of entries).

and


Although I would really love to go for an e90, I am under impression far more seems (in terms of usability) to be available on the WM devices. And that this will go on - MS will link the WM smartphones into the PC world more and more, with benefit for the users, while Nokia/symbian will stick to what a few years ago took breath away but now is a bare must.


So you don't need that Outlook functionality any more?

Strange, that.

I knew you wouldn't keep your promise. And I knew you wouldn't start signing your posts. No comments...

Unregistered wrote:I have no doubt that you write perfectly good reviews, and I also have no doubt that your knowledge of all things Symbian is greater than mine. I also sympathise with your attitude towards mt. orlowski. However, your attack on him

My WHAT? Attack? Very funny.

I also find it ironic that you are over here at AAS blowing your own trumpet

I post on this forum ONCE or TWICE A YEAR. And only when someone mentions me in an article or post, like Steve did. For your information, Steve Litchfield posts more messages on my forums A QUARTER than what I posted here ever since I registered on this site in 2002.

when I have read many posts by you about how much better My-Symbian is than AAS...

What do you mean by "many"? Two? And when did you read them? Probably when My-Symbian simply WAS more popular, more frequently updated and more frequently visited than AAS, which was the case between 1999 and 2006 and everybody knows that. In 2006 AAS took the lead, and everybody knows that, too.

which is a pity, as your attitude is the main reason that I no longer go to your site. I have visited and used many forums over the years, and yours is by far the most unpleasant, with the most argumentative member being its owner...

And I already told you: who do you think cares here about your personal opinions about me and My-Symbian? NO ONE, not even I. So why don't you finally stop spamming this otherwise interesting thread?

Anyway, that's the last anonymous post I'm wasting my time on. Stop behaving like a coward and start signing your posts if you intend to criticize other people, or don't expect any further answers.

Michel, your replies here show us how you now view the world. Rather like George W Bush, someone is either "with us or against us".

But do get your facts right:

My-Symbian.com wrote:I haven't seen you writing a single positive word about any Symbian OS based device. P800 - bad. 9500 - bad. P900 and P910 - bad. P990i - bad. E90 - bad.

P800:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/27/sonyericsson_p800_survives_the_hype/
P900:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/12/03/sony_ericsson_p900_smartphone/
9300:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/01/nokia_9300_longterm_test/

You're really developing one hell of a persection complex.

Now - guess what? I don't care what's in the device. I don't care if it's Symbian, Windows or Atari TOS. I don't care if it's one box, or one of two. I don't care about getting cute texts from the vendor's marketing guys, playing with their prototypes, or going to their parties.

I only care if it's a good product.

When did you get so tribal and narrow-minded? By viewing people as partisans, or as factions of fanboys, you rob them of the possibility that they might actually be making a rational choice. You also rob them of a lot of free will. I don't know which came first: whether you stopped seeing ordinary people as rational, or whether you've been writing about Symbian smartphones so long, anyone who doesn't have one must be, by definition, be viewed irrationally. But either way, it isn't a nice way to look at your fellow man.

So let's start discussing about what Nokia should do to make the S60 platform Communicator capable.

No, and here's a hint. If you rephrase it as:

Let's see what Nokia needs to do to make a great Communicator!

or, better still -

What should a great Communicator look like?

... then you might get some results. I've been doing this for months.

Michel, Mihel, etc.

Andrzej aka Andrew, being of Polish origin, are you really unable to spell my first name correctly or do you keep doing it on purpose? But if it's really too difficult for you, you can always copy it from my signature contained in the post you're replying to. Easy, huh?

your replies here show us how you now view the world. Rather like George W Bush, someone is either "with us or against us".

You're really developing one hell of a persection complex.

When did you get so tribal and narrow-minded?

When did you get so rude and unfriendly? You used to be a nice person but now you are unable to post a single message without any insult or personal judgements. Excuse me but this level of discussion is not acceptable for me. Cure your megalomania and let me know, then we'll continue.

Goodbye.

My-Symbian.com wrote:

Andrew, I understand that you don't like the E90. That's understandable. There's no device on Earth that would suit everybody. And I also understand many of your concerns, most of them are valid ones. And I too miss the Series 80 UI and, even more, I miss the Hildon UI, and everytime I look at my N800 Internet Tablet and I remind myself that the Hildon based Communicator was almost ready in 2003 and Nokia for some mysterious reasons cancelled it and killed something that would certainly turn into most successful PDA-phone on the market I get really sad and disappointed.

What I don't understand from your articles and posts, however, is that you're *NOW* so negative towards lack of fax and the S60 UI in the E90. For God's sake, you KNEW that the E90 would be S60 based and lacking fax for a loooong time. If not from other sources, then at least from my first pre-preview of the E90 published in December 2006 (and then removed on Nokia's request but copied on numerous websites all around the net). I'd understand a novice user who didn't know what S60 is and only realised that he doesn't like it after buying the E90. But you're a pro and you know what S60 is, how it works and looks like from dozens of other phone models. So what surprised you so negatively?

Another thing is that I can't remind myself of ANY Symbian OS based device released in the last 2 or 3 years you wouldn't totally condemn. Which means that you most probably don't like them all. And if so, then maybe you should simply ignore the whole Symbian OS market and start working with Windows Mobile devices or maybe the upcoming Linux smartphones? Why waste so much energy on something that doesn't suit you at all?

As I wrote, there's nothing wrong with listing drawbacks and complaining about them as it can only help make future firmware releases and new models better. But complaining all the time about the E90 being S60-based simply doesn't make sense, even if we both would very much prefer it to have Series 80 or Hildon UI. It doesn't have one and it's clear that it (or any future Communicator) won't have one because Nokia chose to limit itself to the S60 platform in all their Symbian OS based devices. One can repeat that S60 in a Communicator device is a cr*p but it won't change a thing. So why not get more constructive instead and start discussing about how to make S60 better and more suitable for Communicator devices instead of repeating like a broken record that it's bad and that's it....? That's precisely what Steve tries to do with his article.

Regarding the lack of fax (in all recent smartphones on the market, not just in E90), as Steve wrote, fax service unfortunately isn't supported by 3G and 3.5G networks. Yes, it would be really nice to still have fax in E90, but I can imagine all the complaints about the device switching itself to 2.5G on any fax activity. Would you be happy if your E90 was automatically closing its active 3G/HSDPA session and switching to 2G everytime someone called your fax number, sometimes maybe even by mistake? And it probably imposes numerous other restrictions and problems I can't imagine at the moment. So it's not just Nokia's decision, it's also a problem of fax service being considered obsolete by 3.xG networks...

To be honest, I do not see anything wrong with these statements. If you took offense from the above remarks and replied to this in a very offensive way like "...I'm very sorry for you. Please treat them (your readers) with respect and intelligence - and try look at the bigger picture", then I think you need a bit self-criticism, what do you think? In fact your first reply was extremely better then the subsequent ones, but I just wanted to show who started what. I know you will not give a shit to my comment, as I have found you pigheaded, but I just want something from you and the people alike as an ordinary reader who follows AAS: I wanna read stuff about Symbian smartphones in AAS, which is its very purpose. In this respect I am open to CONSTRUCTIVE comments and criticisms. I don't wanna read some peoples' arrogant and offensive comments stating some uber numbers and statistics of how many people read his blog, how his blog is better than from someone else's blog and et cetera. Otherwise I would recommend you to discuss these thru personal messages or any other means.

Exactly. Anyone who keeps claiming that his site is the best run, has the highest number of visitors, has no arguments (yeah, right) etc. is probably wrong...

And to do this in a thread about a review of a mobile device on another forum is simply inappropriate...

I have been reading sites on symbian for a while now and every so often I see the owner of my-symbian getting into arguments with people, he always comes across as a complete tosser and I know longer visit his website because of his arrogant attitude.

Just felt compelled to add my two cents, and I hope he goes away and leaves us to continue discussing symbian things on this much better website which he is obviously jealous of.

Unregistered wrote:I have been reading sites on symbian for a while now and every so often I see the owner of my-symbian getting into arguments with people, he always comes across as a complete tosser and I know longer visit his website because of his arrogant attitude.

Just felt compelled to add my two cents, and I hope he goes away and leaves us to continue discussing symbian things on this much better website which he is obviously jealous of.

It seems that you are the non-signing unregistered person, as you continue to support orlowski.

You may be right, I didn't notice that whether my-symbian guy is someone as you described. He may be someone like that, even worse, who knows? But the only thing I see in this particular discussion is that he didn't offend anyone, he simply stated his own opinions, and the guy registered as mr. orlowski attacked him in a very offensive and arrogant way.

My point is that, there is an expression in my language which reads "to end up guilty, when in fact you are innocent, because of your inappropriate and over reaction". So may be, considering my-symbian guy's alleged previous inappropriate attitudes, mr. orlowski and the non-signing unregistered person were 100% right about their remarks. But as I expressed in my previous post, my-symbian's owner's remarks were not offensive, IMO, in any respect; and some people gave reactions that were really offensive, inappropriate, arrogant, and may be more importantly, irrelevant to such that they involved personal stuff like their own success and other's failure etc. If you read the posts carefully you will see who started the quarrel.

I don't focus on who is a good guy or whose forum is better or whose past attitudes were offensive or who started these kind of stuff in the past. I don't even know my-symbian's or orlowski's past as to whether they have ever attacked to themselves or to some other folks. I just focus particularly on this quarrel, and it is very obvious who did what in this argument.

Anywyz, that's my opinion in the end, whether you share or not. I hope we will not see anymore these kind of non-relevant discussions and people learn to respect and tolerate others opinions in such circumstances in which there is absolutely no need to be offended.

Unregistered wrote:every so often I see the owner of my-symbian getting into arguments with people, he always comes across as a complete tosser and I know longer visit his website because of his arrogant attitude.

Every so often I see rowdy people like you turning interesting threads into personal quarrels and flame wars. So many people already wrote that they want to talk about the E90 and not about your emotional problems and your opinions about other websites and their owners, but you just won't stop. WHO do you think cares here about what you think about me? No one, not even I. And I already told you so. But your intention is apparently to keep the flame burning. ANONYMOUSLY, as always. What a COWARDICE.

Everybody can easily check who started the argument in this thread, who turned turned it to a personal row. It definitely wasn't me, and it's as easy to check as reading my posts and your and Orlowski's answers to them. In this whole thread, I haven't used even a single rude or offensive word, nor did I write anything personal. Your posts are the best example of what I got in exchange - they're SOAKING with unfriendly personal comments.

It's AMAZING that people like you offend me here and stubbornly keep spamming this thread with personal and completely off-topic comments yet at the same time they say that it is me who misbehaves. And it's also amazing that there is NO MODERATOR TO REACT. If such a thing happened on my forums, myself or other moderator would take care of it long ago, especially if it concerned the owner or editor of a friendly (? - not so sure about it anymore) website. I'm starting to think that defaming me and my website is actually CONVENIENT for owners of this website, hence no reaction.

It's very sad that Steve Litchfield ignores this. I took my part in this discussion to SUPPORT you Steve because I felt that accusing you of being sponsored by Nokia by one of your members was very unfair and untrue. I didn't mind that you used my name several times in your article, even though you didn't even ask me, and I think you should have. Now that I am being attacked this way on your website because of coming here to support you, I thought you'd at least express your opinion. But you apparently don't care. OK, I've learned something new today.

I hope he goes away and leaves us to continue discussing symbian things

First of all, it is YOU who stubbornly and permanently disturbs talking about Symbian in this thread by posting such personal comments. Secondly, I am a registered, rightful member here signing my posts with my real name, while you are not even a member of this community, stubbornly attacking me ANONYMOUSLY despite my numerous requests to sign your posts if you intend to criticize or judge other people. Thirdly, if you wanted to say something to me knowing that I'm reading, you should have simply addressed it to me. Writing to someone in third person is a plain BOORISHNESS.

on this much better website which he is obviously jealous of.

If majority of this website's users are like you, then I'm afraid there is nothing to be jealous of. Quantity and quality are two different things. One of the good things about My-Symbian is that we get rid of rowdy people like you very quickly which helps the remaining users benefit from discussions on a DECENT level. I think I must have banned you on my site for your trouble-making and rowdy attitude and that's the reason why you hate me so much.

Regarding comparisons between this website and My-Symbian, you know, my website was launched in 1999 and during almost 7 years between 1999 and 2006 it was the most popular and the largest Symbian OS community in the Internet, and actually the only one that counted during the first two or three years. That's ENOUGH for me to be happy and feel satisfied. AAS' current popularity, surpassing My-Symbian's, is the OBVIOUS RESULT of them going commercial, building a large team of editors, being London based just several kilometres away from Symbian and Nokia's one of the largest European divisions and having a much bigger budget than I (for isntance: I do not attend conferences or fairs simply because I can't pay for the flight and hotel). I run my website as a hobby in my spare time, I'm located far from Symbian and Nokia, I run my website alone and, the most importantly, I DO NOT WANT my site to be a business. I am HAPPY with what I achieved over the last 8 years despite many limitations and difficulties compared to AAS. I do not have any reasons to be jealous of anything after those successful 8 years. If you have any problems with that, live with them. They're YOUR problems, not mine.

😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮

:redface:

Back to the topic

Nearly everyone at work who is planning to replace their phone in Oct-Dec has asked me about my E90. I would say over 50% of the people are thinking of getting the E90 (especially now that data tariffs are better value in the UK) and main reasons, inner screen resolution, Mail Exchange and the keyboard. My main worry is that not all of them are going to like the PIM so I will need to make sure they all upgrade.

You are confusing me with someone else My-symbian my only post other than this one is the one with the frown in it.

This is the arrogance that you display:
"It's very sad that Steve Litchfield ignores this. I took my part in this discussion to SUPPORT you Steve because I felt that accusing you of being sponsored by Nokia by one of your members was very unfair and untrue. I didn't mind that you used my name several times in your article, even though you didn't even ask me, and I think you should have. Now that I am being attacked this way on your website because of coming here to support you, I thought you'd at least express your opinion. But you apparently don't care. OK, I've learned something new today."

Please leave people alone.

Unregistered wrote:You are confusing me with someone else My-symbian

So maybe you should start SIGNING your posts or register an account. What is your problem with that? Are you ashamed of what you write? Do you think it is OK and fair to judge and offend other people anonymously? No, it isn't. But it only says about yourself.

This is the arrogance that you display:

That paragraph was addressed to Steve Litchfield, not to you. So kindly leave it alone.

Please leave people alone.

Yes, I will leave this unfriendly forum, right now. But definitely not because some anonymous coward tells me so but because it's simply not worth wasting my time here on such personal arguments with unfriendly people while I can spend it with much nicer and friendlier members of my own forum.

Goodbye.

"Yes, I will leave this unfriendly forum, right now. But definitely not because some anonymous coward tells me so but because it's simply not worth wasting my time here on such personal arguments with unfriendly people while I can spend it with nice and friendly members of my own forum."

Because you rule those forums like a torrent and try to impose yourself on other forums as well. You manage to constantly come across as an egotistical tosser and fail to even think about your ways, this is the way of psycho-paths.

I really should not respond to anonymous insults but it's really hard to ignore such lies.

Unregistered wrote:Because you rule those forums like a torrent

I already told you: nobody forces people to use my forum and they're free to leave it anytime. Yet I have 108.000 members, dozens of new registrations daily and more new posts a day than on any other Symbian forum, even though new members are only able to post after 48 hours which is a serious limitation and makes many impatient visitors go somewhere else. A huge part of my visitors registered many years ago and they still use the site. The total number of posts is very slightly lower than on AAS only because it wasn't possible to import nearly 80.000 messages from the usenet news server I had before switching to web-based forums in 2002 or else we'd have 400.000 messages.

These figures speak for themselves, so face the reality and stop writing rubbish. If people didn't like the way I run my forums, they wouldn't be using them. No matter if you like it or not, my forums are the oldest and still the most popular Symbian OS community in the Internet. You don't have to accept it but it won't change a thing: tens of thousands of people have been using my forums for 8 years because they LIKE them and find them useful and informative and not because someone forces them. Deal with it, if it's not too hard for your narrow mind only capable of anonymously insulting others.

and try to impose yourself on other forums as well.

Really? What precisely "other forums" are you talking about? Allaboutsymbian is THE ONLY Symbian forum but my own I've ever posted on. Yes, you read it correctly: THE ONLY ONE. Try and find a single post of mine on ANY other Symbian forum. Regarding AAS, it is enough to check my archival posts. I post on this site ONLY when someone mentions me or my website like Steve Litchfield did in his article, which happens once or twice a year; I do not come here for any other reason but to comment on what has been written about me or my website, which I have the right to do. AAS editors post on my forums much more frequently and no one treats them this way. If you can't stand my posts on this forum, there is a simple solution: don't write about me here and be sure I'll never have any reason to come to this unfriendly place again.

So again, what you write is plain rubbish.

You manage to constantly come across as an egotistical tosser and fail to even think about your ways, this is the way of psycho-paths.

And you keep insulting me ANONYMOUSLY, which only shows what a STINKY COWARD you are. But I know your reasons: I'm sure I must have banned you on my forums for inciting similar personal quarrels as this one and insulting other people, and now you're revenging. But it only confirms that getting rid of rowdy people like you is a GOOD decision. It's only a pity that such outcasts / exiles come here to AAS and keep inciting conflicts and offending people, with no AAS moderator to take care of it, either intentionally or simply because this site is that poorly moderated.

You keep trying to put down AllAboutSymbian. This is the kind of behavior that results in you loosing respect. If you think your site is so good then go away please and leave this one alone. I like most of the readers like this site much better compared to the poorly laid out one that you try to run.

As for calling these sites poorly moderated, at least there is some degree of freedom of speech. However I feel this conversation has outlasted it's usefulness and so will now stop posting.

Good day to you sir.

And thanks to the people who run this great site!

OK, we have to respect our opinions and selections, right? Nobody can force someone to believe that red is the best color or Mr. X's opinion is true.

On the other hand there are some theories to which nobody can object. Such as 2x2=4.

A reasonable and mentally normal person who would read all the posts in this discussion will easily see that i) who started what ii) who used arrogant words ii) who turned this thread to forum wars. It is SOOOOOOOOOO evident as 2x2=4.

In this respect, I want to tell something to the last unregistered person posted in this thread --there are 3 possibilities with respect to your stance against Michal: i)you either did not read ALL previous posts in this thread ii)or you did read but you find Michal the one needed to be blamed iii) or you did not even read any posts, but attacked to Michal because of your pre-existing hate against him. Then I would say, for the first one, "why didn't you read ALL posts in this fierce quarrel before insulting to Michal?", for the second one, "then you are not a reasonable person as I described above because of not seeing 2x2=4", and for the third one I would say 2 things, "then discuss your already existing problem with him through personal messages or e-mail etc., as I said in my previous posts" and "then you are most probably the previous unregistered person who insulted Michal and you are pretending to be confused by Michal".

You know what, I don't why, but my heart says that 3rd one is highly possible.

And let me tell you guys something. I didn't know what my-symbian and who Michal Jerz is until this quarrel because I consider myself pretty new to these stuff, and so far I am trying to keep myself abreast through AAS, and since I find it the best source, I will keep on like that.

But I couldn't resist to defend this guy against all these inappropriate, arrogant and insulting remarks that were said in a extremely irrelevant venue.

Lastly, ostensibly the rudest things that Michal said thus far were the ones against Steve which directly concerns Michal's relation with Steve that would not concern any of us. If he had told that "Steve, where are you, don't you see these people? Why don't you dismiss them and terminate their registration?", then we would have the right to say "Leave people alone".

Anywyz, these are my opinions, I am not someone pigheaded, but this time yes, I am, because it is extremely evident like 2x2=4 that Michal is not the culprit!

Unregistered wrote:You keep trying to put down AllAboutSymbian.

No. I am doing the OBVIOUS comparison: I am comparing two most popular Symbian OS communities. What in your opinion should I be comparing my website to if not the other website covering the same topics, with similar history, traffic and visitor count? And it's not something to be ashamed of that my forums have more posts a day than AAS and that my website is older. Mentioning it is not putting AAS down, it's STATING FACTS about my website.

But while we're at who keeps doing what, you stubbornly keep posting your insults and personal judgements ANONYMOUSLY, despite so many requests that you start behaving like a civilized person and SIGN your posts if you want to judge or criticize someone. But you keep proving what a coward and boor you are.

This is the kind of behavior that results in you loosing respect.

Whose respect? YOURS? Come on.

If you think your site is so good

It is 108.000 of my forum members and 1,8 million visits / 15 million page impressions a month that say if my site is good or not. It's not my opinion.

then go away please and leave this one alone.

I already told you: I am a registered, rightful member here while you are an anonymous coward posting insults anonymously, afraid to sign your posts. You don't have ANY right to tell me if I can use this forum or not or what I can do here. Register, become a legitimate member, start signing your posts and then we'll talk.

I like most of the readers like this site much better compared to the poorly laid out one that you try to run.

Fleas on my dog matter more to me than your opinion about me and my website, so kindly keep it for yourself.

As for calling these sites poorly moderated, at least there is some degree of freedom of speech.

Indeed, unlimited freedom to anonymously insult people, which is what you've been doing for several days and no moderator cares about it.

However I feel this conversation has outlasted it's usefulness and so will now stop posting.

Thanks God.

Good day to you sir.

Farewell.

mg428 wrote:In this respect, I want to tell something to the last unregistered person posted in this thread --there are 3 possibilities with respect to your stance against Michal: i)you either did not read ALL previous posts in this thread ii)or you did read but you find Michal the one needed to be blamed iii) or you did not even read any posts, but attacked to Michal because of your pre-existing hate against him. Then I would say, for the first one, "why didn't you read ALL posts in this fierce quarrel before insulting to Michal?", for the second one, "then you are not a reasonable person as I described above because of not seeing 2x2=4", and for the third one I would say 2 things, "then discuss your already existing problem with him through personal messages or e-mail etc., as I said in my previous posts" and "then you are most probably the previous unregistered person who insulted Michal and you are pretending to be confused by Michal".

You know what, I don't why, but my heart says that 3rd one is highly possible.

And let me tell you guys something. I didn't know what my-symbian and who Michal Jerz is until this quarrel because I consider myself pretty new to these stuff, and so far I am trying to keep myself abreast through AAS, and since I find it the best source, I will keep on like that.

But I couldn't resist to defend this guy against all these inappropriate, arrogant and insulting remarks that were said in a extremely irrelevant venue.

Lastly, ostensibly the rudest things that Michal said thus far were the ones against Steve which directly concerns Michal's relation with Steve that would not concern any of us. If he had told that "Steve, where are you, don't you see these people? Why don't you dismiss them and terminate their registration?", then we would have the right to say "Leave people alone".

Anywyz, these are my opinions, I am not someone pigheaded, but this time yes, I am, because it is extremely evident like 2x2=4 that Michal is not the culprit!

Why did this person use the name of mg428 ? Because he couldn't blame "unregistered" ones being himself Unregistered.
Why did not he register then ? Maybe because he is already registered under another name. His way of speaking recalls me someone (...). You will find another of his post easily as he uses the word "anywyz".
It is evident as 2x2=4

Hey guy what I meant with registration was also including signing/endorsing your name. I haven't registered yet. That's true. Because I didn't see a need for that, since, thanks to AAS, it is possible to post comments without registration, unlike many other forums such as Nokia Discussions.

I am who I am. I am no one else. I use this nickname everywhere including venues that require registration.

But....(and its a HUGE but) it seems that you, without neither registering nor signing your posts, as a Mr. Coward, now started to sign your posts with my nickname instead of posting as unregistered. You are simply phenomenal man! Are you playing the matrix or something? Trying to confuse other people's minds??

Reaching a conclusion due to the frequent usage of the word "anywyz" and attributing it, very surely, to a single person and considering this fact similar to 2x2=4 theory perfectly demonstrates a person of your caliber(!)

I don't need to register or do something else in order to prove who I am but if you wanna see something, just search me on Nokia Discussions, Howard Forums, and you may type "broken N95" or "slider problem N95" to the search field of youtube and check the videos I posted.

BTW, you are such a great guy. I am highly expecting that you will register to AAS through the nickname "mg428". Go ahead! I wouldn't mind, Mr. Coward, as I mentioned I don't need registration for AAS and am always ready to disclose my identity, unlike you, Mr. Coward.

PS. You might have noticed the stressing on the phrase Mr. Coward. I am guessing that you found it more genuine and intimate for you. Although you have signed your last post by using someone else's nickname, IMO this is a huge development because it demonstrates that you started to get accustomed to sign your posts, regardless of whether you use a nickname of your own product or not. So why don't you take another step and use "Mr. Coward" instead? I bet everybody will acknowledge you, don't worry! After all the very purpose of signing posts is to be recognized by other people, right? Then there does not exist any other nickname that describes you better and that would be better recognized by other people. Good idea, huh?

mg428 (the real one, but not exclusive, because not one's nickname, but whether he discloses hisself under any circumstances is the thing that is material)

mg428 wrote:Hey guy what I meant with registration was also including signing/endorsing your name. I haven't registered yet. That's true. Because I didn't see a need for that, since, thanks to AAS, it is possible to post comments without registration, unlike many other forums such as Nokia Discussions.

I am who I am. I am no one else. I use this nickname everywhere including venues that require registration.

But....(and its a HUGE but) it seems that you, without neither registering nor signing your posts, as a Mr. Coward, now started to sign your posts with my nickname instead of posting as unregistered. You are simply phenomenal man! Are you playing the matrix or something? Trying to confuse other people's minds??

Reaching a conclusion due to the frequent usage of the word "anywyz" and attributing it, very surely, to a single person and considering this fact similar to 2x2=4 theory perfectly demonstrates a person of your caliber(!)

I don't need to register or do something else in order to prove who I am but if you wanna see something, just search me on Nokia Discussions, Howard Forums, and you may type "broken N95" or "slider problem N95" to the search field of youtube and check the videos I posted.

BTW, you are such a great guy. I am highly expecting that you will register to AAS through the nickname "mg428". Go ahead! I wouldn't mind, Mr. Coward, as I mentioned I don't need registration for AAS and am always ready to disclose my identity, unlike you, Mr. Coward.

PS. You might have noticed the stressing on the phrase Mr. Coward. I am guessing that you found it more genuine and intimate for you. Although you have signed your last post by using someone else's nickname, IMO this is a huge development because it demonstrates that you started to get accustomed to sign your posts, regardless of whether you use a nickname of your own product or not. So why don't you take another step and use "Mr. Coward" instead? I bet everybody will acknowledge you, don't worry! After all the very purpose of signing posts is to be recognized by other people, right? Then there does not exist any other nickname that describes you better and that would be better recognized by other people. Good idea, huh?

mg428 (the real one, but not exclusive, because not one's nickname, but whether he discloses hisself under any circumstances is the thing that is material)

Michal, I only used "mg428" in order to prove that anyone can use this name, and it wasn't the way to blame the many "Unregistered" persons of this forum. Because we are MANY who made the mistake to answer you. Whereas you are the ONLY ONE - with false identities - among your 108.000 members : you can invent any nickname, one will always recognise your warlike style and YOUR confused mind.
I did not read your entire response because it is really not worth it. I now understand why you can't continue to write on your own forum... And if you need a moderator, it is just because you can't moderate yourself. (But I am not sure it is a moderator you need).
As many others, I won't answer you any more : you can put your "last word" if it gives you relief. But I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for that.

You idiot I am not Michal OK?? If you have watched the videos I posted on youtube you would have understood that I am someone living in the U.S.A!

I think, as you mentioned, there is no need to waste more time on this discussion, as it has become so awkward, with people like you seeing dreams!

OK you are absolutely right. Sorry for disturbing other people. I was saying that people should not be offensive, but I couldn't stop myself saying some stuff as well.

Is there any news regarding the upcoming batch? Also I was wondering whether someone also get his E90 repaired? What part do they fixed and how did they fixed? Thru replacement of the entire motherboard, as said by many people, or through other means?

I was sent a message I should check out this thread - apologies I wasn't here earlier - I don't keep track of / read all the older threads for news comments (maybe I should!).

Please guys can we keep this discussion on topic and be civil to each other. I wont call out specific people or issue warnings this time, but please think before posting.

There's really no need to insult Michal (My-Symbian). He's taken the time to come along and express his views. Indeed there's no point in being rude to anyone at all as it tends to undermine anything else you might say!

As I have said many times AAS and My-Symbian get along just fine. I would consider them complimentary in any case and they suit different people (or people visit both).

As a note of moderation - yes I there is a policy of very light moderation here on AAS. The only stuff that's really out is illegal activities. Users are also asked to be civil to each other. I've never had to being particularly forceful about this as I hope people can respect different opinions. I'll try and keep a closer eye on things for the next few weeks. If people are upset by a particular post please email me as I wont always see it or consider how it might offend someone

Anonymous posting is allowed in the news comment forum because I believe it encourages people to contribute. However I'm always open to re-evaluating the above - any feedback is welcome.