I can't resist linking over to AAS regular Matt Radford's latest post over on All About iPhone, talking about why the release of the S60 5th Edition-powered Nokia 5800 XpressMusic is going to be good for the Apple iPhone. At the latter's launch, the talk was on how it would be good for the mainstream phone industry - both views were absolutely right, as is Matt's observation that there will never be a 'winner' or a 'finish line' in this industry, just continuing advancement and improvement.
Read on in the full article.
Didn't notice before that you have sister allaboutiphone site!? Well, please tell him to put a proper tube photo at least!
[troll comments removed - Steve]
Teo
This is going to spark a huge iPhone debate.
I in the whole agree with you. Apple are new to the game and they have a lot to learn but to advertise the phone in the way they did is wrong, taking credit for introducing services and technologies that have been around in the mobile market for many years.
I think the apple interface is good and the capacitive touchscreen is 1 of the best but they have a lot to learn.
The best thing they have done is made other manufacturers stand up and think but in terms of pure convergence Samsung, Nokia and even SE are way ahead of apple and at the moment with all of the web services and and integrating the mobile concept into peoples life Nokia is the leader.
I cant wait to see Nokia's future touch devices and I no doubt get a 5800.
Steve,
Removing all of them comments seemed unfair. It was a bit harsh but there was a lot of truth in everything said!
Do you think it is wrong for people to be anti-iPhone?
Troll comment!? WTF?! Why my post is censored Steve? What is wrong with it? Just curious why my opinion about iPhone is not acceptable here? Haven't post here in awhile and now I think I know why!
Have a nice and long weekend Steve,
Teo
No, we're all for objective and critical comment. But childish abuse and immature rantings just make the site look silly.
If Teo's got a reasoned argument for what he says then fine. But just name calling makes him look like a 8 year old.
By the way, it's worth pointing out that All About iPhone.net isn't part of Rafe's All About Symbian empire(!). The only connections are the similar name and the fact that Matt and I, from here, both write stuff for it.
As an iphone user and former Nokia S60 user I have to say the iphone is an advance in user interface/media player/browser but as a phone its fails to deliver. The reception it provides in marginal areas is a lot poorer than a Nokia. My main reason for choosing the iphone over another Nokia is the lack of progress in S60 with regard to user interface/application management and the fact that all of my music/media files are in itunes, I am hoping that an N-series touch product and better Nokia pc applications (less resources/converged application for all sync operations/music/media support on pc) will deliver the best of both worlds and tempt me back to the Nokia camp in several months time.
Than leave my comment and let others to decide if it is childish or not!? Appreciate your opinion but this is not the right way and censoring my post is childish move actually.
Ok I believe you than why is one iPhone related site is listed on the AAS front page!?
Actually, forget it, I don't care, leave it as is.
CU
Teo
I would have left your comment, in context, if other posts had preceded it. But your post was the very first in the thread and I didn't want the subject mater diluted by people debating responses to your troll text - I'd rather people debated the post in question by Matt and his topic.
The AAI link on the AAS front page is a courtesy link to a friend's site. E.g. the one to 3-Lib. It doesn't mean that Rafe and Matt are joined at the hip.
Thanks for the article, and summing up a strong point(for me at least). That being, “It’s all about the competition.” As a consumer that’s what I desire, to push the development of products forward(no matter which brand). In short, I welcome as many players as possible onto the playing field, that being the market. 😉
* I ported the comment from original site.
Well Apocalypto's post is up in full on AAi, so if anyone wants to read it, then head on over.
Look, I could have titled the article "Why the Nokia 5800 is good news for [insert any or all similar phones in that particular market segment]" but I didn't think it was such a snappy title!
The key point I wanted to make is that the entrance of Nokia into this segment is going to raise everyone's expectations of what these devices can do, and lower the bar to mass-market take-up. Two years from now, touchscreen devices are going to be absolutely everywhere, and Apple could well fall behind*.
Cheers
Matt
*Yes, I know that they are already behind the times with the camera, etc, but sales of the device are still very good for a new entrant.
Steve,
I haven't seen the original comment that you deleted, so I am going by what A posted on the site you have linked to. Other than the fact that he goes ad hominem on Steve Jobs(totally uncalled for) and uses some language that one would not use on a first date, his opinion is fine if you treat it as just that (his opinion).
After all, there are many people who think this
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg282/rizzy811/iphonevsstone.jpg) about the iPhone.
Is there anything not factual in that comparison? A was just expressing himself very badly.
When many users speak like this on your forum, they are definitely being obnoxious, but they are probably not intending to troll(for someone who bothers to visit a site like this, mobile phones are bound to be an emotional topic). After all, everyone cannot write as well as you guys do.
Maybe your other readers are ok with just discounting bad tempered comments and moving on.
If it is the language that you have a problem with, maybe you could say as much, perhaps in the posting screen. I am basing this on the fact that the only hot response these comments are getting, is from the editors.
Otherwise, you are creating an impression that certain topics or opinions are taboo, which is certainly not what you have in mind(I have been reading AAS long enough to know that you make a deliberate effort to be fair), but it does come across that way sometimes.
I hope I didn't sound too pompous above. Just saying what came to my mind, that's all....
ltv wrote:.....I am basing this on the fact that the only hot response these comments are getting, is from the editors.
Otherwise, you are creating an impression that certain topics or opinions are taboo, which is certainly not what you have in mind(I have been reading AAS long enough to know that you make a deliberate effort to be fair), but it does come across that way sometimes.I hope I didn't sound too pompous above. Just saying what came to my mind, that's all....
Well said, and definite food for thought imo.
On the flipside, "Why the iPhone is good ...for Nokia"?
The same comments about competition etc apply.
Dynite, absolutely. And Nokia was the first one to say it, immediately after iPhone release. 😊
Steve,
By removing the comment, you have diluted the forum yourself. There are about 16 comments on this article so far and about a third of them are about why you removed the comment. If Apocalypso was the first one to post, so be it. He is dedicated enough to your site that he reads the article early and was willing to make a post before anyone else did, the least you could do is to not censor it. I am a long time reader, S60 user, and fan of your site....but I was somewhat disappointed to see you censor a comment (no matter how childish it was). The ironic part about it is that when I realized you censored the comment, I had this chill run down my spine .....the feeling was similar to owning an Apple product and knowing that youre confined to what you can do.
I am sure you have a vision of what AAS should be and represent, and I just thought we were on the same page =( Anyways, keep up the good work!
Competition is always good for everyone, it makes quality higher, features better and prices lower. Whatever product you use, it will be better if it has serious competitors on a level playing field.
I don't think the more extreme tech fans realise this though, they seem to dream of a day when "their" product dominates the marketplace without realising this would actually lead to the product's manufacturer getting lazy.
@Thisguy: Yep, quite right. If I'd realised how people would jump to apoc's defense, I wouldn't have bothered 8-)
Sigh. First time I've leapt in on a thread like this. Just that I don't like mindless abuse, profanity or stupidity.... Maybe I shouldn't be online at all 8-)
People also have to bear in mind that there are all sorts of other enforced rules here. No warez, no spamming, nothing illegal, etc. It's just that in this case the offending message was part of a high profile front page story rather than buried in the general forums.... A site with no posting rules and with warez and illegal hacks and swearing would be anarchy and potentially unpleasant...
steve,
I was not trying to defend A. In fact i was not talking about him at all.
Anyways, never mind.
Good night/evening.
looks like the rest of the internet is finally decending on the normaly squeaky clean AAS. Sorry steve, it was bound to happen and this iphone is nasty flame bait topic.
Hopefully the damage done isnt too bad, but i can see you now being labeled as a censor and AAS the same way buy internet politicians.
Re the fuss about censorship. Frankly we all get worked up about things and especially the Iphone for some reason. I know I do. But we should be able to express ourselves without using bad language. Steve deserves some support on this.
@williamoni: agreed.why get so worked up over a phone.everybody has opinions and truth is none of us really gives a damn bout anybody else's but our own.you're doing a good job steve and any1 who disagrees can piss off.you got a choice.you dont like AAS?well dont read it.wanna comment?use some nice language n b civilised about it.
