Looks great....
I just wish Nokia would hold off on their launches until the devices are ready, six months (which usually turns in to nine months) before it is available, is just too long.
When Apple announce a new product, it is always available either immediately or with a couple of weeks.
Still at launch it will probably go up against the 3rd Gen iPhone, so it will be an interesting battle. One at the moment the N97 wins for me hands down, although I can't help thinking I might have preferred a smaller N810 with a phone functionally.
Unregistered wrote:Very good hardware but the touch layer is just piggy-backed on an 8 years old obsolete OS/UI, it's a mess.
I have read that "mess" argument quite a few times already in connection with Nokia's 5th edition touch-enabled smartphones, but so far not one poster cared to elaborate: What it the mess, exactly?
It should be no problem at all to give some details: Just pick something from the mess, then. Please explain where touch and S60, as currently implemented by Nokia, do not fit? If you dare, you can even throw in some ideas how to improve things, as an added bonus. "Redesign everything from scratch" is not a very innovative approach here, though.
slitchfield wrote:
I'm torn on the N97. On the one hand, Nokia has brought a lot of bits together in one device. On the other hand, the three year old N93 beats it on video capture...
From the article:
The camera is also used to record videos at VGA at 30 frames per seconds
That's exactly what the N93 does. So how does my old N93 beat the N97 on video capture? Are you referring to the lack of N93's optical zoom?
What I'm looking forward to, though, is an N93/N82 replacement..... 8-)
Being an N93 owner, this interests me. What is it that you feel the N97 lacks, as an "N93 upgrade"? Better video capture?
what's its CPU capabilities?
I will keep my bonus for this one 😊
And I thought the iphone was way too big!
An exciting phone, but way too big for everyday use, for most of us. I still have an N95-1 and I'd say that's a little on the large size. The 5800 looks more tempting in that light, apart from the plastic quality and the 3.2 MPx camera and LED flash.
What about an N85 refresh with a Xenon flash and better case plz Nokia? That would be about as good as it gets for ordinary use.
Nokia N97 117.2 x 55.3 x 15.9 mm
Sony Xperia 110.5 x 52.6 x 17 mm
Its not big...
I have N82. I absolutely love it.
I would prefer to have N82 with Big & High Resolution screen.
Instead of a permanently attached keyboard, Would like to see a detachable wireless bluetooth keyboard.
So If i wish, i can carry phone with keyboard or phone without keyboard.
in short, I need some thing like N97 without the permanently attached keyboard and with XENON FLASH.
Yes I love bar format Phones. That's the reason I waited for N82. I am not that excited with N97 Yet.
"That's exactly what the N93 does. So how does my old N93 beat the N97 on video capture? Are you referring to the lack of N93's optical zoom?"
Well, optical zoom, yes, but also the fact that video on the N93 is much clearer than on the newer devices: N79, N85, N96 and presumably N97 all suck when it comes to video. It may be VGA but it's not fit for purpose yet, in my opinion. I wish Nokia would come clean about video capture and what's going on. The current situation is insane.
I love this phone.
Unfortunately, it's fall into N-series category.
I hate N-series, I love E-series.
My wives N81 can't kill (turn off) the 'always on' music apps.
I hate the felling that the music apps always on.
I really wish this were nokia E91
Unregistered wrote:I love this phone.Unfortunately, it's fall into N-series category.
I hate N-series, I love E-series.
My wives N81 can't kill (turn off) the 'always on' music apps.
I hate the felling that the music apps always on.
I really wish this were nokia E91
There may well be one in the making, although I suspect they will knobble the camera as they usually do for the E series.
Well I've finally got the answer to my N series touch screen question. It looks a very impressive phone but i'm still wondering whether to go for the 5800 when my contract is up in April or hang on for a bit and go for the N97. The physical size is slightly off putting but other than that it looks great. Is there a definate release date yet?
It's unclear whether Andrew Orlowski in The Register is a jihadi apple-ist or is just a sad, old-fashioned troll of the worst kind, but his brief preview item appears to be saying that the N97 relies on WRT widgets to do anything. I recommend browsing to his item just in order to award it an "utterly terrible" rating.
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neilhoskins wrote:It's unclear whether Andrew Orlowski in The Register is a jihadi apple-ist or is just a sad, old-fashioned troll of the worst kind, but his brief preview item appears to be saying that the N97 relies on WRT widgets to do anything. I recommend browsing to his item just in order to award it an "utterly terrible" rating.😡
He is, I have said it before (and got flamed), but his closing statement says it all:
Nokia said it had sold 15m N95 handsets in two years; Apple sold 6.9m iPhones in the last quarter alone.
With a link to the apple sales, but no link to the nokia ones. Presumably because it will list all the other handsets they sell.
Although he does have a point with the screen having far too much information on. However, I assume you can turn this off, just like active standby, as I do on my E66 (and ones before it).
For the guy to make such sweeping comments when he hasn't even seen the phone in the flesh, says volumes. I stopped reading his stuff ages ago, since he has a hugely biased opinion.
The real test will be the software. I'm still waiting for a machine with the useability of a ten -year old PDA! Nice looker though!
Come on guys
We all know there's no one device to rule them all! If this doesn't meet your exact requirments be patient - I'm sure there'll be other 5th edition touch devices along shortly that are smaller/with better camera/keyboard/tv tuner/coffee maker along soon!
In the meantime this thing is great.:biggrin:
Admittedly as an E90 user it's probably more down my street than most but I can also find faults where compromises have been made but at least this is a move in the right direction of including (nearly) everything in one device as opposed to Nokia's previous philosphy of always splitting their top features between 2 or 3 phones.
Don't forget it won't be availlable for for 6months anyway - plenty of time for things to develop and other phones to appear - lets see what the E series response will be! :tongue:
Cheers
Jago
slitchfield wrote:three year old N93 beats it on video capture
Indeed the Nokia folks should put in a pair of stereo mikes. (Nevertheless, it's missing from all the other phones.)
slitchfield wrote:the year old N82 beats it on photography, etc.
Xenon flashes take far more space to add because of the need for a capacitor. Prolly this is why they've been left out from this model too.
Nevertheless, if it receives exactly the same camera as the N95 (with lens protection - unlike in N95 8GB / N96), then, I'll be very pleased. It's still way better than the iPhone's camera or that of any Windows Mobile handset. (See my direct N95 vs. iPhone 3G photo quality comparison at http://www.smartphonemag.com/iphone/node/179 , in section "1.11 The built-in camera" if interested.)
I agree. Its size, weight and form factor will mean that it's a niche product (also indicated by omission of Xenon flash). That said, it's a brilliant (if hardly original) form factor.
I also completely agree with a friend previously who said he needed a detachable keyboard. I also have a N82, and I think as a device all it lacks is a higher-res, bigger screen, a touch screen and better keyboard. A detachable keyboard (which might come with a battery pack to enhance the life of the phone it attaches to) will solve that problem. Anyone at Nokia listening?
Meanwhile, I stick to my point: this is making 5800 look better by the minute, since all the software features will make it to 5800 in due time 😉, whether by Nokia or third parties
talhamid wrote:
Meanwhile, I stick to my point: this is making 5800 look better by the minute, since all the software features will make it to 5800 in due time 😉, whether by Nokia or third parties
I disagree with that. Nokia wouldn't be so stupid that they would enable all N-series features on a non N-series device.
I believe that this phone will be the ultimate convergance device, the N95 went close but fell short in a few areas but this one fills in them gaps.
I am interested in processor specs of this device.
Did I imagine it or did the hardware specs list conductive touchscreen for period??
slitchfield wrote:
Well, optical zoom, yes, but also the fact that video on the N93 is much clearer than on the newer devices: N79, N85, N96 and presumably N97 all suck when it comes to video. It may be VGA but it's not fit for purpose yet, in my opinion. I wish Nokia would come clean about video capture and what's going on. The current situation is insane.
I was not aware of this - that's terrible!
Being a father of two (4 and 5 years old), always having a reasonably good video camera in my pocket was a major selling point of the N93 for me. I'd hate to think that a new device 3 years later would be worse in this regard.
At last a nice announcement! I wouldn't have bought the N96 (price; no use for DVB-H; no touch) or the lower-end 5800 (mostly because of the bad camera). I am especially pleased with their including stereo speakers - it is probably the best feature of most new(er) N-series models.
I, however, think
- they should include a D-pad. Learn from the problems of all the D-pad-less WinMo devices (most importantly, the Touch HD); particularly because this will be an N-Gage-compliant device. There's a lot of "dead space" on the surface (even more than on the iPhone); put a D-pad in there!
Anyone that has been played native iPhone games requiring D-pad emulation (in, for example, game console emulators) knows emulating a d-pad will always result in a far worse gaming experience.
By putting the keyboard D-pad on the front bezel (and removing it from the slide-out keyboard), they could also enlarge the keys to allow for easier touch typing.
- they should either increase the screen size (or decrease that of the body). Just look at the HTC Touch HD - HTC have managed to do this.
yade wrote:Did I imagine it or did the hardware specs list conductive touchscreen for period??
Nope, it's not a capacitive touchscreen (like that of the iPhone); it's a plain stupid resistive one (like all WinMo devices or the BlackBerry Storm). This sucks in a lot of respects (except for using with a stylus or any sharp pointing device)... I bet it doesn't have multitouch either.
Menneisyys wrote:
- they should include a D-pad. Learn from the problems of all the D-pad-less WinMo devices (most importantly, the Touch HD); particularly because this will be an N-Gage-compliant device. There's a lot of "dead space" on the surface (even more than on the iPhone); put a D-pad in there!Anyone that has been played native iPhone games requiring D-pad emulation (in, for example, game console emulators) knows emulating a d-pad will always result in a far worse gaming experience.
By putting the keyboard D-pad on the front bezel (and removing it from the slide-out keyboard), they could also enlarge the keys to allow for easier touch typing.
- they should either increase the screen size (or decrease that of the body). Just look at the HTC Touch HD - HTC have managed to do this.
There is not much dead space. And while people are already mumbling about the size, you want a bigger screen, and a Dpad on the front. It's just not feasible.
A nice device, but not something for me. Prefer smaller S60 candybars, like 6120c or E51.
But I think it's strange that this device "only" have bluetooth 2.0. The Nokia 6260 which was announced last week have bluetooth 2.1.
Also curious about the hardware in this device. Anyone knows what CPU it got?
Enfors wrote:I was not aware of this - that's terrible!Being a father of two (4 and 5 years old), always having a reasonably good video camera in my pocket was a major selling point of the N93 for me. I'd hate to think that a new device 3 years later would be worse in this regard.
Don't forget, however, that the above list doesn't contain the N95, which has excellent video recording quality (except for the lack of a pair of stereo microphones).
I would gladly replace my N82 with the N97. But, the absence of a xenon(once again :rollseyes: ) and the cheap marketing gimmick " nHD" leaves me waiting to see what other phones come down the pipeline.
Instead, Nokia continues with its reluctance to provide real high resolution: 800 X 480 pixels, such as the xperia, which I might add has a smaller 3 inch screen too. This same reluctance is evident in the rare appearances(very spotty) of a xenon flash on Nokia's phones in general imo.
Other than those 2 big complaints, I like the N97 very much.
Amusingly, the Register article has now been changed. It seems someone realised, or was made aware of, how biased it sounded. 🙄
is it just me or does this new device include the ability to use photos as a full background just like in desktops? take a look at the bike on Anssi's N97. please confirm...
Anyone know what size battery is in the thing? I would thing all that processing would need something big.
The big things for me here are the size (the top of it seems a bit swollen), is the touch screen actually any good - depressing to say but for many years to come we will be comparing things to the iPod Touch/ iPhone, and finally, how is that keyboard, I still compare all mini-keyboard to the old Psion 5 and Psion Revo and for me this one looks as though its not going to have a lot of tactility to it.