I would like to see a feature based "fight" between thoses phones.
Maybe as a video with split screen. For example go to google and search for something and open the result. Or post something in a forum.
Webbrowsing is an important feature and the default browser on S60 (at least the E71 and older) is very slow. With Opera mini it gets ok, but that has other issues.
maitrepoulet wrote:1. Screen: no comparison. TP2 has a beautiful screen, great resolution and sensitivity. Forget the colors displayed issue, in real life usage the TP2 is much better.
Have to disagree here. 16M vs 256k colors makes a huge difference in picture and video quality. Even with more pixels on screen, TouchPro2 just can't compare to the N97's quality.
maitrepoulet wrote:One more thing just want to mention...for a real head-to-head, why isn't processor speed, 3D hardware acceleration, and RAM mentioned? These are vital statistics to phones, and departments in which the TP2 wins in all categories.
For two devices with the same OS these comparisons are valid, but where one OS uses its resource more efficiently than another, only real hands on has any point. WinMo could have a 100 Tetrahz CPU, but bloat would make the user fell it is slower than a 100MHz other devices. Which is the case I think. The only thing that matters is hands on.
maitrepoulet wrote:But I guess that's why Nokia took out all the transition effects in the N97.
Get your facts straight then talk.
Okay, some questions for you to consider:
1. Would you make the N97 you main device for business support?
2. If you have an E90, would you replace it with the N97?
3. If you have an E90, would you replace it with the Touch Pro 2?
😊
krisq wrote:Get your facts straight then talk.
There never were the super-whizzy transitions you saw in the promo videos. As far as I know they were all mockups, they've NEVER been coded in, in the first place! The 'standard' transitions are in the N97 though I don't use them, despite what Rafe says, I think they slow me down....
jah wrote:Okay, some questions for you to consider:1. Would you make the N97 you main device for business support?
2. If you have an E90, would you replace it with the N97?
3. If you have an E90, would you replace it with the Touch Pro 2?😊
1. Not sure.
2. Yes. After all, the E90's keyboard isn't THAT good in the first place.
3. Only if I had a lot of typing to do or I felt the need for an editing suite built-in, right now - note that Quickoffice/S60 5th is only a matter of weeks away and then this criteria will be satisified etc.
If you guys now don't feature a head-to-head btw the N97 and the i8910, then your biases are gonna be out there in broad daylight for all to see
Ok found it in your earlier N97 review.
"Quickoffice - as usual with Nseries devices, it's the viewer only, v4 (so no Office 2007 file compatibility), though an editing version is/will be only a paid upgrade away."
Hahahaha! ......Did anyone expected a different outcome? This guy is shameless.
"But, and I have to say this, the end result, as modelled in the Touch Pro 2, is a MESS. Jumping between pretty but limited top level TouchFLO 3D 'applications' and ugly but more powerful stylus-designed Windows Mobile apps, with the occasional hybrid element such as a finger-friendly menu grafted into an older application, is inelegant, it's horrible, it's confusing"
Now watch this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL89CkMvVAg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpocketnow%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fa%3Dportal%5Fdetail%26t%3Dreviews%26id%3D1139%26p%3D3&feature=player_embedded
Steve, I feel like you wrote this to punch BGR in the face, lol.
Regarding the comparisons comments on hardware advantages for the TP2 - they missed out the WVGA screen. Its a big advantage for browsing and document display, in concert with FAR better Opera browser it makes for a much, much better browsing experience.
So if these things are very important to you, and media capabilities less so, then the TP2 is the better choice.
Its precisely this constellation of factors that made me move away from Symbian (as a long time power-user of that OS), to Windows Mobile last year.
capitaine wrote:If you guys now don't feature a head-to-head btw the N97 and the i8910, then your biases are gonna be out there in broad daylight for all to see
Oh do please shut up, all of you, about the blessed i8910 HD. If Samsung would FINISH a non-Orange version don't you think we'd have been featuring it to high heaven????
We're as frustated as the rest of you that there's only a crippled Orange version available anywhere.........
Nothing to do with bias, everything to do with Samsung's cockeyed distribution plans 8-((
What's so crippled about the i8910 on Orange Steve?
There's likely to be a lot of people visiting AAS with their eye on the Omnia HD and heading to their local Orange store.
Maybe I've missed what Orange has done to hamper this 'flagship' device - shouldn't this be flagged up on AAS?
morpheus2702 wrote:What's so crippled about the i8910 on Orange Steve?There's likely to be a lot of people visiting AAS with their eye on the Omnia HD and heading to their local Orange store.
Maybe I've missed what Orange has done to hamper this 'flagship' device - shouldn't this be flagged up on AAS?
Stuart Clark (reporting for AAS) got an i8910 HD on day one from Orange and has been writing up his experiences. Unfortunately, he also lost his job at the same time, so has been a bit preoccupied.
[mutters.... well he should have had plenty of time to finish his article then.... can't believe I just said that out loud!..... ]
Stuart, I do hope you find work soon, seriously! 8-)
@maitrepoulet,
Great post. While I will still get the N97, you struck a chord with the every day usage concpet. The N97 appears to be more targeted at people with social agendas. It is not a power phone, nor a biz phone, nor a full on media device. For me, it is a device that is ready to be built upon. A 3rd party developers dream. You get a basic device and then you can add this or that or that to get the device that you want. I will also be picking up an iPhone as well and already know that this device too falls short but then again it is meant to. There is no "one size fits all" device on the market that I know of.
Makes no sense to compare them winmo is a notorious resources hog, while symbian is well known for it's modest demands at this point.
WinMo is a resource hog compared to what? I have a Tytn II and after reboot I have 65MB out of 128 free and after weeks of use there is no leakage or unexplained memory consumption. All the programs start just as fast on any comparable Symbian devices. I've had Symbian 9 devices and I have to say that WinMo, though horrible out-of-the-box, is superb if you have the time and inclination to customize it.
And the comment about menus being hard to use... TouchFlo does a superb job of adjusting to finger use. I was actually surprised... comparing it to UIQ3 devices for example, those are horrid. Without a stylus you really cannot use them.
take it a little easy on the jesus phone thing on the N97... no html email and no link from contacts to either google or nokia maps, not even internet radio yet.. obviously not ready for a work phone yet... but for $700 it is a shame such simple things are not there yet..
slitchfield wrote:Oh do please shut up, all of you,
Not very professional of you, mr. Litchfield telling people to shut up, is it? Here on what you've called an "influential" site. Right.
Go back to your cheerleading for Nokia my friend. That's what you do best.
To all the others: I invite you to find objective reviews elsewhere (zdnet, boygenius, etc.).
Read threads on Howardforums.com from people who have nothing but problems with their newly bought N97s.
This is a farce Steve.
Im going to get the n97. But I really cant decide between the black and white version.
What to steve and rafe prefer?
slitchfield wrote:
2. Yes. After all, the E90's keyboard isn't THAT good in the first place.
Errrr, what?!? Admitedly i'm not a dyed in the wool phone geek like yourself but how many other phones have a 5 row (6 if you count the useful shortcut keys), good size keyboard? I can't think of any. Not everyone is as 'svelt' as you with matching fingers. The E90's keyboard is perfect size for some of the rest of us, with everything we might need to enter text right there. Probably the main reason i will not be getting the 97 is due to Nokia's glaring omission to the keyboard design.
Perhaps i might be over-reacting. I'm trying hard to keep the frame of mind that maybe the comparo and this subsequent thread is taken directly from the Jeremy Kyle/Jerry Springer school of 'journalism'. Piss off as many people as you can and then sit back and watch the site hits escalate. Seemed to work for BGR too.
If you reply, make sure you lead off with "yes yes", and follow with something completely patronising (if you wish to remain in character)...
Typed (flawlessly) on my E90.
UKJeeper wrote:Errrr, what?!? Admitedly i'm not a dyed in the wool phone geek like yourself but how many other phones have a 5 row (6 if you count the useful shortcut keys), good size keyboard? I can't think of any. Not everyone is as 'svelt' as you with matching fingers. The E90's keyboard is perfect size for some of the rest of us, with everything we might need to enter text right there. Probably the main reason i will not be getting the 97 is due to Nokia's glaring omission to the keyboard design.Perhaps i might be over-reacting. I'm trying hard to keep the frame of mind that maybe the comparo and this subsequent thread is taken directly from the Jeremy Kyle/Jerry Springer school of 'journalism'. Piss off as many people as you can and then sit back and watch the site hits escalate. Seemed to work for BGR too.
If you reply, make sure you lead off with "yes yes", and follow with something completely patronising (if you wish to remain in character)...
Typed (flawlessly) on my E90.
Full agreed with this. Although not perfect the E90's keyboard is light years ahead that of the N97's. Again, please read reviews elsewhere not written by fan boys (see my previous post).
Arthur wrote:Not very professional of you, mr. Litchfield telling people to shut up, is it?
Err... you snipped that out of a sentence!!!!
To all the others: I invite you to find objective reviews elsewhere (zdnet, boygenius, etc.)
Ha ha ha ha, really incredibly funny. Really. BoyGeniusReport? Objective? Did you READ their write up of the N97???? !!!!!!!!*!*!**!*!!*
Your comment is the best laugh I've had today, anyway.
UKJeeper wrote:Errrr, what?!? Admitedly i'm not a dyed in the wool phone geek like yourself but how many other phones have a 5 row (6 if you count the useful shortcut keys), good size keyboard? I can't think of any. Not everyone is as 'svelt' as you with matching fingers.
What I was getting at here is that the E90's keyboard, goodish though it is, has hard-feel keys and isn't a patch on that on, say, the older Nokia 9210. It's not like the E90 keyboard is the holy grail, in the way that the Psion Series 5's was, for example.
Still love my E90, but it has sadly been forgotten by Nokia, it seems..... sniff.
slitchfield wrote:What I was getting at here is that the E90's keyboard, goodish though it is, has hard-feel keys and isn't a patch on that on, say, the older Nokia 9210. It's not like the E90 keyboard is the holy grail, in the way that the Psion Series 5's was, for example.Still love my E90, but it has sadly been forgotten by Nokia, it seems..... sniff.
Steve, I love my Psions (have 2 Revos, 3 Psion 5s and one Psion 7) and for me the Touch Pro is the closest to a Revo/Psion 5 form factor I have seen. I agree that the Touch Pro 2 native UI is not that great, but once you have used a device for a while the UI can be less of a hindrance but the hardware form factor has a lasting impact on usability. And i agree that it is sad that Nokia have forgotten the E90 user base as I think this form factor has a great future.
slitchfield wrote:
Still love my E90, but it has sadly been forgotten by Nokia, it seems..... sniff.
Forgotten? At least it's still getting firmware updates. The same cannot be said for the N93/N93i and perhaps other devices.
And Steve of course the E90 keyboard is not the holy grail but it IS better than the N97.
slitchfield wrote:Err... you snipped that out of a sentence!!!!
Your comment is the best laugh I've had today, anyway.
Steve all I (and OTHERS here) are asking of AAS is to stop being the annoyingly biased cheerleaders for Nokia. That's all.
slitchfield wrote:Still love my E90, but it has sadly been forgotten by Nokia, it seems..... sniff.
Seems?
There have been (at least) 3 new/updated software stories on AAS in the last couple of days that i've tried to install on my E90. "this device is not supported". This includes (but not limited to) Photo Browser and Quickoffice.
I'm in front of my PC as i'm actually about to try and install Ovi Maps 3.0. Again. 🙄
I have to ask... is getting free stuff to review worth the price you're paying? Did anyone actually use the TP2?
I am a llllllooooooong time S60 user, going back to the Psion days. And I find it hard to believe that the reviewer even used the TP2!
For example, HTC has utterly revamped the contacts app. Your contact now contains a history of all emails, texts, calls, facebook updates, etc. That's an amazing feature, one Nokia would do well to replicate, but it's nowhere to be seen in the review. Theaded SMS, HTML email without an add on, etc. WinMo just kills S60 on the software side these days, and that's an ugly reality that needs to be accepted. Meanwhile, Nokia has the same contacts app that S60 has slogged on with for nearly 6 years now. The call log bug still isn't fixed.
HTC has far fewer resources than Nokia, yet they manage to do more. What's wrong with this picture?
Steve -- you may as well just have Nokia tattooed across your rear, as they seem to own it.