The Perception of Nokia

>> To say Symbian is dead is missing the point.

Exactly. The death of Symbian OS is definitely exaggerated. Its a shame that the 'technical' press and bloggers would rather jump on a bandwagon than provide a well thought out analysis. We all agree that s60 is quite behind in the bells and whistles race but s60 is only a UI framework that runs on a very elegant OO based Symbian OS with a micro kernel architecture which is designed with power efficiency in mind (I should know, I've worked there before).

With bells and whistles being all the rage today, its easy to overlook the utility of this plucky OS.

For all the adulation that has been thrown at the feet of iPhone, its fair to say that it lacks such utility. The iPhone runs on a more superior hardware (600MHZ ARM cortex A8) than e.g. the N95 but yet Apple have crippled it to the point that it lacks full multi-tasking ( even when it pretends to have 2 browser windows open, you will find that only the in focus window is actually active; so should the non focused window be pointing to an Ajax web page, updates wont be reflected). This is a serious limitation which many with a voice are willing to ignore whereas usability issues of s60 are amplified and though not to blame for this, Symbian OS is derided in the process.

So Symbian is indeed far from dead - I am excited by Symbian Foundation and look forward to the introduction of QT and features such as DirectUI, Screenplay etc. I hope its the tenets of this gem OS is maintained as follows.

-> the integrity and security of user data is paramount,
-> user time must not be wasted, and
-> all resources are scarce.

Long live the Symbian Foundation!!.

Wait a second here, OS 3.0 for the iPhone doesn't count because it's an incremental upgrade, but the N97 is running some radical new OS that isn't an incremental upgrade from Nokia? I thought that was the point of the criticism of the OS on the N97, that the OS is a stale incremental upgrade. I've never owned an iPhone or an iPod in my life but arguing that Apple is better because their OS is less of an upgrade while defending a phone accused of being on a stale OS just makes no sense.

oniox wrote:>>> When did u see yahoo messenger for symbian ????

You probably cant read - Nimbuzz runs on Symbian. Nimbuzz multi IM is a JavaMe application. And yes Symbian supports Java but your incacerated iPhone does not. Go to getjar.com and get educated. Oh did I mention that it runs this IM in the background ?.

>> U say 5800 does more things ........

Evidence that you have no understanding. My 5800 can multitask, I can stream radio and still browse all at once. I can open my email client and still play a game and switch b/w them. I can also listen to my fav FM radio station - oh your expensive toy knows nothing about all these - even �20 PAYG phones at least have FM radio. What kind of a sucker are you ?

>>lol did u see the number of applications available for iPhone ?????? I think u >> live under a cave to realize that .....

Which is your favourite - iFart or iBeer ?. Most of the apps in the App store just replicates what's already on the internet (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter etc). FYI, the web is the killer app. I cant believe ppl will pay for a VAT calculator - I mean a VAT calculator ?; DUMB. I'd rather live in a cave than be stuck in jail. Symbian needs no jailbreak. Its not so cool being schooled by a caveman, is it ?

>> Please talk facts .......

Its not my fault that you just cant reason.

>> You are talking about battery life ????? Try comparing n95 original firmware >> with iphone .... nokia sucked more !

Original firmware ? Well compared to the N95, the original firmware of the iPhone lacked 3G, support for video camera , proper GPS, Copy+Paste, MMS... etc. Grow up !

>> and iPhone battery lasts 1 day with proper usage ..... the only reason >>iPhone battery doesnt last is because it is so awesome that people just cant >>stop using it, unlike ur boring 5800 !!! Good luck on ur 5800 getting kinetic >>scrolling in full OS!!!!

Oh you're so puerile!. Go back to your jail cot.

zzzzz ....... again all of u ....... u just cudnt point a symbian yahoo messenger released by Yahoo themselves ...... ok show the link of yahoo messenger symbian version released by yahoo ???? oh no ..... there isnt .... coz Yahoo doesnt give a shit to Symbian ! 1 of u even pointed yahoo web messenger ..... duh ! u can log in dat with iPhone safari too .... dat isnt a native application for ur phone !

iPhone is iPhone ..... dont try comparing it with anything ........ just go read reviews of ur pathetic N97 ....... the all round device is dead .... thanks to iPhone's introduction ..... and n97 will be more dead coz of N97 mini .....

wat games do u play on 5800 ????? On ur ngage u got nothing !!!! wats da number of games u have in ur ngage ??? Less than 100 i pressume ..... goto iTunes and see the collection of games ........ hell even Nokia doesnt wat name to keep .... Ngage or Ovi games ..... they r just a confused manufacturer on a spree of releasing new devices .......

oniox wrote:

Oh you're so puerile!. Go back to your jail cot.

Off topic, but I don't think the poster whom you're replying to would be smart enough to undertand the word.
Just my 2 cents.
Let the fun continue!

Unregistered wrote:
iPhone is iPhone ..... dont try comparing it with anything ........ just go read reviews of ur pathetic N97 ....... the all round device is dead .... thanks to iPhone's introduction ..... and n97 will be more dead coz of N97 mini .....

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Ok this really made me laugh.
" ....... the all round device is dead .... thanks to iPhone's introduction ....."
So what are you trying to say kid? That the iPhone has been just introduced?

Ok, some quick advice if you want to be taken seriously outside your tiny little mindspace.
1. Learn proper full fledged english.
2. Try to be polite.
3. Get your facts right.
4. Don't troll about iPhones in Symbian forums. You just don't get the irony, do you? Surfing Symbian forums on your shiny lil Safari.

I never knew the iphone could crash lol.. It was so much hyped about being stable.. Oh well that was until two rival artist here in the caribbean compared the other to a freezing and crashing iphone lol. To tell the truth few people here in my country jamaica find interest in it and its one of the most hyped and subsidized phone, second only to blackberries. People class it as crap and expensive

Again...the 3GS does not crash, at all. Compare it with the n97, two flagships from 2009. People don�t need tips and hacks for it not to crash.

And even the older models are perfectly stable with OS 3.0, but we surely won�t go on comparing the n97 with older models, despite being true that they share the same old hardware (snap)

My 1st gen iPod touch with V3 software has crashed a few times. Dud applications generally. Eventually they get fixed. Usually the app quits back to the home page a few times I have had to restart it.

"You won�t see any 3GS owner saying that. Ever. Shows apple learned the lesson, and put enough RAM on the device. On the N97, what happened? Did Nokia learn?"

Hi. Maybe you didn't notice but there is only ONE model of N97. You only learn when there's prior art or prior situation/devices of the same kind to base that learning off of.

You can say that when there are THREE models of N97 out. And it just so happens that there is an update coming that resolves the RAM issue along with other issues. Now, try using the 3.0 iPhone OS in the iPhone 2G. See what happens for you there.

Your comment reeks of arrogance and sheer ignorance; which is pretty standard for fanbois.

Unregistered wrote:Dude take a break !!!!

When did u see yahoo messenger for symbian ????

U say 5800 does more things ........ lol did u see the number of applications available for iPhone ?????? I think u live under a cave to realize that .....

Please talk facts .......

You are talking about battery life ????? Try comparing n95 original firmware with iphone .... nokia sucked more ! and iPhone battery lasts 1 day with proper usage ..... the only reason iPhone battery doesnt last is because it is so awesome that people just cant stop using it, unlike ur boring 5800 !!! Good luck on ur 5800 getting kinetic scrolling in full OS!!!!

Nokia has quite a bit of applications out for it in case you didn't know. Kind of hard to not know when you can easily G-O-O-G-L-E it.

Most of those iPhone apps are complete and utter rubbish. At last count, 9000 fart applications, 8000 puzzle applications of which they were all the same puzzles with just a background change. The list of inane and useless "apps" on the apple store is mind-boggling. Let's not compare shall we? "Shake the baby till it dies" app just makes it look really bad.

Want to talk about battery life of an iPhone vs a Nokia? "Reasonable use" for an iphone is texting occassionally, an hour of calls and some light games. By 6pm, the battery is on its last bars.

My E90 can do full 1.5 days of heavy usage from morning to night.
My E71 battery is so legendary it can do 2.5 days of heavy usage, acts as a wifi hotspot, always on 3G, updating 4 different applications in the background, gaming, heavy (4 hours a day) net surfing, calls, SMS, MMS, calendar, twitter, facebook, messenger, 2 hours (per day of music). with non-stop use, you can do almost 20 hours of constant use of all those things in varying mixes.

The iPhone is a toy in comparison and unless I'm plugged in with power cord, I'm only getting light calls, light SMS, light surfing and light music before the battery dies. It won't last 8 hours. I know, I tried! All that awesomeness you speak of only happens when you're plugged into the wall. Otherwise real world use is pitiful. This wouldn't matter if you could CHANGE THE BATTERY like in ALL NOKIA devices. But unfortunately for iPhone users, if you happen to be heavy smartphone user, it's fail.

And for the amount of money you pay for an iphone, it's even more of a travesty that it's so shoddy. And even with "65,000" apps!, it STILL can't do things a standard LG, Nokia or SE can do. In my country, an iPhone costs $4800 over 2 years with plan, and N97 costs $1150 over 2 years with plan.

On top of that you have rows upon rows of absolutely meaningless, mystery-meat (go google "bad usability mystery meat"😉 icons that don't do ANYTHING. You can't change that either. All that fail for $4800.

Both the N97 and iPhone devices have faults but for $1150 over 2 years I can live with a faulty device. For $4800, no way.