Canalys' Q3 worldwide smartphone sales figures, much-awaited, have now been published. Headline figures are that the entire smartphone market grew by 4% year on year, with Nokia's S60 smartphone sales growing by 6% year on year and with their world market share now also up to 40%. RIM are in second place worldwide, with 21% and Apple are in third place with their iPhone with 18%. HTC and 'others' were the big losers in terms of market share to the big three. Read on for more...
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Amazing, this has been up 2 hours and no-one has posted about how "Nokia are doomed". Could it be that they were wrong after all...?
I got two words for u doomsayers...SUCK ITTTT!!!
By only growing at 6% and not 1000% and not having only 1 device and not having a race to $0 per app and not etc etc they are doooooomed as Frazer once said.
On behalf of everyone working for Nokia and Symbian, I'd like to invite all of the (many) naysayers to go f**k themselves, in no uncertain terms 😊 Gracias
Suck on that all you haters!
particularly surprising for me are the iPhone/Apple numbers - when reading mainstream media, it seems like Apple is overtaking everywhere and continues to rise and rise. In cold numbers, they rather seem to keep a level field in the last year, while the real winners are found at RIM and at Google. Will be interesting to see what the flush of new (and much improved) Android hardware will do to that statistic in a years time.
And, joining the chorus, the reality seems to be much better for both Nokia and Symbian than the doomsayers want us to believe....
^ I think you mostly hear those exaggerated claims from USA sites and "apple fan sites" that tend to "shout out" to other international sites. I personally like apple products but not the fan generated hype it brings.
A lot of people miss the fact that approximately half of all iPhone sales are made in the US where Nokia has no meaningful presence. In the markets where Apple do compete against Nokia they don't do nearly as well.
For example, if you strip out the US - where Nokia don't play - and China - where Apple didn't until now - Nokia outsell Apple by a factor of 3 in every smartphone market where they compete against each other.
That doesn't change the fact that Nokia have a huge issue at the high end - the N97 was clealry a bungle and the second such bungle Nokia have made with a flagship (the N96 being the first) and need to deliver here. The N900 may do that to an extent but I'm not convinced.
Nemoi and Mr. Mark make very compelling arguments. I too am an Apple user but not over the top, living in Steve Jobs' pants crazy. Apple makes good products. This is indisputable, and the fact that they have only one phone in the race makes things much easier and simpler for them. However it should also be pointed out that the iPhone is not really a smartphone in the traditional sense, and it has a limited focus. The iPhone is simply not for everyone. It is more of an all-in-one device aimed at a market that wants this type of device. Apple does not need Nokia's market share to be profitable which they once again proved. Not to mention, it is more so the press that is generating the "Apple vs. Nokia" hype. Apple could not care less about Nokia, but is more concerned about Micr$oft. In phones, Apple will pick up a percentage here and there and probably stabilize around 20% or 21% which will still leave them with quite a bit of cash. Their real battle is for the home media center where Nokia is not even visible. Phones are just one part of the puzzle for Apple.
I posted this in talk.maemo.org, and thought it was worth to put it here too:
"Let me tell you guys a story, may be a bit simplified, but I hope it gets the point across.
Some time ago, there was a man that observed a particular market. It was incipient, it was underdeveloped, and mainly dedicated to produce devices of regular/low quality and high cost to a wealthy market.
He believed that there was a potential, very profitable, mass market for devices that could combine simplicity, quality and affordability.
He worked on his vision, and eventually it came to fruition. He became very rich and the device he made changed the world.
The man was Henry Ford.
The device was the Model T. "
Let's just see what happens next year when the iPhone is available on nearly all major networks and not just one 😉 Orange and Voda are both signed up for the iPhone now the exclusivity has ended with o2, I predict a massive sales growth from upgraders of the respective networks along the lines of "Eh? I can get an iPhone now?!"
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D00mSayer wrote:Let's just see what happens next year when the iPhone is available on nearly all major networks and not just one 😉 Orange and Voda are both signed up for the iPhone now the exclusivity has ended with o2, I predict a massive sales growth from upgraders of the respective networks along the lines of "Eh? I can get an iPhone now?!"......
Not much as they keep trying to rip people a new one in their wallets with their prices.
D00mSayer wrote:Let's just see what happens next year when the iPhone is available on nearly all major networks and not just one 😉 Orange and Voda are both signed up for the iPhone now the exclusivity has ended with o2, I predict a massive sales growth from upgraders of the respective networks along the lines of "Eh? I can get an iPhone now?!"......
I doubt it. The market has changed and there is more choice, I think Symbian will suffer from this extra choice, but the iPhone will suffer more being a single model and the fact that they are no longer filling a vacuum. The iPhone even as a 3GS is starting to look a bit tired. The end of contracts will be looking for more variety.
Doomsayer, the iPhone is multiple carriers in Australia. It does well but still gets comprehensively beaten by Nokia. The other is that the iPhone - at least in its current form is, well... a bit last summer.
D00mSayer wrote:Let's just see what happens next year when the iPhone is available on nearly all major networks and not just one 😉 Orange and Voda are both signed up for the iPhone now the exclusivity has ended with o2, I predict a massive sales growth from upgraders of the respective networks along the lines of "Eh? I can get an iPhone now?!"......
Hahaha....ohhh JUST SUCK ITTT!!!
You can twist and bend those numbers but look at that graph! It doesn't look to good for Symbian. And I guess they are not prepared for the new player: Android 2.0 which is intended for the masses. (Apple markets iPhone like BMW their cars: high profit, moderate marketshare, poor people doesn't matter 😊 )
Unregistered wrote:You can twist and bend those numbers but look at that graph! It doesn't look to good for Symbian. And I guess they are not prepared for the new player: Android 2.0 which is intended for the masses. (Apple markets iPhone like BMW their cars: high profit, moderate marketshare, poor people doesn't matter 😊 )
Total crap. BMW have several mass market models, 1 series and especially 3 series which have very high market share and anyone can afford them. Then they have a whole aspirational range of different format cars ranging from 2 seat roadster, SUVs, performance 6 series, luxury 7 series and offer variations in each those lines. They use the 1 and 3 series as toehold market getters, and these include some ropey smaller engined version with basic equipment that make the whole claim to be an ulitmate driving machine a complete lie.
For apple, if you ask: can I see your range of phones, they will say "errmm, well we have this one" And just like cars, anyone can afford them because they come on a contract. In fact I've noticed it's mainly chavs and poor people that go for them. They are the brash 42 inch plasma of the phone world.
Having seen the first Andoid 2 phone (mot droid or something?), hardly mass market.
The android 1.6 HTC tattoo is mass market. So is the T-Mobile pulse.
People see Nokia destroying everyone else and can't handle it. Why? It's just a business after all.
Unregistered wrote:You can twist and bend those numbers but look at that graph! )
the only twisting and bending is your post. You can't argue with those numbers.
"BMW have several mass market models, 1 series and especially 3 series which have very high market share and anyone can afford them"
You are joking, aren't you? My 3 series 335i coupe "market getter' car costed me more than 64,000 EUR. The 'very cheap' 1 series costs about twice as much as a similar category car from other manufacturer. And the 'very high' market share of BMW is about 2%. Check you facts.
Unregistered wrote:
Having seen the first Andoid 2 phone (mot droid or something?), hardly mass market.
If I remember correctly there are 20-30-40 other Android 2 devices in the pipeline.
Unregistered wrote:"BMW have several mass market models, 1 series and especially 3 series which have very high market share and anyone can afford them"You are joking, aren't you? My 3 series 335i coupe "market getter' car costed me more than 64,000 EUR. The 'very cheap' 1 series costs about twice as much as a similar category car from other manufacturer. And the 'very high' market share of BMW is about 2%. Check you facts.
SMMT stats which show BMW September registrations as 17,862, representing 4.13% of all September registrations for the UK. 2% would have been considered high for a car company. Check your facts.
I was talking about 318d and 320. Not 335. Basic 3 series BMWs are two a penny and everywhere, especially in that funeral black colour. They are two a penny and everywhere.
Ford Focus ECOnetic Diesel: 18,909 UK pounds.
BMW 118d Efficient Dynamics: 19,409 UK Pounds.
But the price is irrelevant, it's all credit and anyone can afford one.
BMW 335i Coupe = �33,420 - 37,385 euros. Some one is telling fibs.
Looks like imaginary BMW 3-Series Coupe driver got pwned.
Nemoi wrote:particularly surprising for me are the iPhone/Apple numbers - when reading mainstream media, it seems like Apple is overtaking everywhere and continues to rise and rise. In cold numbers, they rather seem to keep a level field in the last year, while the real winners are found at RIM and at Google.
I wouldn't say Android is doing *very* well. It is almost as hyped as the iPhone but it's trend line is not going up much faster or slower than the iPhone, or the blackberry's trendline. Guestimating (and not fitting a least squares line to the data) I would say that Symbian is flat/slightly declining, RIM has steady growth, Apple has a more eratic growth, but a bit faster than RIM, Microsoft is flat/might be decling, an Android is growing at the same pace as RIM.
Will be interesting to see what the flush of new (and much improved) Android hardware will do to that statistic in a years time.
Android need to show a much faster growth rate if they want to catch up with Apple and RIM.
And, joining the chorus, the reality seems to be much better for both Nokia and Symbian than the doomsayers want us to believe....
Well, if RIM keeps growing it's quarterly sales at 2 million devices a quarter, they will be selling 20 million devices per quarter in a year and a half, and Apple will be there at about the same time (they grow a bit faster than RIM, and are a bit behind). For Android to be at 20 million devices per quarter in a year and a half they need to grow a lot faster, a bit less than 3 million extra devices per quarter (in Q4: 4, Q1-2010: 7 Q2-2010: 10 etc). That is a lot faster than both RIM and Apple have managed.
Unregistered wrote:SMMT stats which show BMW September registrations as 17,862, representing 4.13% of all September registrations for the UK.
Then, the 2% word-wide marketshare sounds quite correct.
Unregistered wrote:BMW 335i Coupe = �33,420 - 37,385 euros. Some one is telling fibs.
That's the base price. I guess you want leather seats, sunroof, satnav, automatic transmission and all the fancy stuff (to compensate your market getter cheapo BMW 😊 ). In my country there is an additional registration free of about 7000 EUR for 2500-3000cm3 new cars.
Unregistered wrote:BMW 335i Coupe = �33,420 - 37,385 euros. Some one is telling fibs.
Sorry for being offtopic.
In Hungary (an EU country) a 335i costs about 56000 EUR (base model):
http://bmw.hu/hu/hu/newvehicles/3series/coupe/2006/allfacts/prices/prices.html
33k in the UK sounds quite cheap or something additional fee is missing.
Getting waaaay off topic now, but I've just looked at bmw.co.uk and they currently list the 335i SE at �31950 on-the-road including VAT and registration fees.
If you add what I'd consider as minimum extras for this type of car (xenon headlights and leather interior), it gets up to �33820.
I'd bet if you go to the dealer you can get at least 10% off this, through a broker on the web it's advertised at this spec for �29k.
I didn't realise cars were so cheap here, relatively speaking 😊