Why does everyone keep going on about how well the SPV syncs with outlook.
I find that even my Nokia 6310i syncs. very well with Outlook. Although only contacts, calander, todo.
I can't see why people get so excited by this. Unless you guys are saying it handles notes, multiple email, calander, contact folders, subfolders Categories, email file attachments such as Word, Excel as well.
Zuber
[quote="Tvo"]I have to admit - I havent got that much against MS-products. I agree with the critisism of the licensing policy, but thats as far as it goes. Weve seen a lot of companies go up against MS, and so far MS has got the upper hand in all those races (X-box might be an exception, but the jurys still out on that one). Remember Netscape? OS2? Palms going that way as well, I think - and Apples got its niches, but its not a serious comptitor.
Ive tried the SPV for about a month or so, and its way better than any other phone ive seen - the easy sync, the compatability with pc-standards and the MP3/WM alone beats the competion. Standards may be a bad thing if youre a technophile who whants to be able to modify everything, but for the rest of us - its actually quite a good thing. I dont have the nerves or the time to learn a different OS for every single device I use. So Im not worried about the MS dominace - at the moment they're ahaed of the game, and until I see better things from someone else, I'll be using MS devices.
Oh, and by the way - my SPV hasnt frozen or chrashed ONCE since Ive had it. I had a software update a week ago that made it a bit faster, though.[/quote]
Ok... That is such a Microsoft thing to say... Call me suspicous but Microsoft would be the type of company to post a good thing like that... Hmm nice try MS... But your device doesnt work ... "not minding MS dominance" ... Well speaks for itself... There stuff is very poorly made... I dont understand why, I would think they have the expertease to make it good, and to make a good Phone OS, they need to just employ a few Big forum people rather than all these expensive designers and they cud have a winning phone! Its a shame you [MS] has resorted to posting to gain favour! And seriously for you newbie's - Dont touch a device knowen to have serious faults [Like the SPV] It honestly isnt worth wasting your time on!
If any phone designers - IE MS, Orange or anyone wants help... Im just to happy to help!
[quote="Tvo"]I have to admit - I havent got that much against MS-products. I agree with the critisism of the licensing policy, but thats as far as it goes. Weve seen a lot of companies go up against MS, and so far MS has got the upper hand in all those races (X-box might be an exception, but the jurys still out on that one [/quote]
I'd say there are couple of more exceptions.
For one its the SPV,Microsoft is being ass kicked by Nokia and Symbian for a very long time now.Even good old Billy admits it.
The server marker and,Linux and Windows are quite even there.
[quote="Zuber"]I wonder if this in some way relates to why Sendo decided to jump ship.
Zuber[/quote]
Nice Thinking!
maybe Sendo was smart enough to realize that without the software market the deviced worth shit.
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Well officially Microsofts 'vision' is that one day all electronic goods will bear the Microsoft logo, So The old toaster is gonna start crashing! Press 'eject' 'frozen bread' and 'crossaint' button to restart
Damn 3.4KG Turkeys arnt compatable with Cooker OS 3.4, Gotta get the drivers and install my turkey
I AGREE WITH ZIPPER!
Just to chuck my 2 cents into this conversation, I think people will buy the phone which suites their needs, EG. I was tempted by the SPV, but i already own an Ipaq, so it would have been a waste to double up features, also I find MS products inherently unstable, the hardware is usually top notch (MS Mice, joysticks, keyboards all own #1 spot for most ppl) but they get let down time and time again by there software. Prime example of this is the Ipaq, the machine itself works well, I must admit PPC itself runs well, with minimal problems, but ActiveSynch is a shit pain in the arse bodged pile of crap. It always has a problem syncing, its DAMN slow and randomly deciedes to clear my inbox and refuse to acknowledge that there is ANY mails there to read, but only after 5 mins of scanning the mailbox!!
Any, thats my rant/2c
Eck
[quote="eckrall"]Just to chuck my 2 cents into this conversation, I think people will buy the phone which suites their needs, EG. I was tempted by the SPV, but i already own an Ipaq, so it would have been a waste to double up features, also I find MS products inherently unstable, the hardware is usually top notch (MS Mice, joysticks, keyboards all own #1 spot for most ppl) but they get let down time and time again by there software. Prime example of this is the Ipaq, the machine itself works well, I must admit PPC itself runs well, with minimal problems, but ActiveSynch is a shit pain in the arse bodged pile of crap. It always has a problem syncing, its DAMN slow and randomly deciedes to clear my inbox and refuse to acknowledge that there is ANY mails there to read, but only after 5 mins of scanning the mailbox!!
Any, thats my rant/2c
Eck[/quote]
Tell me this, who needs a phone that crashes, slow, unresponsive etc...!?
I think Microsoft is far more clever than we think.
I think that their phone aims the market of phones made for teens like the 8200 and 8300 or better say 7200 and not series 60 nor symbian.
Teens usually (I say usually) wants some basic things from their phone like sms/mms,size of the phone being small,games etc. etc.
But what really ms wants is to slowly put them in the pc market and think that if they fix the bugs they may achieve that in one level.
But for people like us who really knows what they want and how to get it, ms phone just sucks...
Also I don't remember where but I saw somewhere in the internet an interview of Bill Gates saying that Microsoft is far behind Nokia, he couldn't even dare to say the word Symbian.
Symbian is not Nokia's. Symbian is an Epoc/Psion based OS I think. Although Nokia has helped in the making of it.
(some background info:Ericsson used a version of Epoc/Psion on their R380 mobile just before symbian was created)
A picture that speaks a 1000 words
MS is just flippin crap. yet we still buy there products. were all pawns.
Pawns and Kings my friend...
Fools and Emperors,that's what we are...
Continuing with the MS trend, now that the MS cert security has been cracked for the SPV maybe non-professional sofware will be due to follow: -
Hahaha I love the register for the way they put it, you do it like this [BIG BOLD LETTERS EXPLAINING] "but of course we dont indorse it" ... the other way can be found right here [link] 😊 hahaha. I like um! MICROSOFT IS CRAP!!! I wonder if they do any descent software [apart from the excellent free program, bootvis 😊]
[quote="Merlin"]Continuing with the MS trend, now that the MS cert security has been cracked for the SPV maybe non-professional sofware will be due to follow: -
http://212.100.234.54/content/59/28857.html[/quote]
The link seems broken? 😞
Try the register for the article!
www.theregister.co.uk
I had a go on the SPV today... and... all i can say is 'What a naff phone' Hasnt changed abit! Im glad i took mine back! I find it Simply amusing how they have an update system for it...! because there will be errors etc... The existance show that they know there gonna have to release updates!!! its simply naff!
Plus it doesnt have Bluetooth
And the keys are awfull! Specially the arrow key, if u press up your in danger of press left and right aswell!
IF FINALLY FOUND WINDOWS SOURCE CODE!!!!! HERE IT IS!! You ready for it!
IF load=true
THEN computer=crash
PRINT "Fatel error"
Aparantly the SPV is a compressed windows, they theorize its
Everything=Crash
PRINT ""
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Is it me,or Zipper is posting replys to himself? :roll:
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Hi,
for those that are interested (not wanting to start a flame thing) I just switched from a 7650 to an SPV. I did this because I spent a whole day trying to sync the thing with XP using a bluetooth cf card that finally never worked. Gone are the days when this sort of thing interested me - I just wanted something that syncs, and this does the trick!
So, my impressions, positive and negative, are:
POSITIVE
great screen, 65K colours, wow!
love the home screen, like pocketpc but better
full internet is excellent
windows media player with 128MB+ SD card for music and videos is incredible, sound is amazing
games - wow, check out rebound and interstellar flames (maybe this last is out for 7650?)
great to not have to worry about memory
really great guessing of what number your going to call
quite a bit smaller than the 7650
excellent stereo headsets with call answer and volume control in the box
and of course, syncs like a dream (no xp problems here!)
NEGATIVE
really small keyboard, often hit the wrong key
would like it if the "screen saver" was more than screen off - ie showed the time like the 7650 - no more, just that would be nice
do not like the idea of not closing applications behind me
do not like not having a task switcher
no built in camera
no built in bluetooth (not that I ever got the bloody thing working, I've really gone off that technology - if you just want to sync, give me a cradle anyday. As a modem, that's another story of course)
navigation seems less "clean" than the 7650
That's about it. All in all I'm going to stick to the SPV. I'll miss the clean OS of symbian, but love the more feature rich smartphone OS and easy sync. If nokia ever fixes up the sync hell and sticks a cradle in the kit, I'll be back!
Sorry you switched,you should've asked here,someone would've found a solution for your problem.
Syncing works fine for most of people you know.
One significant problem was previous PC suite versions not being supported under Windows XP.
Windows XP supported version is out now (I'm not sure about this because i use Linux and Windows 2000)
You are blaming Symbian about it but there is more the one issue why syncing failed to work: Setup for the Bluetooth card was not good,bad drivers,old version of wildcomm,the rigistry fix etc etc.
great screen, 65K colours, wow!
love the home screen, like pocketpc but better
full internet is excellent
windows media player with 128MB+ SD card for music and videos is incredible, sound is amazing
games - wow, check out rebound and interstellar flames (maybe this last is out for 7650?)
really great guessing of what number your going to call
quite a bit smaller than the 7650
excellent stereo headsets with call answer and volume control in the box
and of course, syncs like a dream (no xp problems here!)
You like or dislike some trivial things about it,screen saver? Home screen,all of this can be changed with third part apps,oh yes i forgot,they have to be certified.I wonder how do Orange and MS check certificats now,when SPV security is cracked,maybe there is a dude in black suite behind you,checking out what apps you are running 😃
I dont want to start on the bugs,missing features and negative sides that SPV has,quite a lot more the positive.
[quote="GhostDog"]Is it me,or Zipper is posting replys to himself? :roll:
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hehehe - I kept thinking of bad things!... Granted I had to stop or else I would have kept posting till... well... Some time in the future.
The bad thing about the SPV is Microsoft. Simply put. Like your above post 😊
Good points Ghost Dog.
Two little add-ons: I've actually had so much pain with bluetooth that I think for syncing, a cradle is great. I only think bluetooth is better when you want to use it as a modem (I'm not talking about bluetooth earsets, of course, which sound cool)
The other thing about contacts 😃 The SPV has them too, but what it does which is really cool is when you tiype on the keyboard, it matches the numbers as either letters (similair to T9) in a contact, or phone numbers. It means normally by three keypresses you have the contact up. It is excellent! This is more useful than you'd expect, because the damned keyboard is so small 😮ops:
One other thing I like is that the call history application is not slow. I found it really slow on the 7650 and caused it to hang.
I don't think I'll get the camera because I've heard it is really slow. I'll maybe get on of the casio exilim 2.1MP cameras that is the size of a credit card and uses SD cards, so I can easily take the card out and bang it into the SPV. The IA-Album software works really well. Still, you have to pay for it 😞
Something the SPV does not have is voice dial. I never used this anyway, or had much luck getting it working unless I spoke really loud and sharp, but the SPV was meant to have this! I think in an update orange removed this because it was a power hog, but I think this is false advertising. I have not notiiced apps being slow, except for opening windows media player.
I think, like the 7650, it is not the perfect phone! That doesn't exist yet. Still, they're both damned good phones!!
What A load a tosh! [above post by guest] Im not attacking you or anything... But it is a useless phone, pluss log doesnt hang any more on new 4.XX FW... which is good! You should get a Camera with your SPV anyway [here in england they do it all in a box, spv, camera, case, Headset etc.... inc in price] I had it and took it back after 12 days! Useless phone indeed!
[quote="guest"]Good points Ghost Dog.
Two little add-ons: I've actually had so much pain with bluetooth that I think for syncing, a cradle is great. I only think bluetooth is better when you want to use it as a modem (I'm not talking about bluetooth earsets, of course, which sound cool)
The other thing about contacts 😃 The SPV has them too, but what it does which is really cool is when you tiype on the keyboard, it matches the numbers as either letters (similair to T9) in a contact, or phone numbers. It means normally by three keypresses you have the contact up. It is excellent! This is more useful than you'd expect, because the damned keyboard is so small 😮ops:
One other thing I like is that the call history application is not slow. I found it really slow on the 7650 and caused it to hang.
I don't think I'll get the camera because I've heard it is really slow. I'll maybe get on of the casio exilim 2.1MP cameras that is the size of a credit card and uses SD cards, so I can easily take the card out and bang it into the SPV. The IA-Album software works really well. Still, you have to pay for it 😞
Something the SPV does not have is voice dial. I never used this anyway, or had much luck getting it working unless I spoke really loud and sharp, but the SPV was meant to have this! I think in an update orange removed this because it was a power hog, but I think this is false advertising. I have not notiiced apps being slow, except for opening windows media player.
I think, like the 7650, it is not the perfect phone! That doesn't exist yet. Still, they're both damned good phones!![/quote]
I mentioned contacts because i've heard that you cant dial a number from the contact menu? (I have never used the SPV,only seen it,and all i'm saying is comming from what i've read about it)
Please confirm or deny this.
And yes,what Zipper said is true, V 4.XX firmware revision are quite fast,i upgraded from v 3.16 to v 4.39 couple of days ago,end the difference is quite big.
It would be a shame if the apps would run slow on a phone with such powerful hardware.But it wouldn't suprise me if they do,afterall,it is MS 😃
I found this on a thread in the MoDoCo forums.
At least they have a sense of humour 😃