LOCKED:TomTom patch for N95 available now? (warning: scam information in this thread)

great post "sbc" :icon14:

While I agree with you on many points, your still wrong to call them creepy with no reason whatsoever.

So what exactly are they gaining? Web page hits, from N95 users looking for a TomTom patch. Not exactly people whom are going to buy other stuff from their stores.

As for tomtom allowing them to distribute a patch, well theres lots of factors in that. No, it doesnt make commercial sense. Apart from the fact they will sell more tomtom packages because of it.

Why will people wait for version 7 when tomtom wont even say if they will support the N95? And they havent said when version 7 will be out. So all they risk by making people wait is losing them to other like copilot, and navigon etc.

You mention the upgrade way, which is possible, but tomtom dont charge for upgrades, they charge for updated maps.

And as you say, its very likely an easy fix, which could have been done months ago, but that begs the question, why isnt it released if so?

Your 'grandmas cookies' anology (like many) is grossly unfair. They are obviously specialising in PDAs, satnav, and that area so its not totally unbelieveable.

As for them letting them, it depends what they are doing. The patch might be a third party bit of software that runs. it might be a change to the N95. You dont know, and if its not a change to the tomtom program itself, theya re not breaking any rules.

And no-one here has given them any money, and nor are they asking for any upfront. So thats another point shot down.

Personally, I do beleive its too good to be true (as I stated earlier) and i think youd be suprised at how many people think the same on this forum.

However, you have no right calling them 'creepy' etc, unless of course you have actually dealt with them?

Course, if it all turns out to be a hoax, all they will have gained is bad press, on this forum and presumably others.

Is it a plan just to gain more traffic? Quite possibly, Ive seen much lower things done. But then, as i have had no expirence with them, I cant automatically beleive they are and cant call them names.

So lets sit and wait before calling them creepy eh?

sbc wrote: Creating a patch is not that hard for TomTom. Why would they need outside assistance for that? Just give the program the option to listen to more ports for GPS data than what is currently available. It would take a few weeks including testing, so it could have been ready months ago. But while it can help out here and now and maybe make a few N95 users buy v6, waiting for v7 to be ready would force every N95 + TT owner to pay for an upgrade, providing TT with a huge profit margin.

I have legally owned TT5 and TT6, and I am sick and tired of paying for a new product every time Nokia release new handsets. If TT make me wait (another 3-6 months?) then charge £70 for V7 upgrade just so I can use the Internal N95 GPS, I might be tempted to look for a free upgrade to V7 on a Torrent site.

If, as you suggest TT are holding back on support for the N95, just to make a huge profit margin with upgrades to V7, then they are just profiteering and greedy and are showing total contempt for their existing customer base. All this greedy, cynical approach will achieve is to drive legal TT owners to their competitors or to the pirate sites. I hope someone at TomTom is reading this forum!

The ideal situation would be for TT to offer N95 support on their website, either by releasing TT6.03 for Symbian (TT6.03 for PDA already exists and supports internal GPS) or by placing a link to the free gpsmidlands patch (if the patch really exists).

Finally, although I think TomTom is the best GPS SW available on the Nokia Symbian platform, I already have Route66 working with my N95 Internal GPS so I will not buy TT7 simply for that function.

sbc wrote:Why they are creepy? Yes, a poorly unprofessionally designed website, but also the fact that they advertize stuff on the front page which millions of N95 users are looking for, yet when asked they have yet to proof it exsist. Instead they just push the 'release date' while generating a huge amount of traffic. No doubt the largest amount they have EVER seen. Can you imagine the amount of $ they'd have to put into banners and so on to gain the same effect? We are talking very big money here. So is there really a better way to generate traffic than to claim they have what everybody wants? That sounds amazing!

TomTom partners just mean they are allowed to sell the TomTom product. Big deal. They are allowed to make money for TomTom, what business aren't?

Don't you think TomTom have heard about the Nokia N95? Don't you think they have discussed financial ascpects of releasing either a patch for the N95 or to wait for TT7 to be ready?
Creating a patch is not that hard for TomTom. Why would they need outside assistance for that? Just give the program the option to listen to more ports for GPS data than what is currently available. It would take a few weeks including testing, so it could have been ready months ago. But while it can help out here and now and maybe make a few N95 users buy v6, waiting for v7 to be ready would force every N95 + TT owner to pay for an upgrade, providing TT with a huge profit margin. Suddenly allowing a 3. party to create and release a patch just doesn't make any sense.

When have you last seen a huge piece of software being updated by a small, unknow 3. party company? When did GrandmasCookies.com provide an update to core system files of Windows Vista? songsrus.com provide an update to iPhone? It just doesn't happen, because the software owner would never allow it. How would they deal with new bugs introduced by this unknown company? TomTom support could be going red hot and they wouldn't know what to do, because they didn't make the update. Besides, the reverse engineering needed to make a patch is SO illegal.

If you wanna give a company your money based on the fact that they are spreading a story you'd LIKE to believe, then go ahead. But I think most of us really don't wanna support that way of doing business, because we KNOW they'll do it again if it works, and so will others.

If it turns out to be the real deal after all, I'd be happy to accept that I was wrong. Very happy. But... If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

I understand why you have come to those conclusions, but you are wrong about a few things;

Firstly, i was told by GPSmidlands that they had been told not to release it by TomTom. Why? because TomTom does not want version 6 to be released. Why dont tomtom want V6 updated? - two reasons that should be very obvious; a) they know damn well that a significant huge number of people have pirate copies, it's everywhere, and B) with version 7 coming out, they don't want version 6 competing with version 7. You have got it completely the wrong way around, tomtom could actually benefit from waiting for version 7. Think of all those people that would have upgraded. There is a special term for this in marketing, it's called the ******* effect. I can't remember the exact name.

Secondly, GPSmidland's don't claim to have patched or altered the tomtom code at all. They claim they have changed a settings with the N95 which "just so happens" it basically makes TomTom work by swapping port numbers. They say they are not releasing it on TomTom's request due to licensing issues, but they are only modifying the N95 in a legal way. It's not their fault if copy protection is weak.

Basically, the whole thing is a bit more complicated than you realise.

One other thing, type in "PDA Repairs" into google. They are near the top on the front page. Thats their core business, why would they need use such a cheap and obscure way of gaining traffic? So thats just silly, especially when there are other much better ways to promote a website AND get the customers spending money.

But yes, it's could be bollocks. I think there is a possibility it is, but i am afraid the reasons you give don't make it so.

Calling them creepy is out of order too, this is a public forum and you don't know them, have not dealt with them, nor do you know if its really true or not.

autopilot wrote: Firstly, i was told by GPSmidlands that they had been told not to release it by TomTom. Why? because TomTom does not want version 6 to be released. Why dont tomtom want V6 updated? - two reasons that should be very obvious; a) they know damn well that a significant huge number of people have pirate copies, it's everywhere, and B) with version 7 coming out, they don't want version 6 competing with version 7.

Does that mean they are not going to release the patch till TT version 7 then?

Is there a date (even a rough one) for the release of V7?

bartmanekul wrote:Does that mean they are not going to release the patch till TT version 7 then?

Is there a date (even a rough one) for the release of V7?

If tomtom have their way, no patch for 6.

As for a date for 7, not sure. But they have just started rolling the new version on the stand alone devices and mobile versions should follow in the next couple of weeks. It will be out well in time for next xmas.

Can i just say, i am only going on what i have read in reputable magazines and heard from sources i believe are far more likely to be true than false. Don't take anything i say is being 100% right, it could all be bollocks!!!

If its true and the fix doesnt involve any changing of tomtoms program, there isnt much they can do about it anyway.

But christmas? Bugger that, its ages away. Not knowing if its anytime between then is pants. I might just have to bite the bullet and go for copilot.

I'll wait till monday at least, and see what this GPSmidlands brings, tho in truth Im not hopeful at all.

Hi Guys

I was invited into the main office of GpsMidlands yesterday and can confirm I actually saw the n95 working with tomtom 6 and using the integral gps.

The com port was taken from co-pilot software and to be perfectly honest looked quite simple.

It seemed so easy to set up.

Has anyone else tried co-pilot software

The integral receiver seems to be given a 'virtual port' and the bluetooth option within tomtom shows the new com port quite clearly.

One thing puzzled me was that the patch seems to have nothing to do with tomtom but seems to open the configuation up as another com port.

I asked why they couldnt just post the patch on the site but seemed determined to stick to their guns. They have however said they will post some images to show it working

They have told me to hold fire for a few days and it will be released free of charge so the rip off merchants dont start selling it on ebay.

@dez_borders
I agree with you 100%

@autopilot
Right now 'they' (I am not going to advertize their name) can claim whatever they want. They haven't produced a N95 patch any more than I have. They have given us nothing, just word.

autopilot wrote:You have got it completely the wrong way around, tomtom could actually benefit from waiting for version 7. Think of all those people that would have upgraded.

autopilot wrote:Basically, the whole thing is a bit more complicated than you realise.

@paultheman
Sorry, but this is your first posting and you so clearly registered (on july 24) just to type that message. What are the odds that you, a new guy here, just happened to wander in to the store we are talking about on the right day and seeing what we all want to see, then come by here, again on exactly the right day?
That's what this is all about. Thinking twice before accepting whatever people tells you. Considering the odds and so on, and it doesn't make this thing look very good.

@bartmanekul and others
"No reason whatsoever" to call this company creepy? If lying to gain business isn't creepy, then what is?

Name one (1) instance where an unknown 3. party company (not even a software developer!) has created a patch for a world renowned piece of software and I'll tip my hat to you.

'They' are gaining tens of thousands of hits due to this. Do you think not one single soul has clicked on their goods links to see what they are selling, at what price? They ARE getting money from this, right now as we speak.

Your points are taken, even though I find them somewhat naive. If you don't find hits to a commercial site worth anything, then why do you think stores constantly lowers the price of single items to the point of loosing money on each sale, if it isn't to attract the costumer into the store in the first place? That's what advertizing is all about, gaining attention.

Look, I have been in discussions like this a million times. Like someone claiming to have WM5 for a 2003SE device and people licking his @ss for the prospect of getting what they so dearly want. Where those thinking twice before jumping on the wagon are flamed to h@ll in a breadbasket, because who are they to insult the 'prophet'? Yet this almost NEVER turns out good. There's a reason for the saying 'if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is', you know...

You just keep believing if that's what you want. Come monday they'll change the deadline again and by that time you'll be even more excited, 'because now we are so close'. But it will never happen. I am not waisting any more time on this...

How dare you infer that I would deliberately mislead any forum.

I do not visit forums very often because I have no need.

I was merely trying to 'enlighten' people what I saw with my own eyes.

I run a small transport business and we all bought the N95 on the assumption that I could use it with tomtom and also the excellent feature spec. Problem is tomtom are absolutely c**p when it comes to solving problems with their software. I'm not saying they are deliberately witholding the new relaese but it makes sense to get more money from us punters

Due to the delay with the 'official' patch I contacted gpsmidlands for some advice(after all this issue is all over the net.

The reason I came to know about the patch was there has been enormous interest locally and this company has an established footing in the area. They obviously specialise in Gps kit so whats the problem

You people need to get a life because just because you want to stick yourselves to a forum into the early hours of the morning some of us have to work for a living(joke).

It may interest you to know that gpsmidlands have been offered all sorts of strange amounts to release this patch and this is obviously a commercial opportunity for some unscrupulous characters to cash in.

Shame on you merry people for having such a pessimistic outlook.

You all seem to take comfort in criticising each other, why dont you get off your backsides and solve it between you

It might be worth you calling in yourselves in person to see the N95 working.

Like they said to me someone will be selling the patch on ebay within hours of its release and who's the monkey then ?

Maybe you are for real, who knows? But when you have been using forums for more than a decade, you learn to be suspicious of people who register 1 minute before revealing important information. That's just a fact of life and it is an accusation against your 1 day old nick, not you as a person.
The same goes for the general pessimistic outlook on this. When you've seen it all a few times, you stop believing everything people tells you. Proof is a very good thing 😊

I'll give you that TomTom are very bad at releasing patches and fixes. I believe we all wish someone else held the license for their great software, but right now I can't see anyone else release a patch for TT. If indeed at patch should be released by a third party, it would be to the N95 itself or else TT wouldn't accept it. Hacking/reverse engineering isn't on the top of the happy list of those who own software rights.

People sell EVERYTHING on eBay. If it's free software I don't see the objection from the programmer, only from the buyer?

Anyway, I'd be happy to visit 'them' if I had the chance, just to clear things up, but not all of us live in the UK, you know (and different timezones = 'morning' isn't at the same time for us all). Some of us aren't even English speaking, we just adapt 😊

Your blinkered, and stupid for calling me nieve SBC. I am anything but. If you look at what Ive said, (that means reading, sorry to be sarky but you obviously didnt) I didnt think it was true. You wouldnt beleive how many ISPs Ive routed out with untrue claims, as well as other things.

However, Ive found that calling them names before I have any proof is wrong, and doesnt get anyone anywhere.

However, I state again that you have had no dealings with this company, so have no right calling them creepy, or other childish names.

You have suspicions, I have suspicions, but since you actually have no idea at all if your right, you can only speculate, same as me.

You state your calling them creepy because they are lying. Well wheres your proof? You cannot say that they havent done the patch unless they prove it at the same time you call them liers without any proof. Pot kettle black anyone?

No-one is 'licking their ass', no-one has paid cash. And if its a hoax, so what? They gain traffic, big whoop. They will also gain serious negativity on these boards once its revealed they were telling porkies.

@ Paultheman

Sorry, but you should accept people being cynical towards your claims. The trouble is, its happened so many times before. A claim for a much wanted fix from an unknown company, a discussion, and then a new member turning up and saying it works.

The reasons why people are suspect:

Its a fix people have been wanting for a while

Its almost too good to be true

Its done by a pretty much unheard of company

No-one else has managed to do it yet.

I wouldnt bother with images, they can be faked and would get shot down in flames no matter how good they are.

However, what would be good is if one of the *regulars* went into the place and got some info about it, or better yet, went to see it working. I would, but Im too far away.

I can understand its frustrating if your trying to tell people what you have seen personally, but blame the many hoaxers that have posted exactly the same sort of thing you have, many many times before.

Im afraid what people need is solid proof (or actual confirmation from one of the regulars on here). And if the date gets pushed back again, no-one is going to beleive them, no matter what excuses are put out.

@bartmanekul
You are 100% right in what you are saying to Paultheman. Sorry to him if he is the real deal, but as a new member he has no way of adding power to his words. At least you can see that I didn't register just for this, although I left a few days after registering and went Windows Mobile 😊

Of course we are just speculating, what else? All we can do is access the data of the current situation, which are virtually none. So I take it one step further, just like you did with Paultheman, and used the previous experiences to build upon. And they are not very promising.

Anyway, I might very well be wrong, which I hope, because I want this to be true as much as the next guy. TT is SO much better than anything else on the market, so getting it now instead of 3-6 months down the road would be fantastic. But usually when people makes fantastic claims and show no proof, they are to be considered a hoax. Again, just like you told Paultheman...

Indeed, but you will notice I didnt call him creepy or any other name, nor accuse him of lying 🙄

Neither am I, as you may have noticed? Because he isn't trying to make money out of false claims. And hits on the homepage = money, wether you like it or not.

*sigh*

I was more on about calling the company names, but nm. And yes, I know hits= money, but you still have no proof of them lying. 'Tens of thousands of hits' might just be an overestimate dont you think?

Back on topic, almost, heres the navigon page of compatibility. http://www.navigon.com/site/uk/en/mobile_navigation/cellphone/symbianphone/compatibility

Interestingly, they support a much larger range of phones than tomtom. They assure me the 6110 and N95 will be supported in August/September.

I have yet to see if they will have 7 digit postcode support, although I cant see them not.

I found navigon because I was reading a GPS article on the register, and apperently, navigon have the second biggest market share, second to only tomtom. Suprised me to say the least, as navigon isnt as well known as navman, route66 etc.

And you get the whole of europe for £70 for a software only download. Sadly, I cant find many reviews of it.

Dont spose anyone here has used it (the latest version)?

2.400+ hits already on this thread. How many of these visitors do you think check 'their' site often for the patch? Besides, I believe there is something called Google, which also might provide a hit or two? In case you bother to try googling for a N95 TT patch, you'll notice your beloved company now are amongst the top 10 searches. Have you any idea of the value of this? So stop your silly 'sigh' remarks.

sbc wrote:
What do you mean I've got it completely wrong? That's exactly (!) what I am saying. That TT will gain from waiting until version 7 is ready...???

Indeed, we were making the same point. But my point was that there was a good reason that TomTom had got them to hold off with the patch.

Whats also wrong with advertising something on a website before it's released to generate interest before it's avalable? everyone does this all the time. What i don't take issue with is the wording "Available now" as even if it does exist it's clearly not available. "Coming soon" would be more honest (if it's real).

sbc wrote:
I present the complicated version, whereas a few of you just 'want to believe', yet it is more complicated than I think? 😊

Oh dear, i was not implying your were somehow being thick, are your reaction would indicate. Just that there might be stuff going on that you or i don't know about.

sbc wrote:

@paultheman
Sorry, but this is your first posting and you so clearly registered (on july 24) just to type that message. What are the odds that you, a new guy here, just happened to wander in to the store we are talking about on the right day and seeing what we all want to see, then come by here, again on exactly the right day?
That's what this is all about. Thinking twice before accepting whatever people tells you. Considering the odds and so on, and it doesn't make this thing look very good.

Well said. It's quite obvious that 'paul' is from GPSmidlands IMO.

sbc wrote:
Name one (1) instance where an unknown 3. party company (not even a software developer!) has created a patch for a world renowned piece of software and I'll tip my hat to you.

A) Have you actually spent anytime looking at there site? They quite clearly advertise and have case studies from there software development. Ok, there is a chance that could be a hoax too. But how do you know?

B) Are you a software developer? I was for 4 years, plenty of work get submitted to large firms and even by individuals on a daily basis. Sometime they would even listen to you unless you have some working come for them to test. Many of the Windows Security updates have been submitted by small firms. Many companies often create there own patch for software they rely on. Our firm made changes to Microsoft server which eventually was approved my MS and got use by other firms. I have no doubt that it's happened many times, most times it probably never becomes public.

C) Point B above is a moot point, as it seem the no changes were made to tomtom.

sbc wrote:
@bartmanekul and others
"No reason whatsoever" to call this company creepy? If lying to gain business isn't creepy, then what is?

Hang on here.... you say you could be wrong and it's just speculation (which it is) then you say they are definatly lying. Make you mind up and stop being a hypocrite. You don't sound like sound one speculating, you are clearly just say it's a fact.

sbc wrote:
Look, I have been in discussions like this a million times. Like someone claiming to have WM5 for a 2003SE device and people licking his @ss for the prospect of getting what they so dearly want. Where those thinking twice before jumping on the wagon are flamed to h@ll in a breadbasket, because who are they to insult the 'prophet'? Yet this almost NEVER turns out good. There's a reason for the saying 'if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is', you know...

Who is licking ass? prophet!!! what did you get that shit from? If we were really talking about the prophet we would have had our head cut off by now! (that's a joke). Please justify that claim you arrogant twat. We are also very sceptical. Obviously you can't be bother to actually properly read what anyone says because it's clearly not as important as what you say. Thats complete bollocks.

sbc wrote:
I am not waisting any more time on this...

Good, as you have nothing useful to say it seems. Bye. Because you are a complete dick, arrogant and self opinionated. We have all be sceptical and challenged the claim, yet somehow YOU KNOW the truth and we are all stupid for not 100% believing your version and should not be allowed to talk about it on this 'bandwagon' lol.

And the "too good to be true..." is often right, but not always. I could give a good example of something that i got for free this morning. If you base all your you life on that you will miss out on many opportunities. That old saying (which people usually say just to sound clever and down to earth) can be a self fulfilling prophecy. It certainly indicates your miserable attitude.

Sorry it upsets you that other people like to sit on the fence and have a sensible discussion about something that may or may not be true. Really you are just pissed that we were being sceptical, yet still challenged you over calling the "creepy" and "liars" with no more proof or insight than anyone else. You completely fail to see that we piratically totally agree, just that we don' make public insults (potentially damaging ones) about people we know nothing about based on an (possibly sound) theory.

I edge on the side that it's true (not by a huge margin mind), you are almost completely sure it's not. Thats cool - so why could we have not had a simple discussion based on that without you making it personal?

Yes you have wound me up. Have a biscuit. You know what, i thought for a while it might be a traffic generating scam. But you are so arrogant in the way you make your points, i find you slightly creepy.

Christo, grow up will you? Its not my 'beloved' company. I dont know how many more times you want me to say I dont think the patch is real. That doesnt mean I cant follow what happens and ask about it, nor does it stop me from discussing it.

My point - and this is the last time Im saying this - is that its unreasonable to call a company names until you have proof. You can voice your opinions all you like, and Im sure you can get away with calling them creepy, but it just makes you look like the idiot.

You may well be right (theres other reasons I suspect it not to be true which I wont say), but again, until you have proof your just shooting your mouth off.

Hell, you havent even dealt with this company. Feel free to correct me on that, although Im expecting proof.

You may have been on forums for a decade (allegedly - wheres the proof!), but you obviously havent learnt anything about manners.

[quote=from 'their' site]Nokia N95 Patch to Use Internal Receiver with TomTom Software
Available Now !!![/quote]
And no patch being available would make them liars to most ppl, I believe.

Btw@autopilot
Yes, I have been doing software for quite a few years. Been working for a subcontractor doing soft and localization. Most likely you have a few items on your pc, where I was part of the creation process.

autopilot wrote:Who is licking ass? Please justify that claim you arrogant twat.

SBC wrote:someone claiming to have WM5 for a 2003SE device and people licking his @ss

bartmanekul wrote:

I have yet to see if they will have 7 digit postcode support, although I cant see them not.

Tom Tom have had 7-digit postcodes since TT5, as a seperate download. I assume it's automatically installed as part of TT6.

His point, is that your inferring the same here, whereas everyone is sceptical and not licking anyones ass.

A very good point with them still having that text up there.

Im not going to argue, autopilot is right, your too self opinionated. Ive seen hundreads of people like you on forums, and once they have something in their head, theres no point arguing.

So I respectfully suggest that unless you have anything *useful* to contribute about this patch, other than saying what we all suspect anyway - its fake -, dont say anything at all.

We wont agree with you, you wont agree with us (even though we suspect the same thing), so lets leave it lie.

@ Dez: I was on about navigon when I said that. I know about TT5, as Ive got it :P

sbc wrote:And no patch being available would make them liars to most ppl, I believe.

Btw@autopilot
Yes, I have been doing software for quite a few years. Been working for a subcontractor doing soft and localization. Most likely you have a few items on your pc, where I was part of the creation process.

And just for that remark, I lost ALL sympathy for you! If you were able to read, I was talking about an episode which happened years ago, you even quoted me yourself!

EVERYONE! Count to 10 and calm down.

If the patch is NOT available on Monday we can slag off gpsmidlands.
If the patch IS available on Monday we can all download it free of charge.

How does that sound? If there's a moderator in these forums can he request we stop slagging each other off in this thread, or at least do it with private messages. 😉

sbc wrote:
And just for that remark, I lost ALL sympathy for you! If you were able to read, I was talking about an episode which happened years ago, you even quoted me yourself!

Come on now, it seemed quite obvious you were implying the same of us. If genuinely not, then i take it back 😊

bartmanekul wrote:
You may have been on forums for a decade (allegedly - wheres the proof!), but you obviously havent learnt anything about manners.

Well said. I was using the original bulletin board systems some 15-20 years ago, big deal, but if sbc want his dick length competition, there you go.

Anyway, i apologise to all for getting so sound up back there. My manours clearly departed for a while. Was a little OTT in all fairness. Damn giving up smoking!!!

@autopilot
There were no boards 20 years ago. We were on UseNet back then.

@dez_borders
You are right, again! 😊

The site does tell us on the front page they have the patch but when asked, they don't. Then they said wednesday, but that didn't happen either. Now monday? Anyway, I am not here about the patch anymore. I am here for 1-2 'reasons', since some ppl have upped this to a personal level. I know some like to act tough behind the screen, but since I am somewhat bigger in physical size than most, I am not used to ppl behaving like that IRL. So when they up the ante, I reply.

Oh, and don't worry, dez_borders. I did report autopilot's posting #48 to the mods. That one was over the top.

Mmmmm! All very interesting, all very hot under the collar!
Here's my "take". Please feel free to pick holes, disagree and generally pull my thinking apart cos you guys slay me😎
Is the GPS chip a proprietory chip licenced to Nokia?
Is the operation of the N95 GPS dependant on an API developed by Nokia?
Have they released it for general use?
Could this be the reason we haven't seen any official 3rd party GPS software use internal chipset?
It should be possible to write a control routine in order to address the internal ports and therefore the GPS chipset! But, what licence infringement would that require? TomTom's? Nokias? And don't forget we are always told that we don't own the software only that we purchase a licence to use it!!!!!!!!
It should also be theretically possible to "hack" an API, but, I know its not easy. I remember a Motorola phone that had a GPS chip in it but Motorola would not release the API to allow developer access! There was shouting for ages about this. I don't know what happened because I sold the phone but Motorola weren't bothered about this and I don't think that TomTom or Nokia are either!
We have heard it all before.
Company promises something great for immediate release, lots of hype, everyone gets excited, much interest generated, release put back, more hype, put back again and again etc. (or it even disappears all together).
Why it could almost be Microsoft, Apple "............................" insert your favourite manufacturer!
So why does the older version of Route66 work on the internal port of the N95?
I find this very interesting! Could be that the development API was written by Route66 for Nokia and tested with their chipset and the Route 66 software before they released it with Nokia Maps. Never meant to get out into the wild as such; it just happened!
Route 66 obviously know how to make their software work with the N95, but, they haven't implemented it's use with their current version. That seems a little odd and to me points to a block on all dev by Nokia!
They want you signed up for their service first although I doubt that they will be able to hold out for long.
Can any developer confirm that Nokia have/haven't released the API and that this isn't all their fault?

pa49 wrote:
Could this be the reason we haven't seen any official 3rd party GPS software use internal chipset?

Plenty do mate. Copilot, Viewranger, mobile Google maps, to name just a few.

As for the API questions, i'm not sure it's all that complicated really. I'm not a mobile developer, i'm possibly wrong here, but from what i know it's just a case of the software 'listening' to the port that the standardised GPS data (used by all GPS systems) is being transmitted on. In essence, the software does not know the difference between bluetooth or internal, it's just need to be told to look at, for example, port 0027 or 0041 or whatever. Using the Nokia's GPS should be a piece of cake for any Symbian developer and this has been shown by the number of 'home brew' like programs that already use the GPS. Would made the GPS chipset (i heard something to do with Toshiba) should be irrelevant. Thats why all brands of bluetooth GPS units 'just work' without any extra software/drivers. The GPS application does not need to interact that deeply with the hardware.

@pa49
Well, finally there has been an official release of a huge N95 GPS program. Route 66 takes the honours 😊 Following link contains Dutch language, but even if you don't understand that, you can always look at the pictures 😊

http://www.pdashop.nl/product/42426/38145/3377/route-66-mobile-7-europa-software-n95-e90.html

I believe everyone is entitled to make software accessing the GPS port. And that's the important thing here: just the port transmitting the GPS data. So to make TT access the N95 GPS port, you'd either have to make it look for other ports than the BT ports, or redirect the GPS port data into what may look like a BT port to TT. The first option is only available to TT (or so I believe) due to software licenses, the second option have already been tried, and unfortunately it failed. But who knows what a good programmer can do?

A third option would be to manually patch the TT program to look directly at the N95 GPS port. That can be done by someone with the right knowledge, but it would be illegal as TT would never accept that. Maybe this is what happened to the 7.3.468 version of R66?

sbc wrote:@pa49
Well, finally there has been an official release of a huge N95 GPS program. Route 66 takes the honours 😊 Following link contains Dutch language, but even if you don't understand that, you can always look at the pictures 😊

Actually, R66 was not the first. Copilot (far better and almost as good as tomtom) was offcially released a few weeks ago. So was Viewranger and others, like mobile google maps.

R66 was quite late really 😊

Does that mean you have tried it? Ive been looking for someone who has tried copilot, and I mean properly tried it.

If you have, pleeaasseee could you give me a review on how it was, especially the postcodes and routing? :redface: