Battery is AWFUL

its bad mate really bad well mine is anyway

people seem ok with it but after my n73 which also has lots of features i dunno if i can live with having to carry another battery around

nokia its a joke

apparently they are releasing a nokia n95 us version with bigger battery compartment and 1200mah battery as standard

this sucks even more as now it prooves even nokia think the battery in original is way to small hence why they have gone all the way of re designing the back to accomadtae the bigger battery if they could have squeezed 1200mah into the us version without redesign iam sure they would would have been alot less effort money etc!!!

dam dam dam i bet the us one is half the price us euro customers pay as well probs 400+ dollars and are 1s are 400+ pounds lol and they even get a bigger battery

what an earth!!

the battery is not awful. Its SHIT. 😊

But I've accounted for that, and I usually get through two a day (I always carry a spare) because I use bluetooth headphones, and that increases battery drainage.

I wouldnt say its that bad, i mean if I had to charge it more than once a day that would be an issue for me but it isnt. Tbh my N70 battery is pretty much the same on my old phone

e.g yesterday i went out all day round the missuses and i only got back today. i've been playing snes games on it, music and making calls and when i got back I had 3 bars left on my battery. depends what you use really init, the more the demanding the sofware, the more the battery goes

ash213 wrote:Charged it, lasted about 30 hours. made a 30 minute call, listend to music for 10 minutes, surfed the web for 10 minutes.

Is this normal ?

No. You have to give the battery a few full charge/discharge cycles before it reaches full capacity.

But Nokia can't work miracles, I don't want to carry around a bigger battery than I need 90% of the time. I'd rather carry around a spare battery the odd time I'll need it. Like most people I can easily charge my phone daily.

10 minutes surfing the web is 10 minutes with a bright screen turned on, that's bound to be quite a drain on the battery.

andykn wrote:No. You have to give the battery a few full charge/discharge cycles before it reaches full capacity.

But Nokia can't work miracles, I don't want to carry around a bigger battery than I need 90% of the time. I'd rather carry around a spare battery the odd time I'll need it. Like most people I can easily charge my phone daily.

10 minutes surfing the web is 10 minutes with a bright screen turned on, that's bound to be quite a drain on the battery.

andykn,
Discharge and cycling or conditioning lithium ion batteries is bad!!!!!
Keeping them topped up whenever possible increases their usable capacity for the first few weeks and is then the way to keep them in optimum condition!

Mine hasn't been too bad for the past couple of weeks - it does need a charge each night but I've always charged whatever phone I have owned overnight. However, the last couple of days the battery has been going in a couple of hours. Yesterday it was fully charged at around midday, I watched about 1 mins of video (was just showing it off), and sent about a dozen texts, and then checked it mid evening and it had completely discharged and turned itself off! Am I doing something wrong? I don't think I have done anything different other than change the wallpaper, but not the power saving settings. Any thoughts? It's stayed full bars this morning so far but I've only sent a couple of texts.

Dontchya just hate people who say "ooh no, the battery's just great" ?
GRRRRR.
This phone needs at least a 4000 mAH unit.

It's a bit like a laptop manufacturer putting in 4 x AA rechargables.
Why are Nokia so passive about battery issues - waiting for product-killing negative publicity before addressing what is a VERY obvious problem ?
Maybe because there's no smartphone competition.
It's also a shame that they haven't addressed the cheap 'n creaky plastic build-quality issues.

4000?!

Methinks thats a bit unrealistic.

A 1200 wouldnt be though.

pa49 wrote:andykn,
Discharge and cycling or conditioning lithium ion batteries is bad!!!!!
Keeping them topped up whenever possible increases their usable capacity for the first few weeks and is then the way to keep them in optimum condition!

Its my understanding of the design of modern Li-Ion batteries that;

1/ As a Li-Ion cell will be damaged if it fully discharges, the battery has circuitry to ensure that will not happen.
2/ Whilst the battery shoud not be cycled regularly, it does need a couple of cycles when new to reach full capacity. Mine certainly lasts a lot longer now than when I first used it.

Pheonix SZ wrote:Dontchya just hate people who say "ooh no, the battery's just great" ?
GRRRRR.
This phone needs at least a 4000 mAH unit.

And Nokia should also be able to redefine the laws of physics and economics, and make such a battery so that it's not four times the weight, size and cost of the standard battery.

andykn wrote:Its my understanding of the design of modern Li-Ion batteries that;

1/ As a Li-Ion cell will be damaged if it fully discharges, the battery has circuitry to ensure that will not happen.
2/ Whilst the battery shoud not be cycled regularly, it does need a couple of cycles when new to reach full capacity. Mine certainly lasts a lot longer now than when I first used it.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by cycling.
The battery should not be allowed to get to the point where the phone switches off!
Each time it takes more effort to bring it back. There is a voltage cut off with Li ion batteries and going below that value conditions them lower over time!
So that's not a good idea.
They like constant use for max performance.

robgreb wrote:And Nokia should also be able to redefine the laws of physics and economics, and make such a battery so that it's not four times the weight, size and cost of the standard battery.

Everybody KNOWS that this is currently a technological impossibility.

But it cannot be denied that the N95 needs a 4000 mAH unit, which would bring its endurance to a reasonable level of acceptability.
That a battery of such capacity would not fit the phone's current dimensions is neither hither nor thither.
And that said requirement is beyond the scope of current battery technology makes no matter.

Well, not quite. The N95 is a massivly featured phone, and you have to expect some drawbacks because of it. Its a matter of tradeoff. You can have a lesser featured phone for more batterylife. Have a non colour screen retro nokia, and the battery will last a very very long time.

Having said all that, I do think the battery should have been a 1200, which they can fit into that space I believe, at reasonable cost.

I just think that expecting a phone with as many features to last as long as a normal phone isnt reasonable at this time.

Imo the power situation is the main barrier with small devices at the moment. You can cram a huge amount of technology into a small package, but powering it is a different matter.

bartmanekul wrote:Well, not quite. The N95 is a massivly featured phone, and you have to expect some drawbacks because of it. Its a matter of tradeoff. You can have a lesser featured phone for more batterylife. Have a non colour screen retro nokia, and the battery will last a very very long time.

Having said all that, I do think the battery should have been a 1200, which they can fit into that space I believe, at reasonable cost.

I just think that expecting a phone with as many features to last as long as a normal phone isnt reasonable at this time.

Imo the power situation is the main barrier with small devices at the moment. You can cram a huge amount of technology into a small package, but powering it is a different matter.

Sorry if I rambled! :redface:

TBH I wouldn't mind if the phone was slightly bigger / heavier but had a longer lasting battery.

I keep it charged most of the time, but it still runs down sometimes.

If Nokia had any real savvy, they'd fit it with a Li-Po battery.
And regardless of what anyone says, Li-Po batteries of the same mAH rating as Li-ion batteries, last much longer.
Why does all this really OBVIOUS stuff need explaining to Nokia ?

I imagine its because they would get complaints of dying batteries.

But I still think they could have given it a bigger battery.

Has anyone seen an E90 battery (1200) in comparision to an N95 battery (900 I beleive)?

Online at least, they look roughly the same size, but I dont know about 'in the flesh' as it were.

pa49 wrote:The battery should not be allowed to get to the point where the phone switches off!
Each time it takes more effort to bring it back. There is a voltage cut off with Li ion batteries and going below that value conditions them lower over time!
So that's not a good idea.
They like constant use for max performance.

Do you have any links with more information about this?

andykn wrote:Do you have any links with more information about this?

You could start here-
http://batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm

And here-
http://batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

Pheonix SZ wrote:If Nokia had any real savvy, they'd fit it with a Li-Po battery.
And regardless of what anyone says, Li-Po batteries of the same mAH rating as Li-ion batteries, last much longer.
Why does all this really OBVIOUS stuff need explaining to Nokia ?

Hey,

Sorry mate not true, the same Mah Li-Ion pack will perform for the same amount of time as an equivelant LiPo cell will.
The main difference between Li-Ion and LiPo is their abilitys to provide higher discharge ratings, something not needed in a mobile phone.

Again no, infact LiPo batterys are just as intolerant to how they are handled and hence will not last any longer infact probably shorter life spans than the Li-Ion.

Sorry but all Nokia need to do is up the capacity of the supplied N95 battery, they know what they are doing when it comes to battery chemisty just didn't think about current drain when using the N95's capabilitys.

Both Li-Ion and LiPo must not be discharged below 3 volts per cell and in a mobiles case, as they only use one cell 3 volts. Also they must not be charged above 4.2volts per cell.
In tests it is found the last few minutes of a LiPo cells discharge is were the most damage is done to the cell, also in charging as well. If charge was cut off at 4/4.1volts then over time the cell will last longer.

Battery technology is something I know a bit about as I use Li-Ion & LiPo battery packs in another hobby of mine. Li-Ion are used in low current draw aplications and LiPo in high draw.

Ian

battery run dead from fully charged at 9am to dead at 2.45 pm

how bad is that

25 mins calls max prob less

15 txts

no wap

no wifi

music via wired headphones for 2 hours

ive turned my backlight to 10 secs -- wifi strenght down to 4mw as i dont use it--power saving to 25 secs--keytones off--ringtone less then half--date and time not screensaver--

battery has had lots of charges

iam getting really wound up n80 was just as bad

people say you gotta expect this from a phone with as many features?? thats rubbish man maybe if i was using them for 2 hours solid or summin yeay BUT IAM NOT USING THEM i didnt take a pic or film i didnt watch a movie i didnt use gps wifi wap i dont even have screen on very bright

i used it like it was a nokia old black and white phone txts calls and a little music via wires not bluetooth

this is terrible really terrible

ive tryed a 1200mah battery prob a fake but that didnt wrk either arrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh how can nokia play with your emotions like this release a great spec phone you get it and are happy then 4-8 hours later your batterys died and all you can do is curse the device when a little while ago it was your pride and joy!!!!!!!!

my n73 can listen to music via wires for 8 hours and still have juice left thats with calls txtxs maybe some3g clips and tomtom etc

lol not the n95 take 2-3 batterys with you for the day if you wanna use it how bads that???

sort it out nokia pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeee

and sorry to disagree with some peeps but there is no way this batery is aceptable it just isnt

my n95 is going on ebay i think its a joke to the n series with battery like this i mean peeps are getting it as a free upgrade so its not to bad but if you paid 500 quid from ther nokia website are you saying you wouldnt be peed off?? 500 quid for a phone with a battetry thats dosent last all day what ever you try

i wouldnt one bit

What is your location Buxz777? I wonder if running these in GSM markets is better than the US market in terms of battery life, and hence the updated version coming out with the bigger battery for the US?
edit: ok, you mention 500quid, that gives it away... grrr. read the whole message tony! So there goes that theory.

"1200mAh batter that didn't work", do you mean didn't even work in the phone, or didn't last long? Because the ebay stock batttery I got didn't work either, and if you look at the pins that make contact with the Nokia phone pins, you will see they often wouldn't touch in the position they come out in from those dodgy chinese manufacturers (there is another good battery thread here about fake batteries etc), so a needle or pin can be used to move the battery pins across a bit so they can make contact with the phone pins.
Regards

nah it fitted ok but just didnt give longer life iam sure if nokia could have designed a 1200 battery to fit they wouldnt have re designed the back of the us n95

so i think its probs a fake 1200mah probs a 950mah with good labelling stating 1200mah

ive seen a 1400mah but its a bit bigger and you get a new back case to cover the extended battery makes phone a bit thicker 2 but if its genuinely 1400mah it should at least get you hrough the day with good usage

but due to it being bigger it could genuinely mean its a 1400mah which might be worth the extra thickness in my eyes anyway 😊

by the way i didnt pay 500quid for it

was a contract upgrade but was just saying thats the rrp price of it via nokia

you should get a decent battery for that surley??

buxz777 wrote: battery run dead from fully charged at 9am to dead at 2.45 pm

how bad is that

25 mins calls max prob less

15 txts

no wap

no wifi

music via wired headphones for 2 hours

My usage is significantly more than yours but without the music app use, and I get 2 to 3 days use. I suggest it's the Music Player that's draining the battery so fast in your case?

buxz777 wrote:
my n95 is going on ebay i think its a joke to the n series with battery like this i mean peeps are getting it as a free upgrade so its not to bad but if you paid 500 quid from ther nokia website are you saying you wouldnt be peed off?? 500 quid for a phone with a battetry thats dosent last all day what ever you try

�500? You are in for a BIG disappointment on eBay the average price for a brand new unlocked N95 is �275 - �290.

How good/bad is your 3G coverage?
If dual mode is enabled and you have som bad 3G coverage this can significantly decrease battery life.

buxz777 wrote:battery run dead from fully charged at 9am to dead at 2.45 pm

how bad is that

25 mins calls max prob less

15 txts

no wap

no wifi

music via wired headphones for 2 hours

ive turned my backlight to 10 secs -- wifi strenght down to 4mw as i dont use it--power saving to 25 secs--keytones off--ringtone less then half--date and time not screensaver--

battery has had lots of charges

iam getting really wound up n80 was just as bad

people say you gotta expect this from a phone with as many features?? thats rubbish man maybe if i was using them for 2 hours solid or summin yeay BUT IAM NOT USING THEM i didnt take a pic or film i didnt watch a movie i didnt use gps wifi wap i dont even have screen on very bright

i used it like it was a nokia old black and white phone txts calls and a little music via wires not bluetooth

this is terrible really terrible

ive tryed a 1200mah battery prob a fake but that didnt wrk either arrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh how can nokia play with your emotions like this release a great spec phone you get it and are happy then 4-8 hours later your batterys died and all you can do is curse the device when a little while ago it was your pride and joy!!!!!!!!

my n73 can listen to music via wires for 8 hours and still have juice left thats with calls txtxs maybe some3g clips and tomtom etc

lol not the n95 take 2-3 batterys with you for the day if you wanna use it how bads that???

sort it out nokia pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeee

and sorry to disagree with some peeps but there is no way this batery is aceptable it just isnt

my n95 is going on ebay i think its a joke to the n series with battery like this i mean peeps are getting it as a free upgrade so its not to bad but if you paid 500 quid from ther nokia website are you saying you wouldnt be peed off?? 500 quid for a phone with a battetry thats dosent last all day what ever you try

i wouldnt one bit