stefan063 wrote:That cannot be achived in no way!!!
Because battery of 1200mah is not able to do such long days even If you dont touch the phone!!! Dont know why are you telling this people that you manage to achive 6 days of "normal" use and 30min of video!!! I Have secound i8510,I bought it because I wanted to see are there any differences betwen markets!!! NO,there are no differents in battery,software...Every anomaly that has my first one has the secound...WiFi always on,even if it is in options NEVER,very,very poor battery...I was recording for 5 min 2 days ago with my first i8510 and battery level from full charge went to 3bars...So! The thing about the battery you are telling is NOT,I repeat NOT POSSIBLE with Samsung I8510 or how many others call it INNOV8!!!
I may be alot of things but im not a liar.....😡
Like i said the last time i charged my Innov8 was overnight thurs, i took it off charge at around 11 o clock, i then travelled with the phone down to london, and left the charger at home as i knew it would last for the weekend. the 28 mins of video (320x480) was taken on sunday of my girlfriends cousins little lad playing with toys we took down for him (3 vids, 2 x 10mins, 1 x 8 mins). I also took a few pics down there too. Ive since played 20 mins of music sent around 30 text messages and had a few phone calls...
Phone is still on 2 bars....4 days 44 mins after charging.
Settings are default, wifi is on never, tilt is on, joystick is on, theme is default with custom picture (Watchmen). ive never touched Shozu though ive used Google maps alot. Oh and Auto Brightness is on and Power save mode is off. Wonder if i can get an extra day out of it with that turned on...
If you need more info then by all means ask.
Of course im just some guy on the internet....i could be saying anything.....:frown:
...I think a few of the replies on here lately have shown that infact I am correct when I say there is NOT a firmware problem with battery usage, and indeed most if not all "poor" battery life issues are being caused by running applications and processes on people's phones.
S60 is a complicated operating system, with many, many features which run in the background. As more than one person on here is able to get multi-day battery life from their phone when configured correctly (personally I can manage over 3 days) then it shows that either everyone else has faulty batteries (highly unlikely), or there are applications and / or processes running on your phones!
Before calling myself and other users liars, make sure you know what is and isn't happening on your phones!
One user's comment that "Shozu is built into the firmware, therefore it's a firmware problem" is simply incorrect. Shozu is neither built into the firmware, nor does it prove a problem with the firmware. Shozu is a 3rd party application, which is bundled pre-installed on the phone, and which is capable, once used, of auto-starting when the phone is turned on, and will make data connections on it's own. As it's meant to do! I use it from time to time on my phone, but I make damned sure I properly disable it afterwards, as otherwise my battery life drops to a few hours (due to constant data connections and GPS usage)
stuclark wrote:...I think a few of the replies on here lately have shown that infact I am correct when I say there is NOT a firmware problem with battery usage, and indeed most if not all "poor" battery life issues are being caused by running applications and processes on people's phones.S60 is a complicated operating system, with many, many features which run in the background. As more than one person on here is able to get multi-day battery life from their phone when configured correctly (personally I can manage over 3 days) then it shows that either everyone else has faulty batteries (highly unlikely), or there are applications and / or processes running on your phones!
Before calling myself and other users liars, make sure you know what is and isn't happening on your phones!
One user's comment that "Shozu is built into the firmware, therefore it's a firmware problem" is simply incorrect. Shozu is neither built into the firmware, nor does it prove a problem with the firmware. Shozu is a 3rd party application, which is bundled pre-installed on the phone, and which is capable, once used, of auto-starting when the phone is turned on, and will make data connections on it's own. As it's meant to do! I use it from time to time on my phone, but I make damned sure I properly disable it afterwards, as otherwise my battery life drops to a few hours (due to constant data connections and GPS usage)
Dear stuclark, let's avoid a technical discussion over whether or not google maps and shozu are or are not part of the firmware. Fact is you can't un-install or upgrade those apps, and we'll only get updates if Samsung includes updated versions in new firmware. So whether or not it's technically part of the firmware or not, the effect is the same - we need Samsung to fix it.
I'm still wondering if you have an educated guess about what application or process is running, that is depleting my and other ppl's batteries. I KNOW what is happening on my phone, as it is nothing different then on my N95 8Gb or N93. I also know because it is easily visible using the built-in or a third party task manager, what processes are running.
Nobody should call anybody a liar. But also, if claims are made about what causes this big problem (it is a big problem stuclark, as you know by your activities on the www) - they should be substantiated. You haven't offered any substantiation of your claim that it is some rogue process. And so far the only really substantiated thing is what Falco said - because he is the only one who has experience with his i8510 with a long-running and short-running battery. And of course the other stuff ppl tried, and those having no effect.
Give me a clean room test environment, with all your phones together, and we'll do some tests!
Without knowing what has been done to a particular phone; what has and hasn't been installed; what has and hasn't been configured etc. how am I meant to tell you exactly *what* is causing the problem you're seeing?
What we can say is that: My phone, configured well (as in I know what's running, even if it doesn't show up in the built-in or 3rd party task managers), lasts well over 2 days, AND I have it making data connections, on it's own, every 15 minutes! Other people have said that having reset their phone to the factory defaults and changed a couple of settings, have achieved the same thing.
As I've said before, I can MAKE my phone only last a few hours. I know how to do that. I also know how to make it last days by turning OFF the applications which are likely to cause the battery use to increase. I've said what some of these applications are (I can't be expected to guess every application people have installed on their phone). In essence (again):
Disable wireless scanning
Turn off GPS tagging
Ensure Shozu isn't running (quickest way to do it is to open Shozu and ensure NO login details are set, then make sure it's not set to auto-start)
Ensure Bluetooth is turned off
Set the screen backlight timeout to something sensible (I have 10 secs)
Set the powersave settings to ON
Ensure no email / other applications are set for timed downloads (includes GPS+)
...try that lot (and make sure of them), then tell us what's happening!
I tried those things, but to no avail. Well, except for setting powersaving options on the backlight. I could try it, but I always had brightness on max on all my phones and managed to get a couple of days of use, and I'm not planning on walking around with a dimly lit phone to conserve battery. Nor should it be neccesary, as it wasn't with my other s60v3 phones.
My phone is also configured well, like all my symbian phones always have been. If it's misconfigured, it's been like that from the factory.
I'll try the #7370# when I get a memory card so I can backup all my phone settings. Unfortunately the i8510 won't backup to the internal 8Gb =/ A bug I guess. I might use the supplied software, but the Symbian built-in backup always served me well, and eliminated the need for separate software.
I have had my phone for about 6 weeks now and like a lot of people have not had great battery life but was never sure was causing it. Well last night I was messing about with Fring and other 3rd party apps and the battery stayed constant at 4 bars. I then took a photo with the flash and it went down to 3 bars, tried taking another photo with the flash and it went down to 2 bars straight away.
Not very scientific I know but in my experience the camera uses up the most juice on the i8510, especially taking video footage, other 3rd party apps don�t help but are not the main culprits. This is a shame for a phone where the camera is one of, if not the main feature.
gmac00
Thought i may aswell give an update.
Phone is still on 2 bars so its been going for 6 days (taken of charge on fri morning at 11ish) after a full overnight charge. I got mixed up with my days yesterday, thought it was monday! Usage has been fairly low yesterday and today, i sent around 30 messages and received about 30.
Camera does use alot of juice, i always loose a bar when using it regardless.
If theres a way of proving this i'll gladly do it...
EDIT:- Just gone down to 1 bar since sending a couple of texts. Going to see if it'll last overnight. If it hits 11 'o' clock GMT tomorrow (thurs) then thats 7 days of low to moderate usage.....which is what i said i usually get.
Afyer playing with the i8510 for about 3/4 weeks my theory is as follows:
At first the battery life seems crap, once you get used to it and how it works you can EASILY make the battery last 2 or 3 days.
I use my phone all day at work for music and radio, (probably around 4/5 hours minus lunch and talking to colegaues) This doesn't seem to affect the battery much at all, Maybe one or two bars. I send probably 20 - 30 texts a day, use the camera. Make a couple of calls and maybe check emails on the way home.
The one thing in my experience that kills the battery is the GPS, I'm sad and sometimes use it on the train (to see how fast im going) or google maps walking down the street and this is the one thing that seems to have a noticable affect on battery life.
btw
my screen is on quite dim (i prefer it that way)
i have auto pivot off
it doesnt search for connections
power management is on
gps tagging is off
bluetooth is off
I have not installed any apps to see what is running in the background yet.
Buztafen wrote:Thought i may aswell give an update.Phone is still on 2 bars so its been going for 6 days (taken of charge on fri morning at 11ish) after a full overnight charge. I got mixed up with my days yesterday, thought it was monday! Usage has been fairly low yesterday and today, i sent around 30 messages and received about 30.
Camera does use alot of juice, i always loose a bar when using it regardless.
If theres a way of proving this i'll gladly do it...
EDIT:- Just gone down to 1 bar since sending a couple of texts. Going to see if it'll last overnight. If it hits 11 'o' clock GMT tomorrow (thurs) then thats 7 days of low to moderate usage.....which is what i said i usually get.
Those are truely amazing figures, although I wager I'd get somewhere near if I turned off *every* power eating function on my phone. As it is I can get 3 days out of it...
Is there a way of getting a list of whats running on my phone so i can post it? Can i post pics too?
Ive not turned any programs off since recieveing the phone. I made sure WIFI was set to never but thats it. Power saving is still off. I did notice a drop in battery life when i had a third party theme installed (went down to 4days ish).
...still annoyed about being accused of lying......
how do i close 3g/gprs , my battery seems to be bit crap lately,got garmin on it, would that drain battery and y, 3g is showin up on my phone now does that mean its active, got jbak taskman,are there any obvious things i can close down in processes ,threads and what is chunks, lol, when i checked jbak i`ve got 98 processes runnin
Are people using the "elegance noire" theme? I am.
Buztafen, don't worry about it, other ppl don't think you're lying of course!!
neild2, I read in a comment by Falco on Howard Forums that Garmin drains the battery after usage.
You can switch to GSM instead of 3G under settings -> phone -> network (might be slightly different names, I have a dutch menu).
edit: I'm not using the elegance noir theme, but an old Mango theme called First Snow. It looks really great, also thanks to the nice icons Samsung uses. The theme is still for sale for a couple of euro's in the Nokia store.
i bought a new battery for my i8510 - made zero difference. also uninstalled garmin - made zero difference.
my last and final test will be to format the phone and not install any apps and switch most of the suspects (e.g. wifi scanning, etc) off.
If the battery still drains, then we defo know that the firmware is the culprit.
The firmware theory is sound despite some people saying otherwise. I suspect certain firmwares are running more processes then other firmwares. You only have to look at the software bundled with different types of firmware. e.g. european model includes roadsync, fifa 08, route 66. Asian models excludes route 66, roadsync, etc. The same will probably apply to hidden processes.
I'll report back once ive figured out how to unbrick my new HP laptop - im not having much luck with technology at the mo!
I think people who are experiencing bad batteries should post the apps installed on their phone? I'll try to get a list for me.
Whats the easiest way of listing the process that are running on the phone? Is there a program thats already installed that can be used or is there a third party program?
Cheers.
JB Task man is a freeware and that will give you all sort of info including running processes.
The Garmin issue afflicted a great deal of people who after removing no longer have a battery issue. Including me. Since I removed Garmin and made sure all the possible settings are off, even using the default theme, the battery is lasting what it seems forever....
However, this is not an ideal situation to say the least. To have such a powerful phone and yet unable to do anything with it cause the battery...
To Jules_N93, i am Falco on HOFO....
Falco47 wrote:JB Task man is a freeware and that will give you all sort of info including running processes.The Garmin issue afflicted a great deal of people who after removing no longer have a battery issue. Including me. Since I removed Garmin and made sure all the possible settings are off, even using the default theme, the battery is lasting what it seems forever....
However, this is not an ideal situation to say the least. To have such a powerful phone and yet unable to do anything with it cause the battery...
To Jules_N93, i am Falco on HOFO....
Cheers for that, i'll give that program a go. Only just starting to scrape the tip of the iceberg with this phone. Never had a symbian mobile before.
what shud packet data be set as, does that affect the battery, dont really know much bout all this
neild2 wrote:what shud packet data be set as, does that affect the battery, dont really know much bout all this
Mines set to 'When needed' at the mo. Works fine.....not sure what it is though🙄
I've been looking at this and other forums with great interest after getting my i8510, in part to learn about it, but also to try and figure out the hugely disappointing battery life (no more than 15 hours).
I turned off all the usual suspects and was getting resigned to having to charge it every day, when I downloaded JBaktaskmanager and closed down the 'Screencapture' program that it listed, with no ill effects. This was on Sunday. I charged it Sunday night and was chuffed when the battery was still showing as full after work (about 5pm), next day it had only dropped 1 bar, when before it would be flat.
Seems like I've cracked it for my phone, it's still using the same charge (bar about 5 minutes of usb charging when transferring photos) and it's still on 3 bars.
I'm still keeping the superfluous stuff off, but the battery life is now pretty decent, should easily see 2-3 days with good use.
My firmware is:
Firmware: XXHH7
Custom: L08XEUHH8
Date: 20/08/08
As such, I don't think it's the firmware.
roscopervis wrote:I've been looking at this and other forums with great interest after getting my i8510, in part to learn about it, but also to try and figure out the hugely disappointing battery life (no more than 15 hours).I turned off all the usual suspects and was getting resigned to having to charge it every day, when I downloaded JBaktaskmanager and closed down the 'Screencapture' program that it listed, with no ill effects. This was on Sunday. I charged it Sunday night and was chuffed when the battery was still showing as full after work (about 5pm), next day it had only dropped 1 bar, when before it would be flat.
Seems like I've cracked it for my phone, it's still using the same charge (bar about 5 minutes of usb charging when transferring photos) and it's still on 3 bars.
I'm still keeping the superfluous stuff off, but the battery life is now pretty decent, should easily see 2-3 days with good use.
My firmware is:
Firmware: XXHH7
Custom: L08XEUHH8
Date: 20/08/08
As such, I don't think it's the firmware.
Interesting find....does anybody know what the screen capture function actually does?
I'm curious too. All I know is it's not running on a N93....
Well given its name it'd be safe to assume it runs on the background waiting for a screen capture command to be issued/triggered...
In my case, and I have the same HH7 firmware, it was not causing excessive drainage.. After endless tests, only Garmin was the cause of the problem and it is not a Garmin problem either as I have the same set up on my N79 and there are no problems with its consumption.
vudluxi wrote:Also removed GarminXT from mine after poor battery life (24 hours as mentioned elsewhere) and only 1 bar gone overnight (3 bars before), so has anyone else with problems installed Garmin?
Still to test but before Garmin installed 94 processes running and 95 after installation so will have to find which one, maybe that's the one on my phone causing the problems.
Though having said that the phones info does say 270 hours (11 days) standby, so where does this number come from?
I assume by standby they mean switched on but not used, can't see that somehow as the best reported is about 7 days (average seems 4 days from other reports).
Thought I'd solved it as the battery lasted 3 days but overnight it lost half its charge from being fully charged.
Was gonna try the #7370# but every time I try to backup the phone memory to the memory card I get an error 'Error occurred. Operation cancelled'.
Any suggestions?
Otherwise back to square one.
Thinking of getting rid of phone and going back to Nokia, at least you can get a 1600mah battery for the N96 now.
Screencapture is not the process that's causing the battery to drain quickly, as it is running on everyone's phones (unless manually stopped) and on mine I leave it running all the time, without any ill effect.
If you got 3 days out of the battery then that is GOOD! Remember the 8510 is a smartphone with many, many functions going on all the time. It's not the same beast as something like the Samsung U600, and can't be compared as such.
I'm also intrigued as to why everyone is blaming GarminXT so much, and indeed, how so many people have installed it on their phone. Garmin is a GPS application, therefore will make use of the GPS functions of the phone. These drain the battery, as they do on ANY phone! Why is Garmin needed anyway? Route66 (Samsung Navigator) is perfectly capable as a navigation tool, and seems to be quite sparing on the battery, considering it too is using the GPS functionality of the phone!
Following on the topic of the Screencapture process. I have tried numerous things over the last week to try to find out what is causing my battery to drain overnight. As I said before, I used to get a good run from my battery between charges.
Since yesterday, the only thing I have done is to stop the Screencapture app and now my battery is still showing full bars even with it being on overnight and I use it for my alarm in the morning. I have also sent a couple of texts this morning and played about 5 mins of a game and still no drop in battery.
Is this coincidence or could the Screencapture process really be the cause of my poor battery drop? Whatever way, I am sure happy again .
I8510 8GB
Software version: I8510XXHH7
Custom version: I8510L08XEUHH8
Indeed, you should not compare an U600 to an i8510, but you CAN compare it to the N95 8Gb, which is also a smartphone, runs the same OS, has the same capacity battery. If you get 3 days with either, it's good. If you get a day or less, it's bad. And that's what it's about here stuclark, ppl getting a day or less.
Turned off screensaver halfway through a battery yesterday, and at least it lasted more then 24hrs. Will give it a full charge todat and see what happens.
Maybe you should try to stuclark, see what happens. Can't hurt.
I use to get 3 or 4 days out of my phone before needing to recharge, and i have been using Garmin installed since the update come out and made it possible and battery life was ok, it only just started to to run flat within last couple of days, ive even taken phone to get updates from carphonewarehouse although it did come back with same FIREWARE
I8510XXHH7 CUSTOM I8510L08XEUHH8, plus they told be i needed new screws, tbh i think they did jack shit, could someone post the server setting so that i can try and update with the phone, my network is O2 if that helps
cheers
Mick
Well, the batteries on its last legs and battery low message has popped up....but that means its lasted 7 days'ish from one full charge. Im going to install that JB Task man programme when i get home and i'll list the processes it shows running for reference.