stuclark wrote:Screencapture is not the process that's causing the battery to drain quickly, as it is running on everyone's phones (unless manually stopped) and on mine I leave it running all the time, without any ill effect.If you got 3 days out of the battery then that is GOOD! Remember the 8510 is a smartphone with many, many functions going on all the time. It's not the same beast as something like the Samsung U600, and can't be compared as such.
I'm also intrigued as to why everyone is blaming GarminXT so much, and indeed, how so many people have installed it on their phone. Garmin is a GPS application, therefore will make use of the GPS functions of the phone. These drain the battery, as they do on ANY phone! Why is Garmin needed anyway? Route66 (Samsung Navigator) is perfectly capable as a navigation tool, and seems to be quite sparing on the battery, considering it too is using the GPS functionality of the phone!
Most people use Garmin because is hacked and free whereas there is no hack for Route66 therefore you must buy the maps.
I personally prefer Route66. Its maps are more detailed and the navigation is just as good as Garmin.
It was found that Garmin left a runaway process even after closing the App.
Falco47 wrote:Most people use Garmin because is hacked and free whereas there is no hack for Route66 therefore you must buy the maps.I personally prefer Route66. Its maps are more detailed and the navigation is just as good as Garmin.
It was found that Garmin left a runaway process even after closing the App.
OK - I'm not going to make a big thing of this, as people will just try to needlessly flame me; but... as running hacked (and therefore most likely illegal) software is not something which is condoned on these forums, and not something which any phone manufacturer will condone, can we PLEASE get Garmin out of the equation.
All those with Garmin installed who are having issues - uninstall it and see if that helps. As Falco47 says, Garmin leaves processes running when it's been shut down - it's these sort of things which cause batteries to drain excessivly quickly. And if the copy of Garmin is illegal, Garmin themselves won't support you, and neither will anyone else to be honest.
Jules_N93 wrote:Turned off screensaver halfway through a battery yesterday, and at least it lasted more then 24hrs. Will give it a full charge todat and see what happens.Maybe you should try to stuclark, see what happens. Can't hurt.
I get well over a day anyway, so it's less likely I'll see the difference.
My main "routine" is to charge the phone whenever I can. I do this with all my phones as it tends to keep the batteries topped up. However, I know from experience that my 8510 can last 3 days if I can't get to charge it, and I know that my N95-1, when configured the same way, would strugle to do 2 days. (sometimes would be dead within 1 day, if traveling a lot)
To be completely honest, I have no idea why the screencapture process is in the phone's memory, as I can't find an application which references it (other than a Samsung development app. but that's not present of the production firmwares), so I don't think it should be there. Certainly killing it makes no difference to the phone's functions. However, as it's not doing anything it seems very very unlikely that it can be making such a massive difference to battery life. A fact bourne out by the amount of life I get out of my phone even with Scrensaver left running.
Well, that is me on nearly 24 hours after killing the Screencapture process and low usage today and my phone still has not even dropped one bar. Full charge showing.
Compared to what I have been getting in the last week or so that is totally amazing. I would recharge the batter every day during work and the battery would flatten overnight.
Whether the Screepcapture process can become corrupt or something else I do not know but killing that has definitely seemed to fix my battery problem.
So far so good.
PS. I did not try Garmin as I have bought the maps for, and am very happy with route 66.
right chaps - i sense we are very close to sorting the battery issue.
Can I ask everyone to name the processes that are not essential and could be terminated on start-up and help the battery? So far I believe the following should be terminated:
- screensaver
- screencapture
- garmin (only once started)?
- shozu
- advanced device locks
- smart settings.
Maybe anymore non-essential apps that run in the background or rouge processes?
Would be great to get this sort of feedback as i think we all agree that its the running processes that affect the battery.
Glad to see the Screencapture thing working for people.
rp1001, I only stopped that function from JBaktaskmanager, everything else is fairly standard. I've turned on a couple of things now to see what effect that has (3G, autopivot) but the battery is still doing well. Also used about 30 mins of sat nav earlier as well and the battery is still one bar from full, whereas before, by now, it would be down to about 3 bars or probably less with sat nav use.
Stuclarke, in theory screencapture probably shouldn't cause this, but it is without question the cause of my poor battery. I don't have Garmin installed so that doesn't even come into the equation. And I have screensaver running, just not screencapture.
roscopervis wrote:Glad to see the Screencapture thing working for people. rp1001, I only stopped that function from JBaktaskmanager, everything else is fairly standard. I've turned on a couple of things now to see what effect that has (3G, autopivot) but the battery is still doing well. Also used about 30 mins of sat nav earlier as well and the battery is still one bar from full, whereas before, by now, it would be down to about 3 bars or probably less with sat nav use.
Stuclarke, in theory screencapture probably shouldn't cause this, but it is without question the cause of my poor battery. I don't have Garmin installed so that doesn't even come into the equation. And I have screensaver running, just not screencapture.
I'd hoped removing the screencapture process would do the trick - it only made a minor difference. im down to one bar after 13 hours with low to moderate use. damn!
If you are down to 1 bar after 13 hours then you still have a problem with something on the background chewing up the battery.
Have you tried to do a master reset? And right after kill the screen capture process and see what happens.
After I uninstalled Garmin, I hard reset the phone and killed the Screen capture process... The phone has been lasting me a long time. I also re-activated the optical joystick, installed a third party theme, and turned the auto pivot back on... Still going strong.
Falco47 wrote:If you are down to 1 bar after 13 hours then you still have a problem with something on the background chewing up the battery.Have you tried to do a master reset? And right after kill the screen capture process and see what happens.
After I uninstalled Garmin, I hard reset the phone and killed the Screen capture process... The phone has been lasting me a long time. I also re-activated the optical joystick, installed a third party theme, and turned the auto pivot back on... Still going strong.
just got the dreaded "no battery" sound from the phone.....ill try what you suggest...its my final hope i guess. i've also installed a crap load of applications...probably around 30 odd, so no wonder my battery is taking a beating....but having said that, my n95 8gb had the same apps and the battery was not as bad as this..
Can't compare it to a nokia... Unfortunately....
I have my N79 and N95 8GB loaded with apps and even the Garmin installed with no problems at all...
The firmware on the Innov8 is not polished as much as the Nokia's..
The number of installed applications doesn't matter at all, it's whether those applications are running in the background and making data connections / using Wifi / using GPS / keeping the phone's backlight on that uses up battery power.
And as said by someone else - you should be able to go 13 hours without loosing even 1 bar from the battery meter, not being down to 1 bar!
Kudos to roscopervis!
Stopping the screencapture process has definitely sorted out my phone. I charged it on Wednedsay evening and it has had low usage since then with only a few calls, some texts, gaming time and also used as my alarm - snoozing maybe 3 times each day and still my battery has not lost 1 bar.
This is great, its like having a new phone again.
Thanks again. Now, anyone know how to stop that process from starting automatically if I have to reboot my phone?
hmmm something strange happened last night. I charged my phone before I went to bed, It then showed as fully charged so I unplugged it. I went to bed about 11pm, (still full) got up at 7.30 and it had lost 3 bars! wtf!
Langdale - that is pretty much what was happening with my phone. It just seemed to happen out of the blue for no reason. Killing the Screencapture app certainly fixed my problem.
Now I worry the other way, my battery is lasting so well that I worry there is an error with the battery indicator! (kidding of course, its great now).
yeah because normally it doesn't lose a single bar overnight, very strange.
right, i hard reset my phone and have only installed the essential apps - jbaktaskman and roadsync...roadsync is syncing every 15 minutes. my phone was on from 8.30am this morning - not a single bar lost. i know its only 2 to 3 hours, but i would have lost one bar by now in the phones previous state.
BTW i have set screencapture and screensaver to auto kill. so far so good.
Usil, you can set rules for processes with JB Taskman, so you can have it killed after reboot automatically =). Menu -> tools -> processes -> menu -> option 4.
Btw, I finally got the chance to give the phone a full charge last night. Battery is still on 100%, even after screwing around a bit with Quake III (which runs like shit because of it not being able to use the 'FPU'😉. Normally it would've been down already, so it seems like killing screencapture is working for me to. But I'll have to wait until tonight to be certain.
its now 2.45pm - phone has been on since 8.30am - one bar down, with roadsync syncing every 15 min. have installed couple of apps and fiddled around with the phone now and again. also made a call for 10 secs - does the battery status sound reasonable?
Hi
Right i have installed JB Taskman and checked processes and have 94 programs running i guess? Is there any chance someone could make a list of those that can be closed and have rules made up to kill after sent to back, cause last thing i want to do is close something i should'nt of done
cheers
Mick
I didn't look at those, just the apps in the first screen. I have 98 processes.
I have:
screensaver
Standby
menu
sysap
autolock
akncapserver
aknnfysrv
*SVKVVolumePopup*
SVKPopup
That's it.
its now 4.50, still one bar less after sending couple of sms + watching 5 min of video. so far so good!
I just lost my first bar after almost 48hrs switched on with low(ish) usuage.
If it keeps on like this and I keep my usage to roughly the same it will last me a week easy! :icon14: 😊
Jules_N93 wrote:Usil, you can set rules for processes with JB Taskman, so you can have it killed after reboot automatically =). Menu -> tools -> processes -> menu -> option 4.Btw, I finally got the chance to give the phone a full charge last night. Battery is still on 100%, even after screwing around a bit with Quake III (which runs like shit because of it not being able to use the 'FPU'😉. Normally it would've been down already, so it seems like killing screencapture is working for me to. But I'll have to wait until tonight to be certain.
Done this but it still shows in the 'processes' list. Selected all 4 options.
Any ideas?
vudluxi wrote:Done this but it still shows in the 'processes' list. Selected all 4 options.
Any ideas?
The first option is "autostart". Wouldn't use that. I only use "stop after startup" and "stop after cleaning memory". The last one is not really neccessary.
I switched my phone on Friday 8.30am after a night charge - its now Saturday 4.30pm and i have left it on throughout the night - i have two bars left now.
Roadsync has been auto syncing every 15 min for 8ish hours on friday and every one on saturday. usage has been low to moderate.
THIS IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT!
what i did was:
- hard reset my phone
- install the essential apps - jbaktaskman, roadsync, i8510 memory patch, bbc iplayer, xplore.
- opened jbaktaskman, auto kill screencapture and screensaver.
- switch off auto wifi, bluetooth, dual gsm, switch packet data "when needed", switch off optical mouse, switch off video sharing.
try these steps - it worked for me when everything else failed - quite clear that a rouge app(s) is causing the battery drain, but not sure which one!
how do i hard reset my phone
Got a new battery from Samsung on Friday, so charged all Friday till Saturday morning and just checked the phone and it hasn't lost a bar (though I didn't use it at all on Saturday), before it would have lost at least 3 bars sometimes 5.
Having disabled screencapture and uninstalled Garmin (gone back to Route66 as I've paid for the maps) could it be a combination of things causing the battery problems?
I thinks that Stuclark could be right in saying its not the firmware but still would be nice to have a new one.
So fingers crossed my battery looks promising but only time will tell.
Battery @ 45% after 36 hours. Better then it ever was! It seems the screencapture-thing is working! However, I also discovered video-sharing was on under the settings for connections.... So I need to rule that out as a cause before giving the final verdict.
I still have screensaver running, the touchpad is on, a third-party theme installed, auto-rotation is off, BT and wifi off, Shozu disabled, brightness on max.
Well, since killing the Screencapture process, my phone has now been on and with low-moderate usage since its charge on Wednesday night. Thats 4 days on which is pretty much a new record for my phone!
Need to charge it again tonight but that's because I was using wifi a lot over the weekend.
Happy happy joy joy 😊
after following my procedures above, my battery lasted about 45 hours without switching off the phone - however, i left the muic app on in the background over night accidentally and roadsync has been running in the background constantly, syncing every 15 min on the first day and then every hour the next day....not bad i guess.
usage has been low to moderate - about 20 min of calls, send a few sms + emails, watch about 10 to 15 min video and listen to about 25 min music + 10 min or so fiddling around with settings and phone