scarcow wrote:That's a plain lie.From: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594
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The question isn't weather it has cellular radio or not, but if that radio is can be used for regular (non-VoIP) phone call, or if it's just for data.
I'm still not convinced one way or the other, but at this point I'm more inclined to think that you can not use it as a regular phone.
The presense of a cellular network doesnt mean voice is available, the point Brighthand post is making is that it's VoIP (so over EDGE, HSPDA etc). I think the previous tablet 810 or whatever, was just WiFI.
Of course I dont believe it for one second, but stranger things have happened.
hduty wrote:The question isn't weather it has cellular radio or not, but if that radio is can be used for regular (non-VoIP) phone call, or if it's just for data.I'm still not convinced one way or the other, but at this point I'm more inclined to think that you can not use it as a regular phone.
maemo.nokia.com/features/phone/
Yes, it's a phone as well. A big one though 8-)
@Tzer2
Celios, all devices from all manufacturers are at their worst at their release. It's inevitable that anything which is used by millions of people will have bugs that the testers didn't notice, simply because millions of people using something will always spot more problems than hundreds of workers testing something.
Ever hear of a small US computer company called Apple! But on the subject the sooner Nokia drop Symbian which has not evolved in years and use a platform like this the quicker the market share loss they are suffering stops. Of course until actual people not marketing people get a chance to use it then I reserve judgement but it looks good so far.
Unregistered wrote:The presense of a cellular network doesnt mean voice is available, the point Brighthand post is making is that it's VoIP (so over EDGE, HSPDA etc). I think the previous tablet 810 or whatever, was just WiFI.
A picture is worth 1000 words. From Eldar's review:
"Call type: Cellular"
Incredible design, spec and UI. I'm wondering why 2 days ago nobody has known anything about it and suddenly it's here. How robust is the sw already ? No 6 months launch time before announcement. Can we say that the predecessors helped to make the sw stable ?
Simply the perfect device for me. Well lets look at the details and how the Ecosystem will respond.
Also I'm wondering how much the Linux community can and will contribute apps for this device.
No it's clear why N97 has no better uP and RAM
Definitely the most exciting release from Nokia since the N95.
Looks slick (if a bit bulky), UI shots seem to be up there with what high-end users expect.
Like a few have mentioned already plus a few concerns of my own...
1. How many developers will be developing for this platform? Is it easy to develop for? Assuming that it is open source?
2. Why the reticance to use a capacitive screen? That 'Helsinki winter' arguement is really wearing thin now.
3. What place for S60 5th edition now, never mind Symbian^2, ^3 and ^4? After all, its been mentioned on AAS many times how Symbian is 'years ahead of the competition, ready for technologies such as LTE'... why not up to the job here?
4. I wonder how the N900 will fare in portrait mode? The emphasis seems to be predominantly on the landscape experience.
5. You have to feel sorry for anyone that's laid out their hard-earned on the N97 unless the N900 will be released as a beta-software glitch monster.
6. Was the demarcation 'Maemo is for computer devices with telephony functionality and Symbian is for phones with computer functionality' an official Nokia line for the introduction of Maemo, or just someone coming up with a strategy after the event?
Does anyone know if the touchscreen is the very hard bombproof one used on the previous tablets, or the soft a very very scratch-prone one used on the new touchscreen phones such as the 5800?
looks great.
i mightbe tempted for my october birthday..😃
what about document handling.
no word about this yet. is there any hope?
processor loooks small.
why not bp4l as battery?
I've just blogged about my thoughts on the N900, but suffice it to say, if T-Mobile UK picks this up (and if I can upgrade for a price which doesn't require a remortgage!), I may have finally found the device which means my N95 can retire to a less stressful career as a camcorder... :tongue:
Unregistered wrote:I'm wondering why 2 days ago nobody has known anything about it and suddenly it's here.
The N900 or 'Rover' or 'RX-51' has been a rumour for many months now, so it isn't really a surprise for many of us... MR even published a preview of the device a few days ago: http://mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml
Definitely the most exciting release from Nokia since the N95.
Personally, I'd say it's the only exciting release from Nokia since the E90...
Unregistered wrote:Man, would i be pissed if i had bought an N97 lol
I did buy an N97. And I am pissed 😡
Nokia we all love you again! lol
I am so glad you guys will do allaboutmaemo as well!
With a 1320 mAh capacity battery one would need to charge this unit twice a day.
i guess at&t customers are out of luck on this one.... Oh well, i was lookin at other phones anyways
Jon Pritchard:
Is the browser actually Fennec or is it just Fennec based?
If this is still around when my contract renewal comes up (July '10) then I'm getting this no doubt, if there's not another revision on the way already.
This is exactly what I've been hankering for, it's size allows it to be a mobile but it's relative size in comparison to mobiles means it can be a computing platform, with all the Linux based goodness.
Good job, bit of an odd choice for the market segment though. I hope it's widely available on contract.
And here I was thinking nothing could pull me away from the E72, I know that's like comparing a sheet of paper with a copy of "War and Peace", but still :tongue:
Even if it is rather big, I'm still very tempted to buy a N900, though the only problem would be the third party applications (very few compared to S60, Windows Mobile, iPhone, etc), then again it looks to have almost all of the applications I use most of the time (Web browser, chat, video, music, GPS navigation, Twitter) so it might not be such a big deal.
Good thing I've been saving up because it looks to be an expensive end of the year 😃
BTW, there's a small mistake in the story, you say the screen is WVGA (which it is), but the resolution is 800x480, not 800x600.
I'll keep my comment shorter next time. 🙄
Have all you people out there raving over this machine actually tried the 770, 800 or 810? I have. I had a 770 followed by an 800 and raved over them telling everyone how wonderful they were.
Then I bought an E71. I haven't touched my 800 since. Why? One word - Maemo. It's for geeks only. A lot of hard work to get a poor replication of a program that can be downloaded with little effort on the E71.
So all you geeks who love playing with your phone / internet tablet for hours will think it is wonderful it but anyone that actually wants a useful tool . . .
At a slight tangent, it would be interesting to see how it lined up against the i8910 in real world usage.
Seriously for me, hardware specs do not matter any more. I have owned the best of Nokias and am thru with the hardware excellence.
Don't get me wrong, I don't know how many phones are there in the market who can top this spec wise but for me the determining factor would be it's sync with the eco system.
The softwares woven around it and the entire experience that it provides and as I see, since maemo for phones is new, it would take some time to build apps for this.
Till then, I will stand on the shore and watch the waves playing with not so significant Blackberry Curve 8900 till I get convinced it's the right time to take the plunge back again in the ocean of Nokia.
Most of everything looks good on this baby.... however, my main concern would also be the availability of 3rd party apps. For instance, GPS navigation. I don't use Maps because the turn-by-turn voice navigatiojn has to be subscribed to. I am now using Garmin Mobile XT on my N97 which is a one-off purchase.
Further, what about office applications? What is available out there for Maemo?
The Nokia N900 will have an S60 emulator, meaning it will be backwards compatible with current s60 applications. There's some talk about this over at maemo talk.
Another thing that bugs me is people's assumptions that this OS will be riddled with bugs. I tend to disagree with this since Maemo 5 has been in development for 3 years already and has had several beta releases so far; meaning if you have a nokia n810 you can load a beta release of Maemo 5 and see how it runs, although the n810 has significantly slower hardware compared to the n900. From my tests it seems to be bugless for the exception of a couple of rare mispellings.
UKJeeper wrote:
Take for instance Maemo Mapper. It's the closest thing to a 'sat nav' application that Maemo has (unless, as i said, someones been busy recently). However its a colossal amount of work to get it to work. You, the user, have to find, download and install the correct raster maps. Manually create, download and then install any routes you might be using (god forbid you wish to change your route 1/2 way up to Keswick...). And generally put WAY more time into getting it work than the avarage or even power user would want to spend.
Did you ever actually use the N810. It comes with Wayfinder built in. That is a perfectly fine "sat nav" application!
Maemo Mapper is nothing of the sort. It is an excellent program and I use it all the time since Nokia release the Finnish topological maps. You don't need to do any "finding or downloading" the maps, the application does it all entirely automatically if you have a data connection. It is great for tracking your path, but I wouldn't ever use it for navigation.
Brighthand insists on that it can NOT do voice calls (non-VoIP).
I think we need a definite answer on this one, I know Litchfield said it is a phone as well but at this point we need a source from Nokia confirming it.
Unregistered wrote:Did you ever actually use the N810. It comes with Wayfinder built in. That is a perfectly fine "sat nav" application!
Did you actually read this thread? I also posted that i had forgotten Wayfinder as an option.
Unregistered wrote:Maemo Mapper is nothing of the sort. It is an excellent program and I use it all the time since Nokia release the Finnish topological maps. You don't need to do any "finding or downloading" the maps, the application does it all entirely automatically if you have a data connection. It is great for tracking your path, but I wouldn't ever use it for navigation.
Yes, it can download SOME of the listed maps automatically, assuming you have a data connection. When you are driving around (when you actually NEED a satnav) your data connection is your 3g phone (via blutooth). My 3g phone had several completed satnav options already installed. Why would i use my 3g data connection on my satnav phone to download maps to a poor relation of a satnav solution?
I used to use Maemo mapper when out walking (again, via the 3g/bluetooth on my E90, killing the batteries on both devices), using the satellite imagery option. But the images weren't that great as Google satelitte maps wouldn't ever load and i'd have to use one of the other, lesser maps. Then i realised "why am i using a device that can't display the maps that i need when i can have topo (viewranger) and google earth on one device already?"
"but I wouldn't ever use it for navigation"
There you go, thanks for killing your own argument. Maemo Mapper is a satellite navigation application that you wouldn't use for navigation, either on or off the road.
hduty wrote:Brighthand insists on that it can NOT do voice calls (non-VoIP).I think we need a definite answer on this one, I know Litchfield said it is a phone as well but at this point we need a source from Nokia confirming it.
This is getting ridicilous. In Germany, where you can already preorder the N900 (http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534§ion_id=912&culture=de-DE) - shipment expected for 1. October for 599� btw - it states more plainly than brighthand can ever refuse:
"Es ist ein Mobiltelefon. Und ein Computer."
-> "It is a mobile phone. And a computer."
What more proof do you want?
Unregistered wrote:Does anyone know if the touchscreen is the very hard bombproof one used on the previous tablets, or the soft a very very scratch-prone one used on the new touchscreen phones such as the 5800?
Why do you say that? My 5800 lives in my pocket with keys and coins and isn't showing any scratching. It's incredibly scratch resistant and as a bonus also impact resistant which the capacitive ones aren't.
morpheus2702 wrote:2. Why the reticance to use a capacitive screen? That 'Helsinki winter' arguement is really wearing thin now.
Weating thin? Why? Would you insist people have to remove gloves in sub-zero weather because you are bored of hearing about it? Incredible selfishness. It's a valid point and remains so regardless of how many times you hear about it.
Advantages of resistive:
Handwriting input + drawing.
Durability.
Versatility (you are not limited to fingertip touches (and phallus touches in the case of iPhone owners) but have the option of stylus (for above mentioned handwriting) and gloved touch use.
Basically, the capacitive screens are limiting. Nice looking but not very good.