Unregistered wrote:I doubt Nokia made a mistake by putting the N900 on T-Mobile AWS and N97 on AT&T 3G. Unless and until this gets onto anything other than one of the smallest US carriers anyway.
No offense but US is one of Nokia's smallest markets so doesn't really effect them on a global scale. Nokia's main markets have always been outside the US such as Europe, China and Inida.
I'm not surprised they have fallen out with AT&T. They are greedy [put your favourite swearword here]. Any phone Nokia try to introduce through AT&T they cripple the software and features to the state where It's unrecognisable. Can you beleive they have the audacity to remove wifi from your phone...
AT&T sucks up to Apple offering great subsides e.g. the iPhone 3GS 16GB is $700 unsubsidised but you pay $199 but when it comes to Nokia they're far from generous.
Why should Nokia even bother to them?
Well I was waiting for the E72 but I think the N900 is now the next on my list.
The only downside is the 18mm width but I will put up with that to have the keyboard which I think is essential to a device like this ((or at least my use of it!).
For the first time it sounds like (I hope) we are going to have a relatively unrestricted full OS on a phone so it will be interesting to see what is developed for it.
I'm not sure what this means for Symbian. I suspect It will become the equivalent of what Series 40 phones are today which may not be a good sign for the future.
Unregistered wrote:For those of you who don't know, here are a few tidbits that make this phone awesome.
- You can load any variant of ARM linux, meaning you can load Ubuntu or Android if you want, there's are versions that run on the Nokia N810.
- The N900 will have an s60 emulator so it will be somewhat backwards compatible with s60 apps
- I saw this quite often asked, but yea, the N900 has an FM Receiver and Transmitter, so you can listen to FM radio and transmit music to your car stereo
- Did I mention that it's fully open linux? No HelloOX, no hacking, you have the full operating system at your disposal. It comes with a terminal with root capabilities.
- The N900 will be upgradable to the next version of Maemo, Maemo 6, as every internet tablet has had a guaranteed support for at least 2 future OS's.
- N900 has a PowerVR SGX, Opengl ES 2.0, do i have to say more?
- N900 will support usb HOST!, just like the n810, meaning you can plug in usb drives, hard drives, usb mice, etc. Any usb peripheral will work!
- The N900 is truly powerful, if you have seen the demo video you'll see during the application switcher that programs are updated IN REAL TIME while your switching applications! Video keeps on playing and you can see it WHILE you're alt tabbing, like in windows vista/7
About the s60 emulator - where did you hear that? I've been scouring the net for a while and interestingly enough, your post is one of the first to come up when I put "N900 s60 emulator" into Google.
morpheus2702 wrote:Definitely the most exciting release from Nokia since the N95.2. Why the reticance to use a capacitive screen? That 'Helsinki winter' arguement is really wearing thin now.
@morpheus2702 (and the other touchscreen focused posts
While I do not understand completely why Nokia do not use it on one or two phones simply as a stop gap measure and quiet the rather vocal "idiot savant tech writing journalist/ analyst crowd" (digression: honestly it is amazing how some "experts" do not understand that strategy sometimes means making decisions that look ahead more than 2-3 quarters) I think it is a strategic call based on one piece of information:
My understanding is that you cannot use piezoelectrics effectively with a capacitive screen.
I will let you draw the obvious conclusions... 😎
Lark
I have some potential concerns over the choice of battery pack for the N900. The BL-5J used in the 5800 gives the 5800 2 solid days of use, but with a much slower processor and smaller screen. Unless Nokia have some new power-management wizardry I see this as a device that would need recharging at the end of every workday.
fiish wrote:I have some potential concerns over the choice of battery pack for the N900. The BL-5J used in the 5800 gives the 5800 2 solid days of use, but with a much slower processor and smaller screen. Unless Nokia have some new power-management wizardry I see this as a device that would need recharging at the end of every workday.
Well yes of course. Only to be expected as this is pitched as an Internet tablet, not a mobile phone.
It's battery life will be short compared to phones but much longer than little netbooks and laptops.
A 5800 is a different kind of device altogether.
Apologies if I've missed it but I haven't seen a link to the general Maemo website in this thread. It has lots of info about the OS and software available for the current devices. So here it is maemo.org
It lead me to the following link software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5. Which confirms the device is truly open for you to do what you like with.
This is undoubtedly the most interesting announcement from Nokia since N95. Anyway, the Forum Nokia Device Details page show the availability to be in Europe, Middle East and N.America. No Asia-Pacific? WTF? That's one of the biggest markets of Nokia (if not the biggest).
Regarding availability of 3rd party apps and games, I think we have to wait till one or two more Maemo 5 devices come up in the market for proper usable ones. Only then developers will be bothered to develop for this platform. Can anyone comment on the possibility and ease of porting apps and games from iPhone (which is also based on Linux and has touchscreen as the input device)?
Someone commented that we can install ARM Linux distributions like Ubuntu. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm not too bothered by it's size - yes, it's a big bugger but it's comparable to the i8910, Touch HD and iPhone so it's not overly big.
Anyway, I have an unlocked 5800 if I want to go light - just pop the SIM and off we go.
Simples!
I hope symbian is died (n95-2 2007 was the last great symbian device)
that's all
maemo -could be- the future...
...but...
Needs to be supported for the developers
or bye bye as symbian..
Imho off course
hduty wrote:Brighthand insists on that it can NOT do voice calls (non-VoIP).I think we need a definite answer on this one, I know Litchfield said it is a phone as well but at this point we need a source from Nokia confirming it.
They were told this by a Nokia employee who did not explain it clearly and said it's Voip only and more data-centric device. The Nokia employee later explain that it has indeed a phone. Just a miss understanding. Not really their fault
Mr Mark wrote:I'm not too bothered by it's size - yes, it's a big bugger but it's comparable to the i8910, Touch HD and iPhone so it's not overly big.
The iPhone is huge, and the size is the reason I don't have one (plus the poor image and stigma)
The N900 is almost twice the thickness of the iPhone. Ridiculous N80 proportions.
I have been waiting in vain for an iPhone nano but none forthcoming. Phone bloat is bad news, I will not be buying a N900 to carry about, which means I might as well get a larger screen device that costs less. Like a netbook.... or a laptop.
Unregistered wrote:That's what girlfriends (wives) are for...trickle down!!! (appologies to techno chicks- that is what BF's are for...)
hehehehehehhehhehehehhehehehehehehehhe
Glad i didnt buy N97!!! This is a true "refresh" since N95!!:icon14:
Im a Linux user and developer , i see this approach from Nokia with good eyes !!:icon14::icon14::icon14:
lark wrote:My understanding is that you cannot use piezoelectrics effectively with a capacitive screen.
I will let you draw the obvious conclusions... 😎
Lark
I understand that a hard drive won't work with a capacitive screen but what features would otherwise be limited - my knowledge of 'piezoelectrics' begins and ends with types of capacitors as taught in GCSE electronics. 😊
There is no link between the type of screen technology used and any othert part of the phone. ie. a capacitive screen does not mean that you can't use a hard-drive or that you must use flash memory, there is simply no interdependence.
And I'm not quite sure what was meant by piezoelectric. If this means the haptic feedback (ie. the buzz you get when you tap an on-screen key), I would imagine that there is again no dependence, as the feedback mechanism is not part of the screen, but is located somewhere else inside the phone.
Many seem to have the preconception that the phone is going to be too big. The N900 is 18mm slim compared to the N95 & N95 8GB is 20 and 21mm respectively. The phone won't bulge out of your pocket as much as your N95!
I still have the 'old' N95 8GB and was looking for a replacement which I thought I found in the E72, but know Nokia launch this device! looks far better then the N97 IMHO.
Is it incomparrable, the E72 and the N900? I mean I will use the device mainly for texting and emailing (and of course calling) because before I thought the internet browsers were very poor. The N900 looks very much like a normal PC or laptop. Any tips/advice?
Unregistered wrote:Many seem to have the preconception that the phone is going to be too big. The N900 is 18mm slim compared to the N95 & N95 8GB is 20 and 21mm respectively. The phone won't bulge out of your pocket as much as your N95!
The N95 always was a bit too chunky, and was a 2007 phone. Phones in general have got much slimmer since.
The iPhone is considered (in europe at least) a large and bulky device that is a bit too big to be completely comfortable and it's only 11mm thick.
And the N95 was shorter and narrower.
Unregistered wrote:The N95 always was a bit too chunky, and was a 2007 phone. Phones in general have got much slimmer since.The iPhone is considered (in europe at least) a large and bulky device that is a bit too big to be completely comfortable and it's only 11mm thick.
And the N95 was shorter and narrower.
Well you can't defy the laws of physics. A 3.5" screen with it's frame/bezel will require quite a large footprint. You could go with a smaller screen but then that's a big downer for many.
Most phones with a keyboard is fairly thick. Touch Pro 2, Nokia N97 etc. E-series may have thinner phones but then that comes at a premium and there is hardly any travel/feedback.
Well at least the phone is not as wide or tall as the iPhone.
Lets also not forgot how much goodies is packed into this device. I think the size is a fair compromise.
Tzer2 wrote:Celios, all devices from all manufacturers are at their worst at their release. It's inevitable that anything which is used by millions of people will have bugs that the testers didn't notice...
How do you believe Nokia is going to handle the camera lens scratching design fault in N97?
Device recall has not been announced yet, and that probably won't happen later too, even though Nokia admited this problem to a Finnish newspaper this weekend.
This problem can not be fixed with a software update. This problem is all over news, except for Symbian fan sites of course.
ebo wrote:How do you believe Nokia is going to handle the camera lens scratching design fault in N97? Device recall has not been announced yet, and that probably won't happen later too, even though Nokia admited this problem to a Finnish newspaper this weekend.
This problem can not be fixed with a software update. This problem is all over news, except for Symbian fan sites of course.
Wrong thread dude. Come on man, get a clue...
This shows what nokia is capable of when they get their acts together.(N97 is just a victim of the transition period). N900 is just a demo. It's obvious that the next maemo devices will be even awesomer....the UI already looks way ahead of any other platform......and i'm sure it will keep getting better.....
Finally.....after a long time I can say "Good job Nokia".......
PS. I NEVER WRITE THIS TYPE OF FANBOYISH THINGS......but i was losing faith on nokia....that's why i'm too excited.....
oh...and something to add on the wishlist.....multitouch in the next N9xx.
I hope there's more surprises from this phone. Like multi-touch!
Unregistered wrote:I hope there's more surprises from this phone. Like multi-touch!
I think multi-touch is a step backwards. It's clever and gimmicky and appeals to the geeks and gadget suckers sure, but it requires two hands to do something that can be done on Nokia phones with one handed operation. So when you are out (mobile) carrying bags in one hand there is no need to stop and put stuff down to zoom your map.
Sure, include multi-touch for people who want to play, but keep the one handed operation in please.
Multi-touch is not geeky and gimmicky, it enables you to do all sorts of things with a touch screen that would not be possible otherwise; ie. pinch to zoom in a photo or webpage, use all sorts of gestures when playing games etc.
Just because a device supports multi-touch does not mean that it inevitably becomes harder to use, as it's clear that most apps won't support/require multi-touch in the first place (why would you need or use multi-touch when dialling a phone number?)...
Unregistered wrote:Multi-touch is not geeky and gimmicky, it enables you to do all sorts of things with a touch screen that would not be possible otherwise; ie. pinch to zoom in a photo or webpage, use all sorts of gestures when playing games etc.
That doesn't make any sense. OK, if you don't have multitouch you can't pinch to zoom. BUT WHY do you need to pinch to zoom? You can just touch the screen with your thumb and zoom......
It's incorrect to say you can't zoom without multi-touch, you can. Multi-touch doesn't give any more useful zoom functionality. People are blinded by the gimmicks.
If you are carrying your phone and using your maps to navigate, you need to hold the thing in one hand so you can use your finger and thumb with the other hand. That's two hands. No imagine you are outside walking in crowds carrying bags on one hand? You stop and put the bags down so you can use two hands.
With another interface design you just touch the screen with your thumb and it zooms in..... touch it again and it zooms out.
Multi-touch is not much more than a toy to play with. Everything it does can be done better. It's geeky and gimmicky and fortunately smart people are starting to wake up and notice that the emperors new clothes don't exist.
Unregistered wrote: it's clear that most apps won't support/require multi-touch in the first place (why would you need or use multi-touch when dialling a phone number?)...
LOL! You killed your own argument. Typical gimmick lover.
Unregistered wrote:Multi-touch is not geeky and gimmicky, it enables you to do all sorts of things with a touch screen that would not be possible otherwise; ie. pinch to zoom in a photo or webpage, use all sorts of gestures when playing games etc.Just because a device supports multi-touch does not mean that it inevitably becomes harder to use, as it's clear that most apps won't support/require multi-touch in the first place (why would you need or use multi-touch when dialling a phone number?)...
Read my words again:
"Sure, include multi-touch for people who want to play, but keep the one handed operation in please."
All I was suggesting was to not depend too much on multi-touch as it is restrictive and stops people from being able to do things one handed. It's OK for games and gimmicks, but practicality is important also. These little technological tricks are in there to impress people who don't think too much and sell the phone, but they aren't the be all and end all.
Unregistered wrote:Read my words again:"Sure, include multi-touch for people who want to play, but keep the one handed operation in please."
All I was suggesting was to not depend too much on multi-touch as it is restrictive and stops people from being able to do things one handed. It's OK for games and gimmicks, but practicality is important also. These little technological tricks are in there to impress people who don't think too much and sell the phone, but they aren't the be all and end all.
Yes, for a phone I prefer to be able to use it one-handed... but the N900 clearly isn't just a phone and I can't see the existing interface being usable one handed. Plus the physical width and thickness make one handed use harder - unless you have big hands!
I think this is another of the differentiations between the N97 and N900. The N900 would probably suit multi-touch for things like selecting text, and browser navigation shortcuts, but the S60 based devices should stay without it.
No MMS...so, is MMS "a think of the past"?