Hey guys!
Did a FW upgrade check on my N86 right now and v.20.115 is now available OTA! Finally! Woohoo!
Unable to check via NSU as i'm not at home but it's definetely available now/today/30th Sept OTA! The size is 7655kb.
If you have an N86 please tell me if you've got the FW update also. And if you do download OTA let us know the outcome!
Cheers.
DamianDinning wrote:Hi everyone.v20 FW will start to become available during next week (w/c October 5th) for main variants initially. If your variant is not available next week please bear with us as we try and get these out as quickly as possible.
Main improvements are to camera, namely:
Improved still image quality principally but also some improvements in video too.
Still image quality improvements are mainly colour reproduction and handling of fine details. You should notice a significant difference in image detail vs the original release.Face detection added
Red-eye removal added. Note this is image processing which removes the red-eye. You need to be in red-eye reduction flash mode for it to be operational. In other flash modes it is disabled as there is a small shot to shot impact due to the extra image processing.
New focus point indication - shows where in the scene the camera is focusing
Improved Close-up focus detection. As a result you will find in most situations you can focus much closer than before. The new focus point indication will also help in confirming which part of your subject is used for critical focus checking
Fine tuning of AMBR (Automatic Motion Blur Reduction)
Multiple maintenance updates to the following:
Browser
Music store
RealPlayer
Automatic VoIP re-registration
Maps update
Here and Now update
N-Gage
Nokia MessagingAny questions, I'll try and answer as many as I can.
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Thanks DD for the log. That's a hell of a lot of improvements and i'm definetely looking forward to seeing them on my N86. Especially the updated camera fixes! Myself though, i think i'll wait to download via NSU rather than OTA as i don't have a full baterry at the mo.
Damian can you tell me, are there any differences between downloading updated firmware via NSU or OTA?
Will they both download exactly the same file? Is one quicker than the other? Is one more thorough than the other? I've always wondered about this. Could you please explain the differences, if there are any?
I look forward to your reply.
v20 now available ota
DamianDinning wrote:Hi everyone.v20 FW will start to become available during next week (w/c October 5th) for main variants initially. If your variant is not available next week please bear with us as we try and get these out as quickly as possible.
Main improvements are to camera, namely:
Improved still image quality principally but also some improvements in video too.
Face detection added
Red-eye removal added. Note this is image processing which removes the red-eye. You need to be in red-eye reduction flash mode for it to be operational. Other flash modes it is disabled as there is a small shot to shot impact due to the extra image processing.
New focus point indication - shows where in the scene the camera is focusing
Improved Close-up focus. As a result you will find in most situations you can focus much closer than before. The new focus point indication will also help in confirming which part of your subject is used for critical focus checking
Multiple maintenance updates to the following:
Browser
Music store
RealPlayer
Automatic VoIP re-registration
Maps update
Here and Now update
N-Gage
Nokia MessagingAny questions, I'll try and answer as many as I can.
br
Hi Damian.
Thanks for letting us know about v20 and all its changes. I'm looking forward to seeing it on my phone, esp. all the camera fixes!
I do have one question and i've always wanted to know this but is there any difference between updating firmware via NSU and OTA?
Is one quicker than the other? Is one more thorough than the other? Is NSU (pc) more proper than OTA (phone) for example? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this.
Look forward to your reply.
Unregistered wrote:Hi Damian.Thanks for letting us know about v20 and all its changes. I'm looking forward to seeing it on my phone, esp. all the camera fixes!
I do have one question and i've always wanted to know this but is there any difference between updating firmware via NSU and OTA?
Is one quicker than the other? Is one more thorough than the other? Is NSU (pc) more proper than OTA (phone) for example? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this.
Look forward to your reply.
It depends on the extent of the update. If for example something as deep as memory mapping was changed then you'd probably need/be best off starting all over. In this case however you shouldn't need to start again.
My own *personal* experience is that if it's not a major hassle (for many I know it is) then I would (having checked NSU has your variant package first) reformat all memories then do a full factory reset. Then run NSU. After running NSU then go through adding back your content, settings etc. To be honest this is a habit of mine from time to time just so if there are problems I note in my own testing I can be sure I don't have any strange carried over settings etc etc. But you *shouldn't* need to go to this extreme.
atb
Just a quick note to say there is further discussion of the v20 update (which is now available) here: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum//forum/thread/88742/
And the story on the site here: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10536_The_Nokia_N86_wins_the_race_to.php
Altho there are many additions and improvements to the n86 FW, i can also say that there are many disapointments too. For instance when theme effects is turned on and auto rotate is turned on, the auto rotate function is extremely sluggish and the screen is messed up for many seconds until it sorts itself out. The web browser now has nasty bugs where sometimes images don't display and empty placeholders are shown instead. Also sometimes when you go to input text into a text box on a web page you can only input numbers which is highly irritating. Nokia has a habit of making bad firmware updates, why did they feel the need to ruin the previous 11.043. they could of just changed the camera software and left the rest alone.
Unregistered wrote:Altho there are many additions and improvements to the n86 FW, i can also say that there are many disapointments too. For instance when theme effects is turned on and auto rotate is turned on, the auto rotate function is extremely sluggish and the screen is messed up for many seconds until it sorts itself out. The web browser now has nasty bugs where sometimes images don't display and empty placeholders are shown instead. Also sometimes when you go to input text into a text box on a web page you can only input numbers which is highly irritating. Nokia has a habit of making bad firmware updates, why did they feel the need to ruin the previous 11.043. they could of just changed the camera software and left the rest alone.
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for the feedback. Noted.
Could you give a specific website/s to try which you find this happens? Does it make a difference if you clear the cache in the browser?
atb
I can confirm rotate error, I don't use theme effects, but it's really very slow now.
Hello all, just posted a reply in the other forum on the N86 firmware update and i've not exactly minced my words! Lol!
Yes mine is now also very slow since the firmware update. I really regret getting the N86 now, it's awful! Does anyone else have the loose slider? Mine is almost rattling and I am very gentle with my phones as well, so much for Nokia build quality and to put the icing on the cake my Nokia service centre can't get the parts to fix it for six to eight weeks!
I can't believe it, i've never known a product from a major manufacturer to be this bad!!
@ Damian specifically, to provide info about the Missing Captured Images issue.
Damian, further to my Tweet to you, I can now confirm the existence of this issue that seems to pop up for some people, directly for myself now, hence why I sent you a Tweet.
Best if I give the explanation to events however:
This Sunday/Monday, as you know, I was over The Lake District.
I shot some truly amazing photos, still using v11 (with no v20 on NSU yet), and the results were so good, that English Lakes Hotels, who are the largest chain of Four Stars I stay with over there, used one of my images in a re-tweet they posted for marketing purposes on Twitter.
So that's how good the N86 'can' be, even on v11.
But in between, on arrival at our hotel, Low Wood House, I was a little bit amazed, and equally chuffed to bits, to find we'd been randomly given the exact same room we last stayed in.
So I fired up the camera on my phone, and fired off two shots of the room, so as to send 'back home' to tell people this fact. I took two, because I had turned off the flash altogether, such is the camera's good medium light ability, and on the first, I moved the camera as I pressed the shutter, because my slider rails are getting a bit loose now, and it makes holding the phone steady a bit difficult (not a whinge, just a genuine technical consideration for you to bear in mind - maybe make your next Camera-phone Miracle a mono-block please - as real digital cameras are 'rigid', not on rattly sliders).
So I shot another, holding the phone in a different grasp and thus more steady the next time.
Then, after if had finished saying "Processing Image" (a quick period, nothing special or lengthy here rest assured), I then went into the Gallery/Photos application, in order to view them, and thus then chose "Captured".
And lo and behold, they simply weren't there.
Ones from earlier, on the journey across Alston Moor to get to the Lakes, were all there. But not the ones of the room.
Strange, and my partner asked me what was wrong, so I explained to her.
I therefore actually believed at this point, that it had not recorded the photos, so I set about actually taking another one.
This time, I took my time, both taking the shot, and waiting a lengthy period after it was taken, to ensure it safely got stored etc etc, and then went into the Gallery > Captured, to view the resultant photo.
And what do you know, this one was not here EITHER.
Mmmm - methinks I better switch off my phone and switch back on.
And this is where things go really weird.
On doing so, when I then went back into Gallery > Captured, this time the LAST taken photo of the room WAS now there, whereas before reboot, none of them were, BUT, the previous two were STILL NOT listed.
Hopefully, this strange behaviour may be of help for the team trying to diagnose this issue - as none where listed, but after a reboot, the past shot one was, but not the previous two, so maybe had I of rebooted before shooting the last photo, I might have seen the earlier ones.
In any event, if I instead use File Manager, I can confirm that ALL the photos are here, safe, and fine.
But in the "Captured" section of my Gallery, even now, two days on, and after many reboots, the first two of my room, are still missing.
The numbering within the "Captured" section of the Gallery runs 11102009178, 11102009179, and then jumps to 11102009182
180, and 181, both being missing from here, but both still safely being located within File manager instead.
Worse...
If I instead view my photos in "All" instead of "Captured", things are really awry, in that I have to browse all over the shop, backwards and forwards in here, as things are NEVER in a proper order as far as I can ever tell, in the "All" section, and I need to look "forwards" as well as "backwards" in order to find anything in here.
But doing so I can sort of see them there, in that they are listed twice (but the missing photos DO appear in here - so it sounds like whatever FLAG the phone adds to those actually shot BY the phone, are not getting added to some photos, hence why they are not in !Captured!, but ARE in "All"😉
But they appear in "All" on two occasions -once as the original large file itself, with a timestamp of 19:20, and then again as an 8Kb thumbnail file with the same name, with a timestamp of 19:30
And there lies the problem - in a sense, they ARE in order. Because what has happened, is that the phone has not created the thumbnail image version of any of the photos I shot that day, until I must have viewed my Gallery at 19:30
And in so doing, it then created all the thumbnails of photos taken that day, even those on the way across, altogether, at 19:30
So the ones of my hotel room, APPEAR to be further back, than the ones of the actual journey even across to the lakes, because of this weird way it creates thumbnails altogether only when you view the gallery.
Thus resulting in a view in the "All" section, that is a mess and a joke to say the least, with newer photos taken, appearing to be listed much further back, than those taken right at the start of the day.
So I guess I am flagging up TWO distinct problems here Damian.
Firstly, confirming that the un-replicatable bug with shot photos not appearing in the "Captured" section, really CAN happen, and in a curious way too (a reboot may show some not previously found, but still not show others).
As well as flagging up an issue in the "All" section, whereby that as it appears thumbnail copies of an image also appear in here, but with the same filename, then as these thumbnails are created only when a user chooses to actually browse the gallery, then as a result, photos taken earlier the day, appear more recently than those just taken, as it's actually the THUMBNAILS you are viewing, not the full photo, and the thumbnails all get created at the same time.
Makes life real confusing...
And as a final thought Damian... "Captured" photos. Aside from identifying and fixing this bug mentioned above, can I also ask that moving forward, if a user shoots a photo, and then maybe crops it down to send only the relevant section, then perhaps this newly saved crop should also be findable in "Captured", as to me it makes more sense, as I certainly keep looking here for the resultant image, to send to people - as I see the resultant save, as still a "Capture" from my phone, as it were?
But clearly, the phone doesn't agree with me, as it stands, and edits of real photos shot with the camera, do NOT go in Captured, by design.
I merely offer that in the future, maybe they should?
Hope all this info helps, and feel free to message me back for any more info.
[QUOTE=shadamehr;441967]@ Damian specifically, to provide info about the Missing Captured Images issue.
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Thanks for taking the time to explain what happened. Firstly, it is normal that images do not show up immediately after capture in photos as they are still being processed in the background and then photos has to 'see' them. The processing message you see after capture is in relation of processing a thumbnail for post capture viewing. This is not the final image quality as not all image processing is applied at this stage to speed up the process at this point.
I can only think that in the process of restarting the phone that you disturbed some background activity. If you're able to replicate this again without the restart step that would be very useful additional info. I'll keep an open mind on this for now though.
atb
DamianDinning wrote:shadamehr wrote:@ Damian specifically, to provide info about the Missing Captured Images issue.Thanks for taking the time to explain what happened. Firstly, it is normal that images do not show up immediately after capture in photos as they are still being processed in the background and then photos has to 'see' them. The processing message you see after capture is in relation of processing a thumbnail for post capture viewing. This is not the final image quality as not all image processing is applied at this stage to speed up the process at this point.
Agreed, hence why I indicated it was only for the merest of time, so I don not beleive this was the issue Damian, rest assured.
DamianDinning wrote:I can only think that in the process of restarting the phone that you disturbed some background activity. If you're able to replicate this again without the restart step that would be very useful additional info. I'll keep an open mind on this for now though.
atb
I would hope that this was *not* the case of events that has caused this (a reboot causing a running background app to die midway).
Because the reboot of the phone, came some CONSIDERABLE time later, after I had checked the first two photos had not shown up in the "Captured" section, as I decided to have myself a shave and stuff before taking the final photo later.
So that's a MIGHTY long time for the phone to need, to store the photos to the "Captured" section.
*lol*
Nor would it explain things, because as mentioned, when I did later take the final photo, this too was NOT listed in the Gallery, and the action of rebooting the phone (which you wonder if it might have killed something mid-progress), was in fact, the actual bit that FIXED the issue, at least for that final shot, in that instead of being the CAUSE of it not appearing in the Gallery, the reboot is what finally GOT the last photo to appear in the Gallery.
Just not the other two though.
So you know far more about the phone architecture than I, for sure, but the action of rebooting the phone, sounds highly UNLIKELY as the cause of this problem, given that it came MUCH MUCH later, AND for the other photo, was the actual FIX, not the cause...?
I still maintain, whilst not understanding the underlying architecture and what is happening behind the scenes, that for photos shot WITH the phone, then a Flag perhaps get set, so that these such photos then appear in the "Captured" section.
And for whatever reason, a very random bug means sometimes this Flag might not get set?
Notwithstanding any of the above, this info relates to the issue of photos not appearing in "Captured".
The other issue I raise, that of thumbnails appearing in "All" photo section, but the thumbnails themselves only getting created in bulk all together when the Gallery gets browsed, and thus causing photos to "appear" to be totally out of order, is a different issue entirely, and one than seems, more than just replicateable, but actually "by current design", as it seems to do this ALL THE TIME for me...?
Hope this helps, and thanks for acknowledging you've seen my post
(oh and the NSU update posted elsewhere by you - all the more reason why I say NSU should be FIRST, BEFORE FOTA updates).
That way, all those who learn of a new update, CAN install it.
Unlike FOTA first, where people like me can learn of a new update via their phone, but then can't actually do anything to download it, due to lack of actual carrier support for FOTA.
Damian, can you not have a word with colleagues, and ask if there is not a NOKIA FOTA server, and if so, what it's address and configuration details are please, as like I said elsewhere to you, the Nokia Settings Page is now no longer a practical TOOL in itself for getting settings, but just a publicity page, that now just directs you to the phone's Settings Wizard tool, or to your own Carrier for anything else it doesn't fix.
In the past, it used to be a proper portal where you could have the required settings sent to your phone OTA.
Thanks Damian again matey.
malerocks wrote:
"Auto Focus Area - Multi-point AF(9 points)/ Centre-weighted AF/ Flexible Spot AF"For any particular shot, the camera can do any one of these 3 focuses. The 1st one (Multi-point AF(9 points))is used in face detection mode for focusing on multiple faces.
I think this is misleading. "Multi-point AF" means that there are 9 potential points it may focus on, so for face detection it will pick one of those points, i.e. left, right, top right etc. It will only truly be focused on one spot as already mentioned above a lens can only focus on one plane.
However depending on the depth of field/aperture size all the faces maybe in focus if the they are standing next to each other. If the aperture is opened right up for low-light conditions and the faces are different distances away some may be out of focus.
ive just bought myself a nokia n86 for at uni, and i dont have a clue how to turn off the screen roation, its a pain in the arse! can anyone help?? thanks
P.S. how do i upload pics directly from my phone to facebook? thanks again
Starkey89 wrote:ive just bought myself a nokia n86 for at uni, and i dont have a clue how to turn off the screen roation, its a pain in the arse! can anyone help?? thanks
P.S. how do i upload pics directly from my phone to facebook? thanks again
1 - If I remember it being the right thing, go to Tools > Settings > General > Sensor Settings, and turn Sensors "Off". I think this is the one that controls auto-rotate, but sadly it also controls the flip face down to silence calls/alarms functionality too, bear in mind.
2 - Install ShoZu (a chargeable, �6 or so application mind), as this is the easiest, and does lots more, OR set up Pixelpipes (do a Google Search and read up for info), OR, go to Facebook itself (on a real PC), go to Facebook Mobile Settings, enable Facebook Mobile. Facebook will then tell you to send a specific worded text message, to a special number it will supply. If you send this text, a confirmation code will get snet back to your phone, for you to enter into the relevant field on the PC. If you enter this correctly, your phone is now enabled for Facebook Mobile alerts etc, which you can set up yourself. You can then also enable "Uploads by Mobile", and in so doing, it will provide you with a special EMAIL address for you to use, to send your photos to. Easiest thing to do then, is save a new contact in your phone, called "Facebook Uploads", and include the email address, as the email field. Then, you can simply send any photo you shoot, by simple MMS picture message, direct to this contact, and it will go to your Facebook. Bear in mind though, this works fine with all of the UK networks, except for T-Mobile, who do not support it at all.
Apologies that (2) is long winded, but its for sure, not a quick simple question you are asking mate. Once set up, it's a doddle, no matter what method you choose. But getting it all set up for the first time, is hardly a quick question, with a quick answer.