From reading around the Web there is no official statement from Nokia, most phones will be supported! There is certainly no support for the N900... The n97 will get the update but that only means there is what less than a dozen handsets.
AAS seems to make out this is going to be available for most handsets which is no true until Nokia say so.
I wouldn't hold your breath this will be available on your handset. Have you noticed the list consists of most new Nokia phones to help with sales or those beta phones where people were used as guinea pigs... "The angry mob"
This is good news but until Nokia comes out with an official statement saying what future handsets will be supported this is no challenge to Google.
BTW there is a workaround for Google maps to be stored on your phone without data connection.
Don't cry - just install
I've just installed version 3.03 on my N97 and everything seems work fine.
I like this new interface...
"It just occurred to me: what happens if you just forked-out for a year's navigation?"
Nokia thanks you for the money. Actually, it is a legitimate concern. Hopefully they'll get some bonus features? Does the free navigation include traffic info, for instance, or is it an add-on? Will Nokia phones get better voice search capabilities?
This is a big move, and a necessary one. Nokia was falling too far behind, and this puts them back in the game. Thank Google, however. They were first with free navigation. Yes, Ovi Maps is better since the maps are downloadable and available anywhere even without data, but Google took the plunge, probably with the full realization that Nokia would follow suit.
Currently, not all devices are listed as having this new version and free navigation available.
To get it for the N86 however, all I did was follow the Web link, chose Nokia E72 as my own handset instead, and did the manual PC based Desktop Download, then installed across (side-loaded it).
And not only did it work FINE, man, I have to say, they have made some vast and clever improvements to Ovi Maps - it's not just now FREE, there's a whole new version and interface too, and integrated Social Media sharing (Facebook only for now).
Well cool - hope this helps for others for whom it is not yet listed. Bear in mind of course, the E72 which is listed, is a FP2 device, so there was a good chance it did indeed work on an N86, which is also FP2.
If you have an older FP1 device, you will likely have problems maybe...
This is excellent news! 😎
Have a E52 myself and gonna install it ASAP!
HoldUrHorses wrote:From reading around the Web there is no official statement from BTW there is a workaround for Google maps to be stored on your phone without data connection.
What's the workaround? I'd rather have an official solution. Now that Nokia has made its big move, it's Google's turn to respond. Let's see what they come up with. Right now, it's advantage Nokia (at least for consumers).
KPOM wrote:This is a welcome move, but let's give credit where credit is due. Google made navigation free for Android 2.0 and 2.1 devices. Free Ovi Maps is better since the maps are downloadable, but Google came up with the concept. Either way, it's great news. Expect Apple to follow suit.
Not quite sure why that post was necessary. I think the two are barely comparable actually. Nokia's Ovi Maps is (as has been said elsewhere) free globally on many, many millions of existing devices (with support for further handsets already in people's hands to follow). Ovi Maps are vector based. They're global. Voices free. POI free. Guides free. Maps free. Nav free. Walking free.
In contrast, Google made their inferior product free for the VERY small number of owners of Android devices that support it, for bits of the US, using bitmaps. End of story. Not terribly significant in comparison to Nokia's move, and now Nokia's done this, one less reason (if one less were needed) to buy an Android phone.
Apple follow suit? Apple have a high end niche device used by around 1% of all phone owners in the world and are a law unto themselves. I wouldn't expect anything from them until they feel like it for their own reasons. This is the company that only just put MMS into their phones, not to mention a variety of other things owners of other phones take for granted.
HoldUrHorses wrote:
This is good news but until Nokia comes out with an official statement saying what future handsets will be supported this is no challenge to Google.
My goodness, if ever I read a piece of fear, uncertainty and doubt (i.e. complete nonsense) from someone who shelled out for a rival smartphone OS, that post was it!
"No challenge to Google". Ha ha, you've gotta laugh 😊
Maybe time to get your money back on that shiny new Android handset you just bought? 😊
HoldUrHorses wrote:From reading around the Web there is no official statement from Nokia, most phones will be supported! There is certainly no support for the N900... The n97 will get the update but that only means there is what less than a dozen handsets.AAS seems to make out this is going to be available for most handsets which is no true until Nokia say so.
I wouldn't hold your breath this will be available on your handset. Have you noticed the list consists of most new Nokia phones to help with sales or those beta phones where people were used as guinea pigs... "The angry mob"
This is good news but until Nokia comes out with an official statement saying what future handsets will be supported this is no challenge to Google.
BTW there is a workaround for Google maps to be stored on your phone without data connection.
Hi mate - you might want to try checking out the Official Nokia Statement then, over at:
http://events.nokia.com/ovimaps/index.html
Quotes from it:
- "Navigation on your Nokia is now Free. That�s free navigation for everyone. Forever."
- "We realised that billions of people around the world already have mobile phones that are perfectly suited to delivering Navigation"
- "From this day on, Navigation on your Nokia, with Ovi Maps, will be free for everyone, everywhere..."
Some of the statements in the Press Release/General Release Page are indeed not technically true, in that it is not possible for all, as in some countries, navigation and mapping still does not even exist.
But the general ethos is what you should be taking from the press statement, and on that basis, rest assured, if you have a Symbian Nokia, *with or without internal GPS, and ^whether it be FP1, FP2, or S50, then eventually you will be able to get the New Ovi Maps, with Free Voice Navigation.
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DISCLAIMER: the text marked * and ^ up above, are my own humble opinions, but I suspect this will be the case.
Pawlee wrote:This better come to the n86 soon 😞
It's on my N86 and working just fine, including Ovi Sync support, and Facebook Location Support.
No hacking, just see my post, No. 64 I think it is, up above mate.
Unregistered wrote:Doesn't actually work...going through a web browser says "enter your mobile number and we'll text you a link". Everyone and their dog must be trying, because it's been nearly 30 minutes now and I haven't received my text yet.Of course, the other option ALSO won't work 😞 - visit www.nokia.mobi/maps/download from your mobile browser, which if you don't have a compatible phone or browser doesn't provide a download URL...grrrr!
So...PLEASE can you post the actual URL link? If you have it? Presumably you received the SMS when it wasn't bogged down and worked, and linked to it that way?
Pretty please!?! With cherry on top?!?!
Your not LOOKING PROPERLY.
As well as the sending a text link, and as well as the "visit direct on your mobile", there is ALSO a link, to download direct to PC for PC or Mac users, on that page.
Look properly! Clue - it's in the same box as the phone number bit, at the bottom, in smaller font. See the Screen-grab below, click for full size.
It's how I used the E72 version, to go on my N86, and is working perfectly!
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HoldUrHorses wrote:BTW there is a workaround for Google maps to be stored on your phone without data connection.
There are several, but none satisfactory. They never can be due to the size of bitmaps. You can however, preload a route. and the tiles it covers. Google don't use the clever vector images that Nokia do.
There is also a bookmark trick that works on some phones.
Unregistered wrote:I see it's not available for N97 and N86 8MP. When will the N86 receive it? Does anyone know???
See my posts above - now, is the answer, if you fiddle things ever so slightly.
Unregistered wrote:A BIG laugh out loud at the negative comments on here. MAN! I mean what WOULD make you happy?! NOTHING, that's what. Some people are just a cloud of negativity.Nokia just beat the entire market and gave totally free satnav across the board on their superb phones! This sort of thing is unheard of!
Are you all a bit sore because you just stupidly went and bought an iPhone or Android? Oh dear. Sorry. Maybe switch back now eh, because Symbian's the future!
So there's a few teething problems with downloading, or it's not available for your handset yet? SO WHAT? Ever heard of 'patience'? Ever heard of 'gratitude'?
Seriously whingers, wake up! Smell reality. PLEASE - Show me the iPhone that offers free global turn by turn navigation off and online with free traffic and POIs, for under �100. PLEASE - Show me the Android phone that matches that. PLEASE - show me the WinMo or Blackberry that matches that.
You can't, can you? And you'll never be able to either. Meanwhile, I'll show you the Nokia 5230, as mentioned in the article. Nokia beat the entire market, and are better than the entire market. They are the champions. Live with it.
And if you STILL hate Nokia because the UI is a little slow on some phones, compared to iPhone or Android, and despite all THEIR weaknesses in comparison to Nokia, then so be it. Good bye, enjoy your iPhone's and Androids with their high prices, and numerous failings.
EXCELLENT POST - well said mate!
Even FREE is not cheap enough for some miserable gits.
Well said mate!
Yep, working fine so far on my N86 too..... I installed the E52 file, and all seems to be ok. Not tried all of the features properly yet though. http://thenokianetwork.com/2010/01/new-ovi-maps-installed-on-nokia-n86/
installed fine to my 5530 xpressmusic, just need a cheap gps bluetooth unit now
Sadly being Nokia only it does does not work on my Samsung i8910. To be honest, I'd happily pay the previous licence fee for it :frown:
installed e72 file on my n86... works a treat... everything seems to be in order (wahey)
new maps is awesome... i definitely hope we can expect more of this from nokia this year to make up for the many faults of last year
with a new store comin soon as well its a good start 😊
I wish I could install it on my N95-1
Jejoma wrote:Sadly being Nokia only it does does not work on my Samsung i8910. To be honest, I'd happily pay the previous licence fee for it :frown:
I'm sorry but what did you expect? This move is not only aimed at google but other manufacturers too. Now, if Nokia starts releasing some current spec phones and adds eye candy to Symbian, I don't see a way for others to keep up.
very easy to grab the e72 sis and send it to my N86 and install from there ... still have over 50mb free on my c drive too ... rockin! 😊
unofficial compatible list of s60 3rd edition FP2 and S60 5th Edition:
N86
5530 XpressMusic
6700 Slide
6760 Surge
E75
6720 Classic
5630 XpressMusic
N79
N96
N85
5320 XpressMusic
6220 Classic
N78
6650 Fold
6210 Navigator
taken from forum.nokia.com
Unregistered wrote:Not quite sure why that post was necessary. I think the two are barely comparable actually. Nokia's Ovi Maps is (as has been said elsewhere) free globally on many, many millions of existing devices (with support for further handsets already in people's hands to follow). Ovi Maps are vector based. They're global. Voices free. POI free. Guides free. Maps free. Nav free. Walking free.In contrast, Google made their inferior product free for the VERY small number of owners of Android devices that support it, for bits of the US, using bitmaps. End of story. Not terribly significant in comparison to Nokia's move, and now Nokia's done this, one less reason (if one less were needed) to buy an Android phone.
Google opened up the floodgates with their move. Basically, they introduced the concept of free navigation to sell phones. Droid has sold fairly well, and Android is picking up steam. At the time of Google's announcement, several analysts, including AAS, IIRC, predicted Nokia would do the same sooner or later.
Remember that the day Google made their announcement, the stock prices of Tom-Tom and Garmin plunged. They did so again today (though the market is also down today). Google's product is available throughout the US wherever there is data coverage. Verizon's coverage is actually quite good (they have launched a "map" war with AT&T over it).
With Android making inroads, and Google planning launches of Navigation in Europe in 2010, the writing was on the wall. Nokia needed to make a pre-emptive strike, which they did. It was a good move. But don't think that Nokia would have done this if not for the competition that Google, Apple, and others have been putting on them throughout the world. If they announce a write-down of their investment in Navteq, it will be confirmation that this was driven by competitive forces, not the same commercial motives that led them to buy Navteq in 2008.
Unregistered wrote:This is the company that only just put MMS into their phones, not to mention a variety of other things owners of other phones take for granted.
How is MMS working on the N900?
Unregistered wrote:Remember that the day Google made their announcement, the stock prices of Tom-Tom and Garmin plunged. They did so again today (though the market is also down today). Google's product is available throughout the US wherever there is data coverage. Verizon's coverage is actually quite good (they have launched a "map" war with AT&T over it).
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Garmin barely flickered against its recent growth, which is better than the nasdaq average. I would hope that people who have the means to trade big on the nasdaq would the sense to realise that Garmin are hardly competing with mobile phone makers. They make sophisticated equipment for aircraft flight navigation and marine equipment. I can't see Nokia phones being used in glass cockpits.
Unregistered wrote:
Nokia just beat the entire market and gave totally free satnav across the board on their superb phones! This sort of thing is unheard of!Are you all a bit sore because you just stupidly went and bought an iPhone or Android? Oh dear. Sorry. Maybe switch back now eh, because Symbian's the future!
And if you STILL hate Nokia because the UI is a little slow on some phones, compared to iPhone or Android, and despite all THEIR weaknesses in comparison to Nokia, then so be it. Good bye, enjoy your iPhone's and Androids with their high prices, and numerous failings.
Symbian needs a lot of work if it is to be the future. Other companies may well match the navigation offer. We know Google will once they get the maps ready. I suspect others will, too. This isn't "free" for Nokia. They spent $8 billion to buy Navteq and now probably just wrote off a big chunk of that now that they won't be earning any software revenue from Ovi Maps.
I left Nokia (after the N95-1, N95-3, N85, N97, and N900) because they all had lots of other flaws in addition to the UI, from slow processors, lack of RAM, BT incompatibilities, or poor build quality. The N900 had the most potential but the OS is too unfinished. I'll consider Nokia in the future, but likely a Maemo 6 device if it gets a decent Ovi Maps with included Navigation. Until then, I'm pretty happy with the Nexus One.
The bottom line is that this was a good and necessary move for Nokia, but its greatest impact will be to kill off the navigation companies. Other smartphone platforms still have several critical market advantages and will continue to make inroads into Nokia's other markets. This may stem the tide a bit, but Nokia still has work to do.
KPOM wrote:How is MMS working on the N900?
How is MMS working on any phone? Very very few people use it, I saw some network stats and MMS may as well not be there. Not many would miss it if it wasn't available. Lack off MMS never was a problem on the iPhone.
As for the N900, I think that is in another product category. It's not really truly portable in the way that other phones are, it's so extremely bulky that it's more a tablet thing that is sort of a stopgap product for Nokia. I wouldn't touch it.
Unregistered wrote:Garmin barely flickered against its recent growth, which is better than the nasdaq average. I would hope that people who have the means to trade big on the nasdaq would the sense to realise that Garmin are hardly competing with mobile phone makers. They make sophisticated equipment for aircraft flight navigation and marine equipment. I can't see Nokia phones being used in glass cockpits.
True, but Tom-Tom is near its 52-week lows. Garmin has a stronger business model, as you point out. Nonetheless, my point is that Google's move had a major impact on the navigation companies, and started Tom-Tom's recent downward spiral. I'm sure the market wasn't concerned about a few million Android phones that would be sold in the US. The market started realizing Nokia was highly likely to follow suit, and that eventually just about every smartphone would have GPS and navigation, likely included in the initial purchase price. Today's move just confirms that.
Ememess wrote:How is MMS working on any phone? Very very few people use it, I saw some network stats and MMS may as well not be there. Not many would miss it if it wasn't available. Lack off MMS never was a problem on the iPhone. As for the N900, I think that is in another product category. It's not really truly portable in the way that other phones are, it's so extremely bulky that it's more a tablet thing that is sort of a stopgap product for Nokia. I wouldn't touch it.
I agree about MMS. I was just responding to a poster who used it as evidence that Apple was somehow inept in the smartphone market. I'm sure Apple's pending announcement and its rapid growth played into Nokia's move today. Nokia is playing one of their strengths (navigation), just as Apple has played to theirs (ease of use, third-party applications).
so hope this comes to the N95 if not I hope they simply 'flick the switch' and enable it through a license update it would be a crying shame if they don't