Nokia's Ovi Maps navigation goes free

KPOM wrote:Would Nokia have shipped the N900 without the ability to make a call? What about the ability to send an SMS? They managed to port or write e-mail, basic navigation, music playing, contact management, and calendar applications, but not MMS. Apparently they think they can sell the phone in the meantime without MMS but with those features.

What, you mean like Apple did with the iPhone, and managed to sell TWENTY MILLION before they finally brought out MMS...?

A bit like that you mean...?

*lol*

And who said they wrote or ported ALL of that - in so far as I know, MOST of those things you list, are part of Maemo, or Maemo was at least designed to make that sort of application easy to code, perhaps unlike MMS which Maemo had zilch background with.

Disclaimer - I agree, it SHOULD have it. But all your post does is shows you ain't read MY post. NO they would not have brought out the N900 using Maemo, if at the time they needed to get it out the door, it could not make a phone call. Making a phone call is an ESSENTIAL part of a telephone after all. Nokia however have unlike us, took the view that MMS is a highly desirable aspect of a mobile phone, but not an ESSENTIAL feature, at least to a NEW PLATFORM like this, that is!

Nokia have made no secret that the Maemo is a Multimedia Computer, WITH THE ABILITY to make phone calls too. They have not at any point said "Hey, this is no different to any previous Nokia you might have held" - in fact far far from it, they have been at pains to point out, to the tech community at least, that, "We like the idea of this, but be careful, here there be dragons...".

MMS is just one single example of some the unique differences between the N900, and Symbian based Nokias, there are more however.

Once Nokia can code up, to their sufficient satisfaction, a proper MMS feature for Maemo, then we will not only see it rolled out retrospectively (my opinion at least), it will also of course come in the base code out the box, of any future Maemo Nokia devices.

Clearly, you haven't read my posts, as it is ME in here that is arguing tooth and nail that MMS is a vital feature - were six LONG posts claiming this, not enough for you 😉

But if you listen to half the members up above, you'd be forgiven for thinking MMS can be removed from ALL phones.

Certainly however, given that Nokia STILL do not have a suitable MMS client for the N900, let me ask you this...

"Would you rather Nokia had held off from releasing the N900 until they can get an MMS client sorted for it, which in simple terms, would mean that the N900 would in that situation, not even be out yet, and all those who own one, would still not own it...?"

That's a very real question, as that is what the situation would be.

And saying that, the question is not "Would you rather..." but should actually be asked as "Do you think that overall, the vast majority of people would rather Nokia had held off from...."

And we know the answer to that.

Like I said at the start, TWENTY MILLION iPhones sold before that device had MMS.... I think Nokia were entitled to release the N900 without MMS support, if it meant avoiding holding up the device unnecessarily. REMINDER - this was an EXPERIMENTAL release by Nokia, just to see what demand would be like. As such, for a new, experimental device, never before used, utilising an entirely new OS platform, and one not specifically designed for Telephony at that, then Nokia were well within their right to release it with any number of omitted features that did not exist for it, that other devices take for granted. That's the whole idea of an 'experimental release' of a new platform product.

Indeed, ONLY because of the huge surprise demand, would I feel Nokia are even now minded to create an MMS client. Otherwise I think they would have just left Maemo as it was, with a full openness to potential owners of any Maemo based device, that "Maemo does not support MMS, xyz, abc, etc. It is a Multimedia PC that also allows telephony".

So be thankful it has sold as well as it has. As this means two thinks - Nokia were RIGHT to release it without MMS, as demand was still more than high enough for a device with no MMS support.

And secondly, due to said high demand and sales, they are more likely to actually write an MMS client for it now.

Hope that clarifies, and I genuinely wish you every luck that Nokia are not far from getting you a great MMS client, as well as the new Nokia Maps with free life navigation too, rest assured sir.

shadamehr wrote:

Indeed, ONLY because of the huge surprise demand, would I feel Nokia are even now minded to create an MMS client. Otherwise I think they would have just left Maemo as it was, with a full openness to potential owners of any Maemo based device, that "Maemo does not support MMS, xyz, abc, etc. It is a Multimedia PC that also allows telephony".

So be thankful it has sold as well as it has. As this means two thinks - Nokia were RIGHT to release it without MMS, as demand was still more than high enough for a device with no MMS support.
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My point is that MMS is not an essential part of a phone. If you recall, this whole MMS tangent came up because someone (at this point I forget who) dismissed Apple as a smartphone competitor because they "just recently" added MMS support. It is a sideshow to the larger meaning of Nokia's announcement.

On the whole, Nokia's announcement strikes me as a defensive move. They have been losing market share to RIM, Google, and Apple, and in particular very profitable segments of the market in Europe. They have largely missed out on the explosion of the smartphone market in North America. Ovi Maps was envisioned as a subscriber service, and is now being offered as an included (i.e. free) service. That said, I think it may well be an effective move. If they can hold their ground, 37% of the world's smartphone market is a nice position to be in, particularly if the rest of the market is split between RIM, Apple, a host of smaller players using Android and, to a lesser extent, Palm and WinMo.

KPOM wrote:My point is that MMS is not an essential part of a phone. If you recall, this whole MMS tangent came up because someone (at this point I forget who) dismissed Apple as a smartphone competitor because they "just recently" added MMS support (snip...)

And once again, whilst I would not be so flippant as to say I am not interested in 'your point', as that would be both unfair and untrue, nevertheless I will simply *SAY* (edited as I omitted this single word) again...

"Your point" (which you keep amending anyway with each follow up reply), Is NOT what I chose to respond to in this thread, and is therefore not really any concern of mine.

Once again (this makes it SIX times now I have repeated this), my sole part in this debate, was to respond to the specific quotes of:

"Mms is not wanted." "Mms is not used". ".Mms is not needed".

THAT is what I responded to, and those are the statements I shot down in flames a million times over, by including actual factual figures in my reply, not bandied about spurious claims without any logic, reason, or evidence behind it.

I trust that finally, at the SIXTH time of reminding people of my part in this, that they will finally give up on the stupid, moronic, crass, rubbish of saying "MMS is not used".

Doh.

I haven't "amended" my point at all. I don't know or care what MMS usage is. I'm primarily concerned with the impact of Nokia's addition of free navigation to their phones (which is the point of this article that we are replying to).

Somewhere along this debate, the point was made that Nokia's move may have been motivated both by Google's offering of free navigation in select markets (likely) and Apple's increasing market share (plausible, but less direct), to which someone tried to dismiss Apple by saying they just recently added MMS and so weren't a real competitor. The point seemed to be that missing something that Nokia offered somehow rendered a competitor irrelevant. IMO, not if what's missing isn't something that will be a deal killer.

Anyway, the MMS point is moot since Nokia Symbian, Android, and Apple devices all support MMS. Maemo devices do not, but they are a small segment so far. With Nokia's announcement, their phones offer free navigation in most markets throughout the world. Android 1.6 and 2.X devices offer free navigation in the US, with expansion to Europe and Asia expected in 2010 and 2011. Apple has paid applications available, but as of today does not offer free navigation anywhere nor have they announced plans (at least not yet - perhaps they have something to announce on Wednesday). From where they are today, Nokia has an advantage over Google, who in turn has an advantage over Apple for those people who consider navigation to be a key feature.

The question now is whether consumers in general find free navigation to be a major selling point such that they will choose a Nokia phone over an Android device or iPhone. That is by no means certain, at least right now. There may come a time when all phones come with free navigation, just as virtually all phones come with cameras of some sort. But until then, will phones without free navigation be at a significant competitive disadvantage? We'll see in a few quarters once the effects of Nokia's move (and any responses by competitors) are known.

KPOM wrote:I haven't "amended" my point at all. I don't know or care what MMS usage is. I'm primarily concerned with the impact of Nokia's addition of free navigation to their phones (which is the point of this article that we are replying to).

If you don't know or care what MMS usage is, then PLEASE do tell us why you saw fit to start this whole drawn out debate between you and I in here, taking the thread off topic, with a response to my MMS usage post, with a reply numbered 116, in here that specifically said:

KPOM wrote:"You are making a lot of assumptions. Is MMS usage rising at the same level as SMS usage? Considering that there are over 60 million people in the UK and cell phone uptake is very high, is this a big number? Maybe, maybe not. Also, if given an alternative to MMS, such as e-mail, would people be content? "

Am I missing something supremely profound here or what, because this is EXACTLY what started the debate between us, and what every single one of my follow up replies has been about. MMS usage figures. It's the ONLY thing that you responded to, and got me started!

KPOM wrote:Somewhere along this debate... (snip)

KPOM wrote:"The point is..."

KPOM wrote:"The Bottom line is..."

How many times do you want to play that same broken record...

"Somewhere along this debate..."

EXACTLY, that's MY point, and this is now my SEVENTH time of telling you this - by crikey, your not very good at reading are you...

I'm not BOTHERED about ANYTHING from 'somewhere further along in this debate'...

And have said so many many times. I am merely interested in what STARTED me off replying. And again, that was the posts by others of:

"Mms is not used", "Mms is not wanted", "Mms is not needed".

And as a result, YOUR post about me allegedly making assumptions about MMS usage figures too.

Did you get that this SEVENTH time of saying it, or do you need it again an eighth time...? Seriously, you are either incredibly dense, or incredibly rude, ignorant , and deliberately trolling.

You keep blathering on about Apple, Maemo, and god knows what else (as do I to be fair in here, but in OTHER posts, in a DIFFERENT debate, and NOT in relation to this MMS issue, just to be clear). For christ's sake, what has any of that got to do with my simple rebuttal of the claim MMS is not being used, when 10.3 billion MMS were sent in the first half of 2009 in the US of A alone?

So, which are you...?

Incredibly dense, or incredibly, and deliberately ignorant and trolling, to repeatedly keep pretending to have missed what I have said no less than SEVEN times now...?

Go re-read your very own first post in reply to mine, numbered 116 in this thread, and explain to us how this is NOT about MMS Usage figures, like you have just said.

Jeezuz Khrist....

Let's just forget it. Obviously the only reason you are on this thread is to bash people and call them trolls or stupid because they disagree with you.

These are my last words on this thread:
I didn't start the discussion on MMS. Quite early on, I had mentioned that Nokia's move to make Ovi Maps with Navigation free may have been prompted by Google's decision to offer free navigation, and possibly by the inroads Apple made. To which someone responded that this had nothing to do with Apple because the iPhone is so bad because it just got MMS recently, as if MMS compatibility were the defining characteristic of smartphone relevance.

I've tried to get this discussion back on topic, but it's obvious that this is now the "MMS is very important to people" thread.

The first words that you said TO ME on the subject are quoted up above.

Or do you deny that they are your words...?

If you accept they are your words, then your involvement with me, was you saying MMS is not well used etc. and that I was making assumptions etc about MMS usage figures.

So never mind "obviously you are only on this thread to bash people..."

On the contrary, you've wasted half of my day and night getting me to reply to posts, that at the end of it all, you have the audacity to say you weren't even interested in or talking about, anyway.

What colour is the sky, on the planet where you live...?

Don't give me crap about "Quite early on, I had mentioned that Nokia's move to make Ovi Maps with Navigation free may have been prompted by Google's decision to offer free navigation, and possibly by the inroads Apple made"

Your FIRST words and involvement to me, are QUOTED up above, and do NOT relate to that.

You sir, are a troll...

A troll who starts a debate off about ONE subject...

...starts to digress from said subject he actually started as things move on,

...and then finally seek to claim they never even mentioned or were discussing, the very thing that started it all off.

To me, people who do that, are known to live under bridges.

Have a nice evening now won't you.

Good effort Shadamehr. Working to establish the truth to the end and not taking nonsense. Have a rest now pal. You've earned it!

Williamoni wrote:Good effort Shadamehr. Working to establish the truth to the end and not taking nonsense. Have a rest now pal. You've earned it!

It sounds more like he has to have the last word on everything.

Williamoni wrote:Good effort Shadamehr. Working to establish the truth to the end and not taking nonsense. Have a rest now pal. You've earned it!

Thanks mate, pleased someone on here is not a Troll (see comment after yours for another example).

Unregistered wrote:It sounds more like he has to have the last word on everything.

It was the SAME word, not the last word.

EIGHT times I tried to explain/repeat it, but hey, that didn't help the other person read it any better.

And 'on everything'...?

Irrespective of the NUMBER of posts it needed, there was only ever ONE issue.

It's not my fault that stating it again and again eight times, the other party deliberately chose to ignore it each time.

Last word however is all yours mate, go for it, fire off what you wish. I'll not say anything about what most people on here think of those who hide behind "unregistered" accounts, or how we all wish to hell Admin will finally see sense, not numbers, and block anonymous posting.

But like I said, the last word is all yours, "unregistered", whichever one of hundreds of them you could be.

So fire away, if you so urgently feel the need *lol*

Well, I'll wait patiently for N85 official support. As others have mentioned, I can't quite work out how people could be annoyed at Nokia for this (and the disdain is worse over at the Nokia boards). How dare they not support my phone from day 1? This is my last Nokia phone.

Rubbish. It will all be available, and it will take a bit of time. Presumably it also easier to launch with the newer handsets first from a technical point of view. If they hadn't announced it, people wouldn't be so pissy.

As for MMS, I have to say I rarely use it on the N85. Not because I don't want to, but because it's not well implemented (unless I'm missing something). My previous handset (Sony Ericsson model) would automatically resize the image when sending. The N85 warns you that the image might be too big for the recipient. So you then have to go and edit the picture. And you are not that sure how big the size should be. If there was a simpler option, I'd love to know about it, but for now I've just got out of the habit, which is a shame.

Will be checking back here for updates and advice. Glad I found the place.

Unregistered wrote:Snipped...

As for MMS, I have to say I rarely use it on the N85. Not because I don't want to, but because it's not well implemented (unless I'm missing something). My previous handset (Sony Ericsson model) would automatically resize the image when sending. The N85 warns you that the image might be too big for the recipient. So you then have to go and edit the picture. And you are not that sure how big the size should be. If there was a simpler option, I'd love to know about it, but for now I've just got out of the habit, which is a shame.

Will be checking back here for updates and advice. Glad I found the place.

For a 'simpler option', try ignoring the advice warning, and sending anyway, and watch what happens.

The advice warning is exactly that, advice.

It is there, because users of older phones indeed, or on poor carriers who only support MMS v1.0, and thus a maximum data size of only 100Kb instead of the now standard 300Kb, might not be able to receive.

I have five family members including me, in our household, spread across three different UK networks.

Every single one of them, can send and receive MMS fine, whilst completely ignoring the advice message.

(In other words, the UK nets are now on 300KB file size limits).

The phone IS resizing the image automatically anyway - this is controlled through the settings you specify once only, by going into the Messaging Application, then choosing:

Options > Settings > Multimedia

There you can specify the image size (Large or Small - but LARGE seems to work fine always for us anyway), and then the other MMS settings - creation mode is best left to "Guided"

This is also the place you can disable various types of MMS, such as receiving Anonymous Adverts etc, for this people who won't enable MMS as they get too many of these (not in the UK, but for overseas nets). They fail to realise they can simply turn these types of etc, and just blame MMS overall, for their lack of knowledge.

So go into these settings, and make sure it's set to "Large" (if you still have issues after testing this out a few times, maybe try setting to small instead, but large works for us in the UK, where carriers now allow up to 300Kb MMS file size).

Then try sending an MMS, and don't do ANYTHING to edit the image - just ignore the warning, and try sending it to yourself or a friend, and see what happens!

Hope this is helpful news for you mate.

shadamehr wrote:Hope this is helpful news for you mate.

Figured there was probably a way around it, but Nokia don't always make it as easy as they could.

whereas MMS does have its ever diminishing uses I find Email to be far superior nowadays and far far cheeper (usually under half price to send a full res picture) and if you have a data allowance it wouldnt cost you anything.

Unregistered wrote:whereas MMS does have its ever diminishing uses I find Email to be far superior nowadays and far far cheeper (usually under half price to send a full res picture) and if you have a data allowance it wouldnt cost you anything.

That's fine if the recipient's handset supports email, they have configured their email settings, and have it set up to regularly poll the server, otherwise I see the two as being different enough to co-exist.

If I want to quickly send a picture to a friend, and know that they've received it, I will MMS it to them. If I want to send information/images to a colleague in a more formal manner, I will email it. Unless my email address is with Virgin Media and handset is with Orange, in which case I will just send an email to my outbox and nobody will ever receive anything.

Emailing hasn't replaced SMS. MMS is broadly just that with rich media thrown in. A quick and easy way to send info.

Unregistered wrote:whereas MMS does have its ever diminishing uses I find Email to be far superior nowadays and far far cheeper (usually under half price to send a full res picture) and if you have a data allowance it wouldnt cost you anything.

If MMS has 'ever diminishing uses', how does that quantify with ever ever INCREASING usage. MUCH increasing!

Here we go again with the "MMS Bashing" *lol* SOME people never stop *lol*

Sending a just taken photo as an MMS takes me FOUR clicks (yes you can do it in just four button presses).

Even setup with shortcuts etc, how many clicks does it take to send a pic by Email, and how long does it take, having to do a full send & receive.

Notwithstanding the fact that for at least two UK nets, T-Mobile, and O2, MMS is part of a user's inclusive allowance on most standard tariffs (no need to add a data bundle, or ensure you are on a specific web n walk type plan, as email needs).

How does that contrast with Email Data use, whereas despite you talking about it being free IF a user has a web bundle, to me, it's the opposite... a user either needs to ensure they have an unlimited data plan, or have a web allowance add on included in order for email to be viable to them, or if not PAY to add one. Sure they could use wi-fi when passing a MacDonalds, or a coffee shop. But how would that then equate to instantly sending a photo, as MMS would.

Yes, I can see how EMAIL is easier... NOT.

And as for sending full resolution images. Few ever want or need to. But for those that do need to, MMS has NEVER EVER EVER been the medium suited for this, nor has one person ever claimed so.

If someone has a need to send a full 8 or even 12 MP photo, as newer phones shoot, then MMS is NEVER the medium for it. MMS is designed for the ready, speedy sending of photos to a mobile phone screen. As the destination recipient will be a mobile phone, with a 2.6" screen often enough, then why would you wish to send a ridiculous 12MP photo to a phone with a 2.6", 320x240 screen?

Thankfully incredibly few people want to send full 12MP photos direct from device. But when they do, that is exactly what Email was designed for, and I don't recall anyone ever saying any different *lol*

But again, how does ever ever increasing usage (factual statement, evidence links much earlier in this thread), equate with your ridiculous, utterly rubbish claim of "MMS does have its ever diminishing uses"..?

Unregistered wrote:Thanks for that - I've tried and I'll see whether it gets there. If that is the case, you could set the MMS creation guide to "free" to hide the warning completely.

Figured there was probably a way around it, but Nokia don't always make it as easy as they could.

Wow - I set about to help you, and instead you help ME - that's what is so great about these forums *lol*

Never realised that's what Guided meant - I always took it to be the way it took you through the MMS composition and sending.

So if so (I will experiment next), then you've took to this just fine, to have read my advice, and then learned enough from it to recommend ME something.

Cheers, well done, mate, and hope I helped too.

Thanks!

Enough. Anymore talk of MMS and the posts get deleted. It's been proven that they are obviously still used, but it shouldn't have gone so far off topic, replying to posts or not.

There is no telling what caused Nokia to release it all free, it could be many reasons.

For starters, take up of subscription could have been extremely low, due to the hacks out, and Maps simply being crap in many ways. Ironically, it's now decent now they have released it for free.

Perhaps they heard about Google, but someone posted a while before the announcement (a few days) and said that they knew someone in the development of Maps, and that the licensing code had been stripped quite a while ago. And that they decided to wait when google came out with theirs. I have no idea why, but maybe it was to put finishing touches to it.

True or not, I really don't see it as any importance other than for fanboys to pretend they have one over on each other.

Good move? I'll say so. I was just about to get a Nexus one, or the new Vivaz from SE. But for the moment I'm sticking with my 5800. While I have many (legit) satnavs available to me, I really tire of the licencing side of it, all the hassle when you reinstall after a hard reset, or change the phone, etc.

Not to mention the fact that your whole family (phones permitting) can now have the same. Before, who was going to buy all those licences, or install hacked versions?

This will eventually change things. Now everyone that can afford a low priced smartphone can have satnav that's compatible with each other. And, send each other locations and navigate right to it.

And that's interchangable with google maps. Any favourite you save after being sent by someone, it's accessible in google maps (and route66) as well as Ovi maps.

Now, we just need the hardware, lets see some decent specced (and built) models please. And get a move on with symbian foundation.

S60 3rd Edition FP2: http://nds1.nokia.com/PRODUCT_METADATA_0/Explore_Services/Ovi_Maps/maps_installer_3.03_10wk1_b05_s60_3.2.Nocs.sis

S60 5th Edition: http://nds1.nokia.com/PRODUCT_METADATA_0/Explore_Services/Ovi_Maps/maps_installer_3.03_10wk1_b05_s60_5.0.Nocs.sis

I haven't been able to install to N79 running v32.001 latest firmware though (3rd FP2), I get the "Application not compatible with phone. Continue anyway?" prompt followed by "Unable to install. No access" and the installation bombs out :frown:

What about N82 !!!

OVI Naviagtion is not free on my E90. Only availalbe version is 3.01 which still has a license manager in it. 3.03 does not ship with the Nokia E90. Nokia, you guys are a bunch of smucks !!! After 5 consecutive Nokia phones I must say that I am tempted to start looking somewhere else.

Anyone with an N86 who has been able to install the free navigation version of maps and has English among the available languages - could you tell me your product code? I've tried two different ones so far and it either doesn't install or else installs and won't load

Unregistered wrote:OVI Naviagtion is not free on my E90. Only availalbe version is 3.01 which still has a license manager in it. 3.03 does not ship with the Nokia E90. Nokia, you guys are a bunch of smucks !!! After 5 consecutive Nokia phones I must say that I am tempted to start looking somewhere else.

Ovi Maps FREE navigation version, is 3.03

And so far, this version is only available for the ten devices as listed on the Ovi Maps site (which is is blatantly clear you were too busy to even read, in your supreme desire to post negative comments about it on here), or for other FP2 devices, strangely, just by using the .sis file from one of the currently supported models.

Nokia however have given an indication that it is there intention to make a version of it for ALL ongoing Nokia handsets, and all released from March will ship with the full free version.

As for OLDER Feature Pack 1 devices, such as the E90, the position is not so clear cut, but it is still the general hope, and belief of many, that FP1 devices WILL also eventually get it to.

So instead of whingeing, whining, moaning and cursing, why not instead keep your fingers crossed, and then when Nokia DO give you a feature rich, satellite navigation product, entirely for free, which no single other manufacturer even has any plans to do, let alone does, Google in the USA excepted, then maybe you might be kind enough to come back here and PRAISE Nokia for the wonderful thing it is they are trying to do for us instead.

Jesus Christ - some people won't be happy until they have trees in their garden that grow money...

Doh.

In the meantime, do us all a favour, and do exactly what you suggest... look elsewhere, let us know what manufacturer you move to, and with a bit luck, the day after you make the move, Nokia might release Ovi Maps 3.03 for the Nokia E90.

Now wouldn't that be sweet justice?

*lol*

Only joking with that comment, rest assured, but on a serious note, chill out, relax, and just think of what you are saying here, and what you sound like matey...

Any chance of a reply to my PM? - You're the only one I've noticed who has got maps working on an N86

Unregistered wrote:OVI Naviagtion is not free on my E90. Only availalbe version is 3.01 which still has a license manager in it. 3.03 does not ship with the Nokia E90. Nokia, you guys are a bunch of smucks !!! After 5 consecutive Nokia phones I must say that I am tempted to start looking somewhere else.

I can't install the newest version on my N95-1 yet (like you), but the people at Nokia gave me a free license for 3.01 until I'm able to upgrade to 3.03.

PimpSC wrote:I can't install the newest version on my N95-1 yet (like you), but the people at Nokia gave me a free license for 3.01 until I'm able to upgrade to 3.03.

That's very good. Who did you ask and can we all do the same?

richardyates wrote:Any chance of a reply to my PM? - You're the only one I've noticed who has got maps working on an N86

Sorry Richard, as per my signature strip I gave up on the N86 mere days after Ovi Maps 3.03 came out, and moved to a more reliable E72.

I will dig it out tomorrow though, and let you know my product code.

HOWEVER, I see little point at all to it...

A product code should realistically do absolutely ZERO in terms of dictating whether an application can install and run. It's not a purpose Product Codes are designed for, or is a feature incorporated into them.

What you DO need to be careful of indeed though, and something I have seen with friends, is installing one type of FW on your phone, relating to one product code, and a particular operator branding...

Then changing product code...

...Then trying or doing a "Software Update" of notified new Maps versions at some later point in time....

That not only CAN cause problems, it very often WILL stop you even being able to open Ovi Maps, resulting in a crash, or in my mate's case, a full switch off (not a reboot, a weird complete switch off), of the phone...

So be careful of doing this - product code jiggery, and then "Software Update" check of Map Updates via the device.

Once you suffer this hidden corruption, it's pretty much all but impossible to ever get Maps working again, save for a FULL device format, and factory reset using the relevant two codes...
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Oh - and an EDIT, just to say despite your view it's only me, there are actually LOADS of people who have Ovi Maps 3.03 working on an N86, even including full Share integration, Facebook support, and even the digital compass working.

One of the regular bloggers even blogged about it, after I had managed it too, and he then did the same

Thanks for the caution - you are right, I know BTDTGTTS.

I wouldn't have asked if I could have found this easily - I'm probably up to 200 mobiles since 1989😊

andyspiers wrote:That's very good. Who did you ask and can we all do the same?

Do you follow Nokia UK in twitter or facebook?? The guy who handles Nokia's accounts in Mexico gave me the license. 😊